It would seem that my conduct in confusing the LSF has earned our organization many demerits, which shames me.
How to answer so many complaints is enough to make the mind spin.
1) Hostility to the Navy: Occasionally shooting too many of one kind of NPC can cause another type to lose interest in you. The LN was at the border of red for me, something I corrected by shooting your battleship with a CD.
But I am not surprised that such evaded your awareness, for your concentration was very much so on sending me PMs demanding that I stop attacking you as you fled me to dock.
2) Achieving close scans of various bases within Liberty space, and then conducting a quick escape, is best done via use of tradelanes. Confusing you within those tradelanes is a viable way by which to test the methods by which you respond to my tactics while scanning the ships that are pursuing me. Your failure to adapt despite multiple opportunities is not my concern.
3) Docking with the Xeno base: When I docked with Ouray, for simple purposes of mapping it, I had one non-faction LSF pilot 4k behind me who issued a "die order scum" to your delight. You were doubtless some unknown distance away attempting to untangle a means by which to chase me. I was hardly cornered, as observed by the ease of my escape upon undocking.
4) As to assisting an Outcast vessel: Karlotta, another Order pilot in the area (And with whom I had much fun flying, as I meant to express at earliest opportunity) had identified your vessel as being a high possibility of infection, given accounts of your conduct, nomadic weaponry and large array of prisoners in your hold. Acting upon that intelligence I returned from Texas to aid Karlotta in engaging you, at which point you issued a flurry of PMs and retreated to dock and log off.
Furthermore, Jack_Sparrow was an Order pilot. Assisting him is both logical and proper.
I am disappointed with this return of opinions from you. Furthermore the admonishing that you levied via your Bs| pilot was not appreciated nor in good form. I suspect that should I have simply been killed by yourself or the posse of vessels that you eventually assembled to destroy me that this feedback should never have been posted.
While I am in a position where I must defend the name of our group, your grievance was with one pilot. In the future I would ask that you address such concerns to the individual or to the leader.
// sorry for the oorp and if its in the wrong place please point it out and Ill remove this part of the post (if lsf-order rule discussion isnt oorp). I often get the feeling that people who want to be the biggest alpha dogs in the house use their 'knowledge of server rules' a bit too much to settle scores when they just had a losing experience.:rtfm:
RP should be fun and not a tool for territorial pissings. We make an effort into putting LSF using nomad guns and ignoring Outcasts when convenient into a RP context, without shouting 'rule breaker' anywhere. 42|Hapy made a fool of you, I dont think order docking at a xeno base or simply not dying when you want him to breaks any sensible rule. He didnt f1 out while interacting with other players either, unlike other people. If the Liberty police is weaker than you want it to be, put more effort into recruiting, training, command structure, finding aliies, and less effort into making up server-rule violations. Briefly, please be fair and dont be sore when you dont win.
***Clandestine transmission from unknow source***
Children of Liberty
See the loss
See the infestation
The nomad pawn LSF Tiberius--------------------
------ has succumbed to the weapons he adores.
Friends of Karlotta have identified him -----------
---------carrying nomad weapons of murder------
unfortunate souls -----------------------------------
--------------------Liberty admiralty --------------
----------captains-----------------------------------
-------------------------------officers ---------------
---our husbands------------------------------------
------------------- fathers---------------------------
----------------------------------brothers-----------
// I'm not gonna sit by here and let me be insulted...
1) - That is besides the point Simon, If your a Liberty Rogue and you shoot to much Xenos - Your still gonna get flack for attacking the Navy near one of their bases and not getting shot at...
Moreso, blowing that our of proportion was not necessary into proving your 'superiority' after you where within 500m of the Missouri and not a SINGLE Turret turned to fire at you I yelled at you STOP as I docked and told you off... I said nothing as you chased me the 12-15K to the Missouri...
Apparently you corrected that after I docked... Otherwise you would be Space dust.
3) What purpose would you have bringing a Bomber to Fort Bush to make a few 'scans' of it?
If you where going to do reconnaissance right next to Fort Bush, Planet Denver, heck even a Navy Dreadnought, you could have just went in with civvies... That's like wearing a A.C.U. with a U.S Army logo on it into North Korea to spy... On a public place.
Sure there's the fact that "What good is it then if nobody else is there to RP with?"
I've seen plenty of people actually do that and still manage to drop some suspicion to atleast catch the eye of Liberty Lawfuls... And then play it out from there...
3) When you docked at Ouray I was within 2-K of you and closing, Moreso even for the PURPOSES of mapping it - And from what I gather your understanding with the Xenos... I believe even the Rogues or JUNKERS for that matter would be happy if you lead them right towards to their base and docked in plain sight.
