shield busters

[fpsdoug]

I own a total of 2 shieldbusters (which proves that they are NOT needed to win.. Some people seem to think they are..:dry:) and they are on a rarely-used ship, so I don't know.. Plus I've never used Debbies (don't like the projectile speed.) I own 2 Tizzys and an Inferno, so shutness.

I just thought I would reiterate on this point. You don't need shield busters, I only have one ship (Titan) besides bombers, with shield busters. All my others I use a Razor to bust shields.

[spec]

I compiled a list based on the weapon description info cards...

Link - Weapons based on factions

Debs are civilian...

i don't think each faction needs a shield buster. it possible to be successful without them. lets try not to water down the unique weapon differences some factions have.

some factions don't have access to shield busters. which i believe is a good thing. diversity makes things much more interesting.

I agree, not every faction should have best types for all weapons. Hope the next version of the mod addresses
this issue, each faction should be stronger in one or the other area...
A change in weapon balance will make a more balanced server (even though the statement sounds funny !)

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<span style="font-family:Century Gothic">Spec - Independent Trader</span>
Small Transport - Hauling without earning

Current Status: Inactive - Too Much Work and Travel

[globalplayer-svk]

hm, when i remember, del cid line, (shield buster) was the only advantage that corsais have, slower and massive ships (big targets) but shield busters as advantage. now is that advantage gone, and in next version with more and more shieldbuster it is total gone.i will not start a flame, but only point, that shieldbusters was somethign as satisfaction for slow and big ships.....

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[mjolnir]

I just thought I would reiterate on this point. You don't need shield busters, I only have one ship (Titan) besides bombers, with shield busters. All my others I use a Razor to bust shields.

Yeah... and what if you have a LF that can't mount a mini ? (like 99% of LFs in game). Agains fighters/bomber you don't have to have them yes...

but

Have you ever tried to pirate in a VHF without shielbusters? And even better with some guns that are weak against graviton shields? That's just about impossible... since you need the torp slot for CD. When I saw you pirate you were in a bomber with 4 Coladas....

So yeah let's remove shieldbusters and pirates will come only in bombers... or even better GBs.. helps.

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Igiss says: Martin, you give them a finger, they bite off your arm.

[Dab]

hm, when i remember, del cid line, (shield buster) was the only advantage that corsais have, slower and massive ships (big targets) but shield busters as advantage. now is that advantage gone, and in next version with more and more shieldbuster it is total gone.i will not start a flame, but only point, that shieldbusters was somethign as satisfaction for slow and big ships.....

Corsairs will keep this advantage to a point. Corsair busters will stay as more powerful and less energy usage per damage amount as the civ and pirate lines.

Yeah... and what if you have a LF that can't mount a mini ? (like 99% of LFs in game). Agains fighters/bomber you don't have to have them yes...

but

Have you ever tried to pirate in a VHF without shielbusters? And even better with some guns that are weak against graviton shields? That's just about impossible... since you need the torp slot for CD. When I saw you pirate you were in a bomber with 4 Coladas....

So yeah let's remove shieldbusters and pirates will come only in bombers... or even better GBs.. helps.

I feel I need to restate this.. My fighters.. One has tizonas, there are only 2 of them on it and none of my other ships have shieldbusters. That ship is NOT my pirate. Now, within those fighters I have an LF.. Its an LF with, god forbid, no shieldbusters. Now I've flown this LF in battle a long time ago against the SA/LSF (when AW was still allied to HF). It worked perfectly fine. I bagged one of the VHFs myself and did massive damage to the bomber who was finished off by our gunboat who arrived late.

Light fighters are not supposed to inflict heavy damage. Read this again and again and again until you understand it completely. Light fighters are meant to be used in large amounts (cheaper to build) and when the ability to avoid damage is more useful than the ability to sustain damage. VHFs are used for what their name is. Very Heavy. They are the firepower. They are the things you send in when you want something that has a lot of armor, dead. Light fighters are just that. Light. Light in every way. Firepower, armor, weight. If you want to fly an LF, make sure you do so in a group of LFs or as backup for VHFs. You guys want LFs that can inflict the same damage as a VHF while they fly much much faster. They are not meant to be used this way. You guys have disregarded the LF's original purpose in favor of 'I want the best I can get.' They are lightly armoured ships that can move very fast. Use them for that purpose, not uber-ships.

