People's main problem with The Judges.

[Haste]

From our point of view this was organized harassment.

And that's where you antagonize the entire community. I was flying Hammurabi, and yes, once I saw you fly around in New London, I decided to see what you'd do in response to some Marduk mind-games.

You fled. That's quite sane. I managed to place myself pretty much right on top of a jumphole and -gate I'd predicted you'd head for. You fled in the opposite direction again. Cool. We managed to block that off too through sheer numbers and a wee bit of planning. You went the opposite direction, and docked.

Really, I can't quite say I fully support Duvelske here - I don't view this as poor RP per se. However, I'd definitely have enjoyed a bit of a roleplaying session beyond simply chasing you around.

Still, I had fun. Particularly when I managed to predict your route to the jumphole and beat you to it using the lanes. Never underestimate the speed of a Nomad Battleship 8). Your response was, at the very least, far more logical than the "Kill me, Nomad, I'll respawn anyways" approach quite a few people seem to be fond of.

K'Hara can openly engage, but for anyone who's played the Singleplayer campaign: Nomads' main weapon is cloak&dagger, not open engagement. Even if in Disco lore that's not entirely true anymore, we (or at least I) still spend a fair amount of time simply "talking" to people, "manipulating" them and throwing strange, confusing visions in their general direction.

In a fighter there was no way I could've stopped you using my battleship's nonexistant cruise disruptor. You could've seen what I wanted at a nice and safe 5k distance.

Either way, the one thing I mostly wanted to get at: even if we'd have engaged, there's no reason to call it "harassment". K'Hara do kill people from time to time, and they're generally not very biased about who it is they shoot. By assuming this was a set-up against you to piss off you as a real-life, human being, you're jumping to (wrong) conclusions.

[sindroms]

In response to the above, i was present for that little attack. Not at the start of course, but i was called to assist defend our people from a Gunboat and Bomber, one of which was you.

Nice to know, I am sure you will then be fully able to describe the situation of which you were a part of in the late half.

We did NOT request any support from your Gunboat and after the fight the parties involved promptly spilled trash talk all over the system channel- All you were doing here was creating a bad image on yourself.

When I jumped into Keplar, the fight was between supreme judge whatshisface and that other guy and the Xeno. My line was, quote, "Do you need help?". It was one of the judges who were first to reply with a "yes". After I saw that you were already making the Xeno flee from you AND wanted even more help, I decided I do not like you after all and sided with the xeno to smack you up a bit. My choice entirely.

The bomber attacking us, interestingly enough had Armor Upgrade 8, and the LABC was called due to the fact two fighters after one of us was shot down, cant handle a gunboat and you know it. I dont see the problem with us calling for support when we needed it. However i really find it amusing the many lies i found in your post, trying to make yourself look better perhaps? -Just what i think.

I am hardly the person who needs to try making myself look better sir. As for the LABC, he was in Colorado around the time I was moving to Kusari, because I remember checking the chat to see if there were some bounty contracts there before I went to Kusari.

Granted, there was a [HF] taggeg ship in the system, so the LABC might have been there for him instead, I do not know. To me, however, it seems that after Logan died (Now I remember the name). You decided to pull everyone into Keplar to dispose of us. I am not implying that is bad, I would have done so in your place, but whining about a gunboat joining the party after you were already winning and had the nerve to ask for help before I joined the Xeno, then whining about it here makes me amused.

And now, i have a few questions for you, What do you have against the Judges, Why you make a big deal over everything then post it in this thread, and why you take such interest in posting Negative comments, and never positive ones?.

Because, dude, you ASKED for these comments. The opening posts asks what did the Judges do to earn hate on our server and I decided to answer. I posted negative comments, because you ASKED for them to be posted.
If you want to get good comments, make a subsection in the appropriate forum and call it "Judge-Kudos thread".