Thankfully Ouray is semi-mobile, I don't think that a 10-20 thrust would still save it from Incoming Naval Fleet or two...
4) Ah yes that does seem rather reasonable - But from the own things you gave me "I trust the Order's caution with Nomadic Entities"
One must remember that the LSF was founded by the Order as a means so that the Order can make sure their job in the Liberty Backstory can be semi-autonomously done... And they still will probably have full access to any of the LSF's logs... And to some extent Liberty Navy.
The Order would have easily had complete access to any of those logs - Including all the specs of Nomadic Prototype's... All the Order would have to do is take a look at that...
While most of what I said is a bit complex and I can understand that most pilots of the Order wouldn't go that deep... One can still reasonably take a gander that the LSF wouldn't give that out if it wasn't safe... - And if I was RPing as infested there would be a Special Characters thread for that. And while it can be taken as reasonably in Roleplay that the character has a 'chance' of being infested - Look at most Order Vessels... I've seen Osiris's passing by with maybe 5+ Superior Nomad Brains and dozens of Minors+Regular Brains...
RP-Wise 5 Superior Brains would probably just drive the crew mad, seeing as people RP some of the Keepers messing with their heads...
Maybe I'm not looking at the bigger picture of all that...
Meanwhile...
You had the 'goon swarm' after you - If you really wanted to see what our reaction time would be a simple training exercise or pulling our file would suffice...
Heck even Spying on us in our daily work would have easily done Recon...
Would you see a regular Recon actually doing that in real life? To check the enemies response times? Like hell anyone would use themselves as bait for the enemy to see how long it takes for a nibble...
And yes Sparrow was engaged, and assisting him does prove to be a logical point...
But at that point, Sparrow wasn't even being fired upon - Everyone was bashing the Falcata or the Gunboat...
If Sparrow came to do recon too or pass through to complete some other mission he probably could've just used the presence of the Outcasts (Whom somebody alerted them we where at Zone-21) to slip on by...
And that may just be a bit to critical... *shrug*
As a matter of fact Young - That would depend on the time you where killed - Had we managed to bag you there before you could do anything
*Glares at Crash* there would not be a feedback that would be negative - I might've made a neutral or positive feedback or none at all... Considering a simple fight wouldn't aggravate me as much as your wild-goose chase.
And just a thing that sprocket-ed my mind - If you where taking reaction times... Then wouldn't that mean that the 42nd or The Order is planning some type of Raid or Mission, soon?
I doubt a Military Force would want to check reaction times as standard recon...
Well Simon - With that Individual Thing... Most of the Feedback here has been based off of encounters with one person - namely you...
Whom looking at recent sightings of 42nd and posts made by other people... It seems to be mostly you whom they give feedback on and give you a thumbs up - If you would like me to save my negative feedback for when the faction itself is sorta dingy... Then I would presume that everyone else should too so their feedback is "100% Accurate"
I did nothing but ask you questions on Gibbs... Some of which you answered twice with different answers...
Now for Karlotta...
And seeing as you have taken a rather blunt approach against me...
On contrary I haven't even said ANY single thing that says or even remotely says against the rules... or "OMIGAWSH RULEBREAKER!"
So being so blunt as I may...
How dare you accuse me of making up/stretching the server rules!
And in your own words - "without shouting 'rule breaker' anywhere."
I have done that - You can refer to the messages I've made... Dissect those for "rule breaker' and come back.
Kurosora Sattarae's signature fits this alot actually... Being so blunt.
Is that F1 thing supposed to refer to Me? Or the LSF? Or the Liberty Enforcement in General?
And yes - WALL OF TEXT!!
Tiberius Walker, putting flames out and being awesome since Apr 13 2008 ™
[8/17/2008 5:56:46 PM] Aaron (Boss/Jurgen) says: Can't bring myself to say it... Looks like you get the LABC, I've seen what you can do in one
Walker (Albert Wint): I can has win? --- Epyon the Bored: You can haz win. --- [1:18:00 PM] Chris (Niezck) says: I love you <3
[5:55:53 PM] Raisu says: Walker pwned both Battleships(LNS-Texas LNS-Arizona) - [5:55:57 PM] Raisu says: in a cruiser Tiberius Walker, spreading mayhem, destruction, and Spamming Flood since Oct 22 2008 ™
[9:08:25 AM] Gurjiv (Frozen) says: I hope someone gives you AIDs.
[7:15:17 PM] Dylan (Ximen) says: Walker... you have no idea how much fail you bring into this world...
[8:05:08 AM] Ross (SevereTrinity) says: Screw you for making me install FL again
[10:51IE AM] Epyon the Bored says: My god if I ever meet you I am going to strangle you. Tiberius Walker, being better then you since April 30, 2009 â¢
We will remember - We do not Forget - We do not Forgive
' Wrote:I doubt a Military Force would want to check reaction times as standard recon...
