Gaians and Corsairs

[Benjamin]

Eh well my views on people using a lot of allied technology is pretty volatile so I'll try not to get in to that.

But as you've listed it, what do the Corsairs get? They could find someone to sell their artifacts without having to ally with them (junkers can get to the hawaii, independent smuggler can ship in kusari), and this way, they have to give out their unique technology (del cids are a pretty unique case amongst weapons). Seems like this benefits the Hogosha a lot and the Corsairs not really at all.

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[bluntpencil2001]

Whilst we're at it, IMG and Corsairs shouldn't be friends either. IMG and Mollys/Hessians should get on okay.

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[pipboy]

The alliance could also work as a formality, for the Hogosha to be allowed to use their equipment. Unless the faction charts remained the same, it's difficult for the Hogosha to justify the use of 1-2 corsair weapons, and even a corsair gunboat in the rarest of occurances. I don't think the situation is exactly the same as the cardamine and blood daimond trade. Like all comparisons there are correlations, but no two comparisons are exact. We deal with the corsairs for artifacts, and military assets in order to maintain our control on the market- maybe not the grounds for an alliance, but an increased level of understanding between the two factions. And if not for this reason- than simply as a formality for the use of corsair technology on the hogosha behalf.

We also share the Outcasts as a direct enemy which further cements the need for a Corsair / Hogosha alliance.

Eh well my views on people using a lot of allied technology is pretty volatile so I'll try not to get in to that.

But as you've listed it, what do the Corsairs get? They could find someone to sell their artifacts without having to ally with them (junkers can get to the hawaii, independent smuggler can ship in kusari), and this way, they have to give out their unique technology (del cids are a pretty unique case amongst weapons). Seems like this benefits the Hogosha a lot and the Corsairs not really at all.

The Hogosha play a big part in keeping the Outcasts out of Kusari which makes it more difficult for them to spread their Cardamine and for doing so the Corsairs give us military technology. And indie smugglers could never move Artifacts in the large amounts the Hogosha do. For an indie smuggler in Kusrai the artifacts are an illegal commodity, for Hogosha ONLY it is a legal trade. Also the Hogosha jealously guard the Kusari black market and don't allow much room for competition. If you want to move anything through Kusari, you need to be in business with the Hogosha. And Junkers are a mute point, they are not allowed in Kusari at all.

So, benefits for the Corairs:
1. A direct mutual ally against the Outcasts.
2. The only real way of getting Artifacts into Kusari.
3. A direct link of getting artifcts to Kusari, no middle man needed which means more profit for everyone.

All this and more (since it's early and my brain isn't awake yet) makes the Hogosha one of the closest allies of the Corsairs. The Hogosha are one of the few that actually meets with the Corsairs regularly as well. Yes, they are viewed as gaijin, but they are very necessary for the money and technology that they share with the Hogosha.

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[Kuraine]

We also share the Outcasts as a direct enemy which further cements the need for a Corsair / Hogosha alliance.

Hmm, I can't argue with the points made for the case of the Corsair - Hogosha alliance, although I am still of the opinion that the Farmers Alliance should not be allied with the Corsairs. Although, of course, the Farmers Alliance would still retain their alliance with the Hogosha.

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Kuraine (Zoner tagged Trader)
Ravenholm (Zoner tagged Zoner Destroyer)
Bill Mason[Arms.Dealer] (Zoner tagged Arms Dealer)
LR-Drax (Liberty Rogue tagged Cruiser)
LR-Dravis (Liberty Rogue tagged VHF)
[RHA]Wilhelm.Wettin (Red Hessian tagged VHF)
[GC]-Ai.Takeda (Golden Chrysanthemum tagged VHF/Bomber)

[Zelot]

Hmm, I can't argue with the points made for the case of the Corsair - Hogosha alliance, although I am still of the opinion that the Farmers Alliance should not be allied with the Corsairs. Although, of course, the Farmers Alliance would still retain their alliance with the Hogosha.

Well, I would hope to keep the Corsairs Freindly/Neutral. We have done a lot of rp on the relations between the two, and the AFA regularly run loads of food to the Corsairs, the thing they need most. We also sell the food to the Corsairs without all the upcharges the Zoners put ontop of the price for Corsairs. In addition to that, the FA and the Corsair share the same main enemies, Outcasts, Bretonians, Blood Dragons, GC, Bounty Hunters.

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[Kuraine]

Well, I would hope to keep the Corsairs Freindly/Neutral. We have done a lot of rp on the relations between the two, and the AFA regularly run loads of food to the Corsairs, the thing they need most. We also sell the food to the Corsairs without all the upcharges the Zoners put ontop of the price for Corsairs. In addition to that, the FA and the Corsair share the same main enemies, Outcasts, Bretonians, Blood Dragons, GC, Bounty Hunters.