As for my supposed hate for Judges, I can explain. Before I made Miffon, I have never had any interaction with your guys. Before you reported my character for not giving enough roleplay (If it passed, it means I did in fact not give enough RP and for that I apologize, but you must agree that watching two of your guys sitting close to each other was too tempting 8|), I nuked enough people around Manhattan. The Judges, however, were the only ones to whine about the unfairness of it all and never left the system, even after I asked about that in PM.

After that experience, I decided that your group views the rules only when they are in your favor (I do as well, but I digress), and for that, if I do get into a group fight which involves your guys, I decided that I will join the other side just out of spite.

Really, enlighten me, the statements you've posted DONT help and in my opinion i doubt they intended to be helpful, however do be aware of the fact, any SERIOUS points will be taken into consideration to improve the interaction you may have with the Judges.

I did have serious points. Re read the post I made about that encounter.
During this reply, I really TRY to tone down my personal repulsion I currently have against your group, but you are really making it hard.

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[Tyler]

My main problem was the continued "hacking" done by Logan and other people from the Judges into secure transmissions from and directed to OTHER people then the Judges. I remember in the faction official request post someone (Hasteric?) and me explaining to Logan that a post he mode into something about the BDM or RM was invalid. He apologized, saying it wouldn't happen again, only it did happen the very same day, if I recall correctly. Or the day after. Anyway, it led to me not giving a rats behind anymore about your group. Just me knowing I don't want to see you guys becoming official at all, atleast, not with the Judges. I think this has failed too much and I think you're better off creating something else, taking in account ALL that has been said by everyone. My suggestions, either rework the faction completely, as said earlier, don't retcon yourself, or create a new faction that actually does fit within Disco RP and lore.

I don't hold a grudge personally, I hardly ever do, negative emotions are a waste in my opinion. I've just gave up hope for the faction and several members. And those replies saying you're all well behaving when replying and such... Not so much. I tend to keep out of these sort of discussions and such, but let me just say I've noticed a lot of border-line aggressive replies from Judge players towards the community. Might want to tone it down and act respectfully, this said, I do want to see this behaviour reflected by the rest of the community too, so not just you, Judges, but the others that scrounge the forums too. Did notice a lot of people in this thread really make a effort being as 'friendly' or emotionally distant, you might want to take that in account when you keep saying you're being treated wrong and such.

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[AeternusDoleo]

Personally, I've never even met those judges in the time I have been on Disco. Might be because I mainly play Corsair and IMG, so I don't visit Liberty much.

Skimming this topic I get the impresson the Judges are more or less a vigilante force, but one that is quite passive. It might be good for you guys to get yourself into a regular beehive like the Taus or the Omegas, where a bunch of vigilantes would have ample targets to pew. Granted, if you're not that good in pewing you'll be blowing up a lot, but that's all part of the game.

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Mostly retired Discovery member. May still visit from time to time.

[Judge Logan]

In a fighter there was no way I could've stopped you using my battleship's nonexistant cruise disruptor. You could've seen what I wanted at a nice and safe 5k distance.

Either way, the one thing I mostly wanted to get at: even if we'd have engaged, there's no reason to call it "harassment". K'Hara do kill people from time to time, and they're generally not very biased about who it is they shoot. By assuming this was a set-up against you to piss off you as a real-life, human being, you're jumping to (wrong) conclusions.


You are right Hasteric, but you leave out the part about a K'Hara Squadron being present. One ship we could talk with. Multiple ships hunting us meant only one thing to us. Perhaps "harrassment" was to strong a term. You think of another term for multiple battleships hunting down and trying "Isolate" two fighters. Those two judge ships must be "Very" important for multiple K'Hara ships to travel so far to "RP" with. Would the term RP even work with that? Be honest here with yourself if not me. Rolls reversed, what would you honestly call it?

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[Apollon]

Well i am an EX Judge..my problem is that Judges stick to TS..doesnt always communicate with others...and judges arent libretonians or something....so just dont stick yo Newark or hattan...but well you visit New london..thats good but why not visit new Tokyo...New Berlin....new Paris...or something..visit Omicrons...well you know what i mean.....
~Ghost

[Ash]

Well, from what I've seen throughout this discussion I can say my opinion of the Judges has definitely lowered.

Constructive criticism, however backhanded it may be, is only constructive if you don't argue with or deny any opinions put forward.

This topic is going downhill, i'm out.

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[Haste]

You are right Hasteric, but you leave out the part about a K'Hara Squadron being present. One ship we could talk with. Multiple ships hunting us meant only one thing to us. Perhaps "harrassment" was to strong a term. You think of another term for multiple battleships hunting down and trying "Isolate" two fighters. Those two judge ships must be "Very" important for multiple K'Hara ships to travel so far to "RP" with. Would the term RP even work with that? Be honest here with yourself if not me. Rolls reversed, what would you honestly call it?

Actually, there's a Wilde system fairly close to Cambridge, and those K'Hara ships were already heading towards Cambridge before I even grouped with them to see if we could trap you and, essentially, force you to roleplay. Cambridge is actually a good place to get interaction with a variety of factions - BPA, BAF, miners from the Omegas (IMG and other factions). It wasn't quite as planned as you might wish to think.

And yes, the term RP works just fine. Perhaps the K'Hara, as alien as they are, were genuinely interested in exactly what those Judges are and whether they're: potential spies, potential enemies, a nuisance or "none of the above"? There hasn't been any real K'Hara - Judge interaction, and I was simply curious what'd come of it.

Generally, superior force is actually the way to get roleplay. If your opponent knows they stand no chance and you manage to get them "trapped" somewhere, their only real option is to either run or try to "talk" their way out of it. That's why we took the approach we did.

I'd like to note that I don't think you really did anything wrong, although logging a ship systems away is, in a sense, a little odd - how'd you get there so fast *in roleplay*?

[St.Denis]

Personally, I've never even met those judges in the time I have been on Disco. Might be because I mainly play Corsair and IMG, so I don't visit Liberty much.

Skimming this topic I get the impresson the Judges are more or less a vigilante force, but one that is quite passive. It might be good for you guys to get yourself into a regular beehive like the Taus or the Omegas, where a bunch of vigilantes would have ample targets to pew. Granted, if you're not that good in pewing you'll be blowing up a lot, but that's all part of the game.

A vigilante (pron.: /ˌvɪdʒɪˈlænti/, /ˌvɪdʒɪˈlænteɪ/; Spanish: [bixiˈlante]; Portuguese: [viʒiˈlɐ̃t(ɨ)], [viʒiˈlɐ̃tʃi]) is an individual or group who undertakes law enforcement without legal authority and/or illegal authority.

Batman is classed as a Vigilante. Charles Bronson in the Death Wish series was a Vigilante. We have never acted or intended to act as Vigilantes. We used to engage only if were attacked first or somebody asked for our help. We were called Vigilantes. It was suggested by a few people that in order for us to 'interact' with the rest of the server that we should join up to some Bounty Boards. We have done this and we are now being called Vigilantes again. Interesting how you can never please everybody.

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[Agmen of Eladesor]

. K'Hara RP has only one result, and we did not wish to oblige them. Note: No PM or previous communicatiohn was set up for us from them. They just showed and closed. Yes we logged off and re-logged in NY. This is not a violation of anything. From our point of view this was organized harassment.

And that single comment right there shows that you actually don't understand the K'Hara at all. Even though I was NOT part of this 'harassment' squad, I wander around frequently seeking weak-minded humans to subvert and convert. The K'Hara, as the original residents of Sirius, are justifiably curious as to these hard shelled yet tasty inside pink apes that are infesting our home worse than roaches in a New York tenement.

No one said that anything has to be set up in advance - that's called ad libbing role play, and is the most fun of all.

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Oh god... The end of days... Agmen agreed with me.