Not going to bother with the rest of me, it's not directed at me, but IRL, response times are an extremely important part of military recon. Mostly, we figure it out by watching the respone to things that aren't us, but if there's nothing else to react to...
We then use than infomation to decide how best to take you apart before you can muster heavy weapons, set up defences, and respond to large-scale threats in an individual area, and how much you weaken your other defences by doing so. And sometimes, that involves getting shot at yourself.
Jack Handey Wrote:I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it.
// I apologize to Walker, as my post indeed has a more agressive tone towards him personaly than it was actually intended. With 'shouting rule breaker' I mean the mention of docking at a xeno base as something... low... and generally complaining that someone isnt RPing in the right way because you dont like their strategy, weapons, ships, etc. Most of the time that complaining is used to keep a tactical advantage in the game. I didnt post that only because of you Walker but becasue I think thats a problem in general, although you took the load here because you were... well... kinda insulting to Simon also. With f1ing out I meant you left without announcing it while I was talking to you or rather about you in RP. I have no problem with it casue it gave me a nice propaganda issue and wouldnt have mentioned it if you hadnt posted something... aggressive... here. Again I apologize that this thread has turned very aggressive against Walker in particular and I played a part in it, but you started out on that tone. I mentioned it as a counterweight to what you said against someone else, not as something I reprimand ingame or in a post otherwise. I have seen in the game you generally behave well towards people, better than most. Consider the ingame propaganda against you RP and not personal. Its linked to the use of nomad weapons by liberty forces, the lpi not intervening against an outcast on one occasion, and the fact that my character has lost her mind. I apologize again and hope I dont take the fun out of the game.
//Getting caught coming in with said ship doesn't work out all to well... Especially with Order weapons I think... Didn't you have Reapers?
We would've shot him anyways for intruding at Zone-21.
But even so... I'm moreso saying that - If the RM had seen a LSF ID'd LSF IFF in Rheinland flying an Eagle - They'd blast it. And while that seems to just be incredibly like "Oh C'mon!" and is a bit like Shoot first ask questions later... While it is bad - Most other people generally tend to do it...
Koolmo by standard recon I mean...
An Order spy in Wilde space - He would report on movements so the Order would know what they are up to...
Whereas Reaction Times can drastically change in a short time - What good would it be having a standard recon check that if your not gonna strike said area soon?
That was more of a statement then a rebutal - Infact it was more of a question... The one in my wall of text.
Karlotta - When was this talk that I exited out from?
And yes - Mostly people generally do take it to be bad-sport to dock at a Unlawful Base, while being chased by lawfuls...
Tiberius Walker, putting flames out and being awesome since Apr 13 2008 ™
[8/17/2008 5:56:46 PM] Aaron (Boss/Jurgen) says: Can't bring myself to say it... Looks like you get the LABC, I've seen what you can do in one
Walker (Albert Wint): I can has win? --- Epyon the Bored: You can haz win. --- [1:18:00 PM] Chris (Niezck) says: I love you <3
[5:55:53 PM] Raisu says: Walker pwned both Battleships(LNS-Texas LNS-Arizona) - [5:55:57 PM] Raisu says: in a cruiser Tiberius Walker, spreading mayhem, destruction, and Spamming Flood since Oct 22 2008 ™
[9:08:25 AM] Gurjiv (Frozen) says: I hope someone gives you AIDs.
[7:15:17 PM] Dylan (Ximen) says: Walker... you have no idea how much fail you bring into this world...
[8:05:08 AM] Ross (SevereTrinity) says: Screw you for making me install FL again
[10:51IE AM] Epyon the Bored says: My god if I ever meet you I am going to strangle you. Tiberius Walker, being better then you since April 30, 2009 â¢
We will remember - We do not Forget - We do not Forgive
// What I meant to say is that we can critisize each other about docking and running and disrupting and saying our role play sucks to infinity. There will be no end to it until everyone just sits in his home system and does nothing. I came in and started talking in system chat about your nomad weapons and prisoner in hold (in rp, not as an accusation of rule violation), and you departed without answering. Not an offense in my eyes, it was jsut a rebutal to make the point that we can continue this for ever if we choose to do so.
It has been decided, amongst our ranks, that Walker is very much so correct in that we should not do the things that he has said it is we should not be doing.
So, as it was decided that instead of flying 200 k above the horizon so as to not be seen by other pilots, we are to completely change our faction to encompass new goals.
We will now be known as the 42nd Order Rangers. Who will be performing similar recon work, but also at times we will be doing things that include those activities for which we have previously been condemned.
Some might detect no difference in the manner by which we conduct ourselves, but I assure you that the differences are many and very profound.
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