(03-11-2025, 06:54 PM)The_Godslayer Wrote: I like how all these complaints are being thrown around about "unreasonable demands" when I've pirated ≈50 traders in the past week, and only 3 of them even stopped when CDd and told "cut your engines". And 2 of those were ALG. How many of you get to the demand point, even? If you're any of the active traders, I've probably had to shoot you down before I even get to issue a demand.
Complaining about unreasonable demands = blue hunting when you constantly make yourself open season by refusing to even stop is hypocritical and in bad faith. The main point of frigate piracy these days is so that you can salvage something after you've had to shoot down the