BH gunboats PLEASE

[Guest]

For the love of GOD.




Alright listen up people. When you mount missiles, you give the person who is shooting at you something to fix on and hit before your ship, the single fact that you lost is that you both had missiles equipped. The missiles make the enemies turrets lock on them, thus focusing the turret fire in that point, so you do not get hit, the the first fire kills the missiles, but the second flies around you in a cone like manner, the THIRD shot will hit, but can be easally outstrafed. THAT is how you SOLO an OSIRIS in a friggin Rogue GB. Want to do a REAL test?

Mount all basic turrets, stand infornt of each other and shoot.
Enough said.


PS Cor GB will win. But if a GS is played right, it can be a DEADLY weapon *points at LH GS*

[mielric]

For the love of GOD.
Alright listen up people. When you mount missiles, you give the person who is shooting at you something to fix on and hit before your ship, the single fact that you lost is that you both had missiles equipped. The missiles make the enemies turrets lock on them, thus focusing the turret fire in that point, so you do not get hit, the the first fire kills the missiles, but the second flies around you in a cone like manner, the THIRD shot will hit, but can be easally outstrafed. THAT is how you SOLO an OSIRIS in a friggin Rogue GB. Want to do a REAL test?

Mount all basic turrets, stand infornt of each other and shoot.
Enough said.
PS Cor GB will win. But if a GS is played right, it can be a DEADLY weapon *points at LH GS*

Yea sure, Im on now.

[NonSequitor]

@Erik: Be happy that you are privileged to pilot the M26.

That thing is basically a mini-destroyer. It can solo other gbs with relative ease. In pairs it can take on most larger capships. And it can perform anti-fighter tasks - with the right setup.

If I were you, I wouldn't get too uptight with the BH gs. In 4.85 it will be utterly and totally useless against other capships - including gunboats. Nor will the new Orca BH gunboat be too difficult an opponent. It turns at roughly the same rate as the M26, has 1 front gun (refire 1.0, projectile speed 550 m/s) and 5 forward firing turrets. Oh, and the topside-bottomside profile will make for a nice bulls eye for your 8 turrets.

So stop complaining and learn to pilot your mini-destroyer.

[Athenian]

I have, and like I said if you follow me, for this ship, it has nothing to do with skill.
Don't deny you're having it quite easy now, so mentioning skill to someone else isn't worth much here.

I do this experiement every time I see one to report:

In a straight line fight, under full gunboat firepower, the Gunship should die FAST. *PERIOD*
Why have the Gunboats class to begin with if Gunships can tank in just as much firepower?
(If not more considering agility...)

Im considering going BH for a while before 4.85 happens and then screaming on the forums about changes to the Gunship, and many would agree with on this one then...yea...

Sorry, but skill has a lot to do with it. Having it easy? What do you mean having it easy? A few titans and a bomber or two can make mincemeat of the gunship. And any other gunboat piloted by a half decent pilot will chew it up as well.

The gunship doesn't have as much firepower. Check the number of turrets you can mount. Are you sure you had a proper selection of turrets that would balance energy use versus damage?

Edit: A note, a whole lot of corsairs complaining about the Gunship is not going to achieve anything. In fact, the development team has probably balanced the ship for 4.85 anyway. So, in the mean time, you should improve your own flying skills in preparation for the new ships. Time spent complaining about a particular ship could be used to train against the ship (and others).

Corsair players complaining about things has achieved a lot, not all of it good. Much of that complaining has been sour grapes and poor sportsmanship. And some of it has been pretty justified, based on the kind of nonsense I've seen out in the Edge Worlds.

@Erik: Be happy that you are privileged to pilot the M26.

That thing is basically a mini-destroyer. It can solo other gbs with relative ease. In pairs it can take on most larger capships. And it can perform anti-fighter tasks - with the right setup.

If I were you, I wouldn't get too uptight with the BH gs. In 4.85 it will be utterly and totally useless against other capships - including gunboats. Nor will the new Orca BH gunboat be too difficult an opponent. It turns at roughly the same rate as the M26, has 1 front gun (refire 1.0, projectile speed 550 m/s) and 5 forward firing turrets. Oh, and the topside-bottomside profile will make for a nice bulls eye for your 8 turrets.

So stop complaining and learn to pilot your mini-destroyer.

The M26 has a serious flaw - its engines emit a toxic gas that causes delusions of grandeur and misguided notions of invulnerability.