I'm surprised that you can afford to sell the food that cheaply, given the food issues in Kusari and the traditional methods of farming being too expensive, hence your beef with Synth Foods ruining all the prices;)But yes, the Farmers Alliance would obviously stay neutral/friendly-ish with the Corsairs. They don't really need the alliance though. After all, you want to keep the Corsairs out of Kusari as well as the Outcasts, not simply trade one enemy for another.

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Kuraine (Zoner tagged Trader)
Ravenholm (Zoner tagged Zoner Destroyer)
Bill Mason[Arms.Dealer] (Zoner tagged Arms Dealer)
LR-Drax (Liberty Rogue tagged Cruiser)
LR-Dravis (Liberty Rogue tagged VHF)
[RHA]Wilhelm.Wettin (Red Hessian tagged VHF)
[GC]-Ai.Takeda (Golden Chrysanthemum tagged VHF/Bomber)

[Zelot]

I'm surprised that you can afford to sell the food that cheaply, given the food issues in Kusari and the traditional methods of farming being too expensive, hence your beef with Synth Foods ruining all the prices;)But yes, the Farmers Alliance would obviously stay neutral/friendly-ish with the Corsairs. They don't really need the alliance though. After all, you want to keep the Corsairs out of Kusari as well as the Outcasts, not simply trade one enemy for another.

The issue is not a scarcity of food. We have more product than we know what to do with. Farms in Kusari that have been operation for generations are shutting down because the demand for Kusari grown food has decreased since the introduction of Synthfood into the market. Meaning that it has become less profitable to produce the food and sell it in Kusari. The Corsairs are the perfect solution, that have a huge demand for food, and while most think that the Corsairs are poor, because they dint have enough food, that is not true, the Corsairs are some of the most prolific pirates in Sirius, meaning they have money, just not food, making the relations between the FA and Corsairs fairly logical. The FA provide food to the Corsairs, which feeds the Corsairs, as well as give a new big markets for Kusari food. In exchange for these deals the Corsairs stay out of Kusari, and allow the Hogosha and FA deal with the Corsairs enemies in Kusari, which just so happen to be the same people the FA and Hogosha are already fighting.

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[Lucend]

I would like to say one thing about the Order - Corsair alliance. It's in the infocard that the Nephthys (And I assume the Sekmet, though don't quote me) has a Titan powercore as well as Corsair tech. And as the story goes, the Order came to Crete to build the Osiris class ships.

What I'm getting at is even though the Order has a large percentage of Liberty personnel and supplies, the Corsairs have a long-standing alliance with them, and for things to sour overnight is something of an oddity. It would need some event, or tension to break up. But the fact that the Order's and Corsair's enemies basically match up makes a military event very unlikely. Perhaps political? I'm not saying it can't happen, I'm saying something has to happen, and there have been few problems ingame.

I agree whole-heartedly, having both a Farmer and a Corsair character that they should be neutral/friendly. Asked to leave, but thrown out if it comes to fistycuffs.

However, I would like to point out that the Farmer - Hogosha relationship is really one more of a Servant - Master type. (Though I wouldn't use those words) Farmers respect the Hogosha in an absolute way that would probably make us look the other way if the Hogosha told us to strongly enough.

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"The thirteen saloons that had lined the one street of Seney had not left a trace. The foundations of the Mansion House hotel stuck up above the ground. The stone was chipped and split by the fire. It was all that was left of the town of Seney. Even the surface had been burned off the ground.
Nick looked at the burned-over stretch of hillside, where he had expected to find the scattered houses of the town and then walked down the railroad track to the bridge over the river. The river was there."

Osaika Moto, the Fall and Rise of a Kusari Farmer

Juan Lucendez, √ Corsair

[Tidomann]

Here you go ladies and gentlemen, proof that the hogosha are able to transport more artifacts than any indy smuggler could ever hope to accomplish-



edit: sorry for the thread jacking, but this dicussion has turned into a question about most corsair allies. Should we return to the main topic title now?

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Hakatoa Yamota, Fuku-Honbucho in the Black Dragon Society

[Marburg]

Ok then...getting on topic w/ my 2 shiny pennies:

Personally, I'm all for the Gaians going hostile w/ the Sairs. & not just for nuking Cork.


The bottom part of the faction card says:

Many of the modern Gaians are ordnary criminals & pirates who consider an alliance with the corsairs to be the best way to ensure their survival.

This has always been a problem, because alot of people read the word 'many' & think 'all'

In my mind, that one little word splinters the faction into 'Gaians' & 'Modern Gaians' & if it comes down to it, I'd absolutely love to <strike>see</strike> start a Gaian civil war over it.

Fact of the matter is, Gaians on the whole are not pirates...they are pissed off activists with a portion of their number that go off pirating people...& this is a very bad thing, cause it takes away from the potential of what the Gaians should be & makes them seen by the public as impotent thugs looking for a quick buck

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