And VHFs against traders.. Now lets go back to what I mentioned earlier. One of my ships has shieldbusters. It is no one of my pirate characters. I have a total of 4 not counting my 3 Outcasts that are for defensive and offensive use only. 2 VHFs, 1 Bomber, and 1 GB. None with shieldbusters.. No Tizonas or Infernos on the fighters/bomber. No infernos on the GB.. Nothing but normal weaponry. My Bundschuh Sabre has 2 Kraken IIs and 4 Luger Ds. They chug my energy more than my OC setups of 6 Wyrm 2s. Do I downgrade to better weapons simply because I can? No, I stick with Bundschuh-made Lugers, energy leaches they are, because they are my faction's weapons. I have a Train CD on that Sabre. No Inferno, no Mini-razor. Occasionally a Sunslayer that were originally made and sold by the Bundschuh (vanilla they were on Bruchsal).
My GC VHF has 5 Disinfector 3s bought from Kyoto, with 1 Codename weapon. (Bloodstone) As well as a Train CD. No Inferno, no Mini-razor.
Do I pirate with these characters? Yes. Am I able to do so effectively? Yes. Do I get my targets 100% of the time? No. Are you supposed to be able to defeat any trader you ever cross paths with? No. You guys can pirate them as easily as I can, you simply can't get every one you go after. You want better weaps (shieldbusters) so you can get them all. There are more bombers, and I'll admit that I pirate in my bomber as well. A bomber without shieldbusters. No inferno, god forbid I have one. Just a CD, SN, and 4 codenames.
Traders deserve a chance as well. You guys want to be able to get any that cross your paths. Why do you think transport shields were upgraded for this version? No trader could ever get away from a pirate, no matter where the fight took place.. I've seen countless pirates try pirating roughly 10k from a base. They don't succeed so they go out and grab a couple codenames. Why? Because they didn't want to take the time to be a REAL pirate? Try some strategy rather than, where can I get the stuff that will make me win? I pirate aroudn 25k from a base, in the MIDDLE of a trade lane ring, or near a JG. With my oh-so-minimal and power-hungry loadout, I do just fine. Thats because I give myself enough space to get my mark before he can insta-dock somewhere. Try it people, you might find an alternative to HAVING to have the shieldbuster to win.



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I just thought I would reiterate on this point. You don't need shield busters, I only have one ship (Titan) besides bombers, with shield busters. All my others I use a Razor to bust shields.

I don't have much a choice here. You are the only Corsair not to complain that they need new busters.. Tizonas and Coladas apparently aren't enough (logic here?) for them. There are about 6-8 posts here about them complaining that they need new level 8 busters so they can make their LFs uber. I'm close to only making level 7 and 9 civ and pirate busters and leaving 8 blank, like the original game makers intended. The 'I need uber-LFs attitude is wearing thin.'

Good to see I'm not alone in the 'Busters aren't needed' club at least.

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[Dab]

(EDIT: Auto-merge didn't work.. Moving this to original post.)

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[Zelot]

Hey, not to sound like a noob, but is there anyway we could get the Cid line to have an actually graphic for it's projectiles?

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[Dab]

Hey, not to sound like a noob, but is there anyway we could get the Cid line to have an actually graphic for it's projectiles?

Votes when it was changed was to have them invisible. They started with graphics.

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[frozen]

i dont want this thread to turn into a personal war, and regardless of what certain people may say, that is whats it turning into.

if you cannot maturely discuss alternatives to a pirate-line for shield busters, in the most politest way you can imagine, im saying GTFO.

now, this isnt about how u can pirate with a full hullbuster dab, since you aint the full force of the community. there arent everyone that can rip up trader ships with a full hullbuster loadout (even though i can, im talking about the general community, not the select few who can)

this has been made into such a waste of space, when there was a simple suggestion made earlier.

keep the bloody imp debs Hacker, and lawfuls ONLY, and make the debs/adv debs availible to everyone.

HOW hard is it to do that? cuz the way i see it, ure making it way too complicated, dab. this suggestion WAS made to help solve the recent problems that happened. your making this into much more than that. dont.

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[fpsdoug]

Yeah... and what if you have a LF that can't mount a mini ? (like 99% of LFs in game). Agains fighters/bomber you don't have to have them yes...

but

Have you ever tried to pirate in a VHF without shielbusters? And even better with some guns that are weak against graviton shields? That's just about impossible... since you need the torp slot for CD. When I saw you pirate you were in a bomber with 4 Coladas....

So yeah let's remove shieldbusters and pirates will come only in bombers... or even better GBs.. helps.

I'm not saying remove busters. Obiously LFs need them and it's your choice to use them. I was just saying they are not ABSOLUTLEY necessary for VHFs. I don't even pirate in a VHF as it's just much easier to do it in a bomber so I have very little experience in the VHF pirating.