Front guns? I'd rather throw my shoe at an enemy.

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[mielric]

Sorry, but skill has a lot to do with it. Having it easy? What do you mean having it easy? A few titans and a bomber or two can make mincemeat of the gunship. And any other gunboat piloted by a half decent pilot will chew it up as well.

The gunship doesn't have as much firepower. Check the number of turrets you can mount. Are you sure you had a proper selection of turrets that would balance energy use versus damage?
Corsair players complaining about things has achieved a lot, not all of it good. Much of that complaining has been sour grapes and poor sportsmanship. And some of it has been pretty justified, based on the kind of nonsense I've seen out in the Edge Worlds.
The M26 has a serious flaw - its engines emit a toxic gas that causes delusions of grandeur and misguided notions of invulnerability.

Front guns? I'd rather throw my shoe at an enemy.

Look here bro, I'll stop all this complaining if one of you ingame gets willing to show me those things.
Cheers

[Jinx]

balance is not equilibrium and not fairness. - balance means that what you use fits into what your faction is supposed to have.

when you complain about balance in terms of stats....

is it balanced to have lvl9 guns like that?

258 damage, 5.33 refire, 750 speed, 72 poweruse ( optimal ship: eagle - 10400 power )

vs.

556 damage, 4.00 refire, 700 speed, 126 poweruse ( optimal ship: sabre - 11400 power )

and you haven t seen many ppl complain about this - cause that is balance, too. the one faction is simply not supposed to have more advanced gear. - the other faction has better ships and weapons. - reason for that can be found in the lore of the factions roles.

with that in mind - base all balance onto the factions lore. - once you understand what the corsairs are, how they came into being - what they achieved and what they are capable of - and then compare it to who the BHG are, how they came into being and what they are capable of.

and when it THEN turns out that they are 100% identical - then we can talk about trying to make things "the same".

the BHG is not the corsairs, their ships are not meant to be the same - for all we know they could be twice as good - or twice as bad. - and for that... one should be grateful that the faction gear is still "pretty fair".

be glad that you HAVE a gunboat at all ( as much as a BHG can be glad to have one at all )

balancing stuff means that we try to achieve a fair learning curve with ships. - its boring to master a ship from the very start - and more satisfying to feel / experience that you actually become better.

balance is when an ACE pilot defeats a first timer - but the first timer learns in the process - and has fun doing so.

other than that - a BHG gunship is a BHG gunship - not a corsair gunship. - comparing them is like comparing cucumber with apples - they re both plants... but thats about it.


edit: nerf it is a very dangerous thing to say / do for it can be applied both ways....

next time a junker complains that their warren bomber is worse than the praetorian - if we d give in nerfing for the corsairs good compared to the BHG - should we give in to the junkers complaints to make the praetorian as bad as the warren? - i think not. they re both bombers.... but they re meant to be different .

edit2: either way - the BHG gunship is good - it stays good and i shot down Doom in a bomber on the test server !!! ( ok, he was afk and not moving... but even so )

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[mielric]

balance is when an ACE pilot defeats a first timer - but the first timer learns in the process - and has fun doing so.

Can't argue with that.

Im still waiting for someone to make my complaints invalid INGAME, and help me out with some training while you're at it?
Yea I couldn't see the big deal behind complaining for my complaints.
No one's actually showed up yet so, everything you say means absolutely nothing to me.
So allow me to complain here if I want to.

[Athenian]

Well if you re the same Ewrik in the GB I killed in Omega 7 a few days ago, I can tell you you need to use the engine kill first up.

What weapons have you mounted? Have you an armour upgrade?

I could actually meet you in game for a fight but then I'd be helping the enemy...

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[Jinx]

the point is - what do you want to prove?

if you win 10 out of 10 times in your corsair gunboat.... shall we buff up the BHG gunship?

if you loose 10 out of 10 times in your corsair gunboat ... does it prove a point?

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[mielric]

Well if you re the same Ewrik in the GB I killed in Omega 7 a few days ago, I can tell you you need to use the engine kill first up.

What weapons have you mounted? Have you an armour upgrade?

I could actually meet you in game for a fight but then I'd be helping the enemy...

I have Corsair turrets and one battle razor mounted
I have lvl8 armor upgrade
And for enginekill well, Im slowly figuring this one out the last few days.

As for any RP related, enemy crap, just spare me for a second.