Developments of the Bretonian Region

[Blodo]

How large is the green front? It has never seemed like a large party. A fringe party, with a weird plank...Suing for peace? Sure. They might. But lets not forget that Bretonia is supposed to mirror Victorian Brittian. The Victorian Empire, surrender? Even when the wolf is on its door? I rather think not.

Well, the Green Front is rich and powerful enough to be able to hire lawyer crack teams to allow captured Gaians to dodge their sentences. There are a lot of rumours in Bretonia that suggest most of the captured Gaian pilots quickly get back out and are back in space even quicker than that.

The Hessians, I thought, had turned their backs on their beginnings, aside from the rather small RHA group, and were ruthless thugs, for the most part, rather than revolutionary oppressed miners.

What Blunt said. Except, the Hessian high command and a certain part of the general fighting force are still quite idealistic.

[Benjamin]

Well, the Green Front is rich and powerful enough to be able to hire lawyer crack teams to allow captured Gaians to dodge their sentences. There are a lot of rumours in Bretonia that suggest most of the captured Gaian pilots quickly get back out and are back in space even quicker than that.

This can't be the case now that gaians have committed treason and allied with Kusari. Might have worked in vanilla but that has seriously got to go now. Gaians would be shot when captured.

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[ugliestmoose]

The Brets getting busy in Edin means they have to constantly fight off the Gaians (& they would without a doubt, go completely rabid) & be more than a massive drain on the bret war effort, the 2-front fighting probably resulting in the loss of Leeds & eventually making Edin into a massive warzone while they get the everlovin snot beat out of them in one place from multiple enemies. Is it worth the risk?

I agree to an extent; from Bretonia's standpoint, it makes little sense to be expanding industrially and commercially into a new system while they have a war to fund, not to mention provoking yet another hostile group against them.

At the same time, I understand where Unselie's coming from that it may take a really long time for any Bretonian expansion to be put into Disco. Edinburgh feels underused at the moment (to me at least) so from a purely game-improving perspective, I'm all for adding to it. If a new asteroid field is implemented then a BMM base makes the most sense. It also seems that Bretonia's other corporations, Bowex and Gateway, have very few bases so maybe we could add one for them?

Why would the Gaians let the Mollys even think about building a station in their home turf? Possible future neutrality aside, you cannot put 2 alpha dogs in the same pin, else they spend their time with territorial pissings & eventually rip each others throats out.

As a player who flies his Molly a lot, I gotta say - no more Molly bases for now. We barely even use the one in Cambridge as it's quite out of the way, and there's closer places to pirate in Leeds and NL. Though, I don't agree with the 'ripping each other to parts' bit, since our interests don't really conflict. Most systems share criminal groups anyway and they get along with hugs and kisses :ylove:.

What I'm wondering is - and I don't play a Gaian, so maybe someone who does has a good response - why don't the Gaians have another base somewhere? I know they're a small group and all, but it seems like a lot of effort to get anywhere farther than Leeds. Cambridge seems like a logical choice, the closest they have to allies in Bretonia are in that system, am I right? I even wouldn't be opposed if the Molly base there became Gaian. Also, Cambridge is pretty far from the war front and full of intellectual types who would be against the war, and there's a lot of non-Bretonian presence there already with the Cryer and IMG bases, so it would be logically the safest spot for the Gaians.

Except, the Hessian high command and a certain part of the general fighting force are still quite idealistic.

Yep, just because the 'ground level' members act like simple criminals does not mean that the leadership doesn't retain its ideals. I'd say a lot of guerrilla movements are like that in real life as well. So even though the groups don't come across each other much, it makes diplomatic sense for them to ally because of their similar roots and shared enemy in the Corsairs.

[Blodo]

This can't be the case now that gaians have committed treason and allied with Kusari. Might have worked in vanilla but that has seriously got to go now. Gaians would be shot when captured.

Well, I was always opposed to their alliance with Kusari... frankly I find it rather far fetched.

Cossack: Gaians have two bases aside from Islay. Both however are placed so funnily that they never get used, and in fact I dare say most Gaians have no idea they exist:PWell, the Gaian base in Newcastle (Skye Base) is known cause it sells the Gaian GB, but the base in Manchester (Holmfirth Base) I bet is hardly known to people.

[Marburg]

The reason I get so uppity when people talk about Gaians is because they suffer a horrible lack of understanding from many people as to what they are.

So, as you guys continue to debate partitioning off the system with the Gaians as a seeming afterthought, keep a few things in mind:

Gaians may have started as a bunch of Cambridge bookworms, but after being militant for 77 years, they are NOT pushovers, they are multi-generational, & by now, most Gaians have never had the opportunity to even legally set foot on Cambridge to be the 'bookworm scientist' type... although I do see them as highly intelligent because they come from a tradition of education. That said, what they DO have currently is a little over 3 quarters of a century worth of fighting experience with minimal resourses & have successfully retarded the development of Edin & kept the system in the boondocks.

They have a little over 3 quarters of a century worth of hate for their enemies & will not ever roll over to any one of them.

& Gaia is not the end-all be-all to the existence of the Gaians it's just the epicenter of their creation & their namesake, so thinking that simply staying away from the planet is enough to make the Gaians happy well, that's beyond silly thinkin' & right up there with the 'hippy' stereotype I love to hate so much.

& the Green Front Party doesn't have to be large to make a difference...they have pundits spreading Gaian propaganda in the Bret media that gives the Gaians an advantage of civilian support the Mollys don't enjoy...but hey, they have bigger ships than we do, so whatever...I'd rather have good buzz in the street & a number of people that would aid & shelter a Gaian in their homes in a pinch than have a fleet big lumbering spaceships any day of the week.

Say the Gaians are forever uneffective all y'all like, but don't for a second think that a small group can't kick the knees out from under a bigger force & stop them with minimal effort.

Pffftt!! firepower is an overrated crutch for the weak

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[Kambei]

back to page 2..... about acuracy of map.... there are few system missing, Bastile is galian, Kusari own Tohoku, Kumamoto, Chugoku, Nagano (hey thats a lot of new stations we need there), Puerto Rico is Liberty owned... enough said about acuracy of this map.

Do you want trade post Invernes? There is already one, Invergordon space port.

Invernes JH is just next to Gaian base in Newcastle. Do you want just anihilate this rock?

Infocard say it is desolate system.

There isnt single line about Invernes anywhere which say Bretonia even know about this system, BPA cant fight against smuglers if they even dont know where they are.
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I realy dont understand on what want Bretonia (as house) claim this system. There is no RP in current disco FL space for that

I think that famouse and mysterious legendary map isnt about claim of houses on certain systems but about nationality of their inhabitants.... IMG miners from Bretonia in Orkney, Bretonian junkers in Invernes.

And generaly.... this "map" isnt presented ingame.... it was said many times, visit of site/forum is welcome but not necessary for playing except thread with rules). This is RP server so if you re playing, you are RPing. And since visit of forum isnt required for playing/RPing, you can/must base your RP on things presented ingame = single aviable infocard from Invernes. Ingame things beat your map not even by their quantity but even with quality.

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[farmerman]

Personally, I like the idea of expanding the Edinburgh system because it gives more meaning to the Gaians. Putting tradelanes, usually in major populations, is a surefire way to make it seem Gaia is getting closer to being invaded. Plus if it connects Ayr, it puts an even BIGGER bullseye there. Of course, the logic could be that Bretonia has waited this long because of the Gaians and their attacks slowing things down - if it was completely safe, it'd be done already.

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That being said, here's my idea for a future Bretonian system, situated on the map below Manchester, and connected to it, Salisbury, and Cambridge.



My idea: with the war going on, Bretonia needs more ships, more resources, etc, etc. A couple years back, a jumphole in Cambridge became phase-aligned to the barren, but mineral rich, Swansea system. It had been previously unexplored because it was not easily accessible and, lacking any stars, it was overlooked on larger scale exploration. BMM established some miners to get at the band of minerals amidst the Barrier at the time.

With the war escalating, the government decided they needed to act. A shipyard was constructed to build ships there and move them directly to Salisbury for the war effort. Bowex established a depot to import the necessary components and combine them with the local materials (beryllium and niobium both appear in the Barrier elsewhere, not sure if it's feasible, or they might just be in less accessible forms of rock).

Gateway was allowed to construct a depot of their own; They generally ship the extra metals from the area to the civilian market and bring in additional components for the shipyard. An area had also been identified that might be a good spot for a future jumpgate. Currently, however, it's far away.

Unfortunately, not only was there a jumphole to Cambridge, letting Mollys and the occasional Corsair in, but a new one has recently become aligned to Manchester. Gaians from Holmfirth, disgusted by the newly built operations, launch raids from there. At best they could fly through, disrupt things, and escape to the friendly Cambridge system, where they have significant support.

Anyway, just an idea, please expand on it if you'd like and make Bretonia awesomer. :D

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[Seth Karlo]

I go to sleep for 10 fricken hours and this goes wacko.

Can anyone tell me what you've decided on please?

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[Benjamin]

& the Green Front Party doesn't have to be large to make a difference...they have pundits spreading Gaian propaganda in the Bret media that gives the Gaians an advantage of civilian support the Mollys don't enjoy...but hey, they have bigger ships than we do, so whatever...I'd rather have good buzz in the street & a number of people that would aid & shelter a Gaian in their homes in a pinch than have a fleet big lumbering spaceships any day of the week.

Agree with your post except this bit. Same as what I said in my last post. Either you get civilian support, or you get an alliance with Kusari. There is literally no way you could get both.

I agree with blodo regarding the gaian-kusari alliance, personally, but that's just me. I don't know if it's down to you as faction leader, or down to the mod creator, for making a decision about this, but whatever. Notion of a group of criminals who've committed high treason in a time of war having strong popular support from the civilian populace is ridiculous.

If anything, the Mollies have this now, since they fight on Bretonia's side in the war.

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[Stoat]

I go to sleep for 10 fricken hours and this goes wacko.

Can anyone tell me what you've decided on please?

Nothing, of course. There are valid arguments on both sides.

But there is one contradiction in it all, and Benjamin picked it up. How can the Gaians claim to have the ear of the people, and be allied (in any way) with the Kusari? 'Burg, i agree with almost everything you post about the Gaians, but this one thing is a major stumbling block. Unless there's something I've missed, you'll have to forgo the support of the common man, or drop your ties with Kusari. I cannot see the two being mutually compatible. Ever.

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