Bretonia Gunship

[Ursus]

Look how small the cockpit... It's like a 2-seater LF

I bet you could get the same effect by building a ship around Challenger body, rather than another one built around cap parts, as I said already. This thing is just a shrunken-head battleship

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[Pancakes]

Bretonia gunboat is fine as it is, if you don't know how to fly it properly don't blame the ship.

Also, the model look like you took the destroyer and shrank it, I kinda love the way each model has something unique about it.

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BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD

[FallenKnight]

Look how small the cockpit... It's like a 2-seater LF
I bet you could get the same effect by building a ship around Challenger body, rather than another one built around cap parts, as I said already.

The original picture is this (I made a low resolution)

The painters were "drawing" the bretonia destroyer by starting from the scratch. The first "capital ship" on the right side is the first "destroyer" but its so small and only operational with 2 men crew. Its still not a ship but a concept leading to the destroyer. Thats why, considering these "guidence" the creators of Fl left us in the concepts plus the ship design and its elements (bridge(not rdy yet), body(shell), engine(tail), weapon platform) - its logical that the ship concept is from the "cap" family instead of the "snubs".

The snubs concepts were the FOL classes (the red ones) here: Concepts

Bretonia gunboat is fine as it is, if you don't know how to fly it properly don't blame the ship.

Thank you for your oppinion but probably you missed the point and repeating it multiple times will definitely wont change anything but ... the gunboat "as it is" is fine for fighting other gunboats - confirmed by the bretonian community - but its lacking strength against snubs. The gunship is going to be opposite - lacking against gunboats, stronger against snubs. Thats the best way to solve the 'anti snub platform problem' and in more interesting way by adding something new to the faction that never receives anything.

Also, the model look like you took the destroyer and shrank it, I kinda love the way each model has something unique about it.

Arent these two similar: Battleship Carrier? Yes they are but thats why they are unique cuz they are following one ship line properly.

To have similar ships is not bad and check this - comparison between all bretonia caps. They look fine, similar and yet different/unique. From this comparison you can see how different the gunship is next to the destroyer. The only similar thing and also most obvious is the - weapon platform, which is standart bretonian ship tool.

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[Pancakes]

The original picture is this (I made a low resolution)

Thank you for your oppinion but probably you missed the point and repeating it multiple times will definitely wont change anything but ... the gunboat "as it is" is fine for fighting other gunboats - confirmed by the bretonian community - but its lacking strength against snubs. The gunship is going to be opposite - lacking against gunboats, stronger against snubs. Thats the best way to solve the 'anti snub platform problem' and in more interesting way by adding something new to the faction that never receives anything.

ROFL.

Same way Templar is a bad ship, right FallenKnight?

In all due respect, BAF| is the last faction that should comment on the way things are good or bad in pvp.
Bretonian gunboat is pretty damn fine, trust me on that.

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BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD

[FallenKnight]

Same way Templar is a bad ship, right FallenKnight?

Hm? Is that a way to turn the thread in to "templar balance" ? If no then why you stated it? Where exactly did I said something about that in the things you quoted? My point was, during so many updates for years its clear that due to the lack of dev/modder on bretonia side - bretonia receive nothing. Now there is a chance to receive something.
As for the balance of the ships - not my concern.

Bretonian gunboat is pretty damn fine, trust me on that.

Then just vote for No and use the bret gunboat primary. No need for further complications. If you dont like it - you dont like it.

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[Pancakes]

Hm? Is that a way to turn the thread in to "templar balance" ? If no then why you stated it? Where exactly did I said something about that in the things you quoted? My point was, during so many updates for years its clear that due to the lack of dev/modder on bretonia side - bretonia receive nothing. Now there is a chance to receive something.
As for the balance of the ships - not my concern.
Then just vote for No and use the bret gunboat primary. No need for further complications. If you dont like it - you dont like it.

I don't mind Bretonians getting stuff, I do mind when the reason for it is: "Our stuff are bad" and FallenKnight, give me a break you are one of those who wouldn't stop crying about how templar is a bad ship, how Challenger is a bad ship and now you moved to Bretonian GB. This attitude from you existing for long, long time. But if you wish to hear the harsh truth - there is nothing wrong in Bretonian equipment.

Your bomber is designed to tear up heavy stuff, and what a wonder - both mollies and GRN (2 of your main enemies)
use heavy capital ships!

Your VHF is pretty damn good, and so are the guns. (Plus the fact that if you don't like them you can always use flashpoints which are also quite good).

Your gunboat is RIP AND TEAR for other gunboats, and a bit more effort for fighters/bombers, yet with its core and arcs and TS it's also good at that, not excellent - but good.

Destroyer - quite lacking ship against other destroyers and smaller craft, but can hold its ground against both Scylla and Obstinate, very good against Battleships, especially the heavy kind (someone said Valor?)

BS - the cherry. One of the best battleships in the game, maybe even the best.

So no, BAF don't need new stuff, especially not a gunboat - if anything their HF which is completely lacking. (Though a small change in stats can fix that).


As for the model, I personally don't like it being the same as the Destroyer but again personal opinion. (Also doesn't look much like a light GB btw)

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BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD

[FallenKnight]

@Pancakes, your statments are wrong. I never said the templar was bad neither the challenger which is one of the best bombers, nor the destroyer or the battleship. If you dont belive me - go ahead and ask all in BAF whats my primary ship and you will find the answer is the Templar.

I clearly see that you've noticed my pressure on talking about bretonian equipments but thats only because I, as current leader of BAF, am posting proposals considering the oppinions of the entire faction and most of the indies I had talk with.
All i said about the Templar was that most of the new people and most of the veterans dont like it, that doesnt mean its bad (Do you know Igor's primary ship in BAF? - Eagle. He said the templar is not of his kind - that is the 60% behaviour from most of the players that want to join BAF - they dont like it - so I will report it somehow, being by requesting lighter VHF or just talking about it)

Nothing else to say about other ships or equipments but the gunboat contains a lot of issues that were reported during the years not by few players but by many.

Now lets turn this thread in to the feedback of the bretonia gunship instead of a faction feedback.

-The main image of post 1 has been updated with new textures and platform fix.

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[Hidamari]

Regardless of all the bollocks being thrown around in here, a new ship for a massively unloved shipline is a good thing, Bretonian resources are limited nay exstinguished almost, Bretonia need to start building lighter craft.. this is the answer to that need.

Necessity is the mother of invention.

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[Hone]

[22:40:03] Hone Nathan: I dont like it cos its got the full bottom connectors
[22:40:16] Hone Nathan: its supposed to get more as they get bigger
[22:40:29] Hone Nathan: this should have less than the GB

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[Zukeenee]

Skeletal and creepy. Poor texture job. I'd rather not see this particular model in-game.

Seriously, this thing scares me. In a bad way. Just looking at it is giving me the shivers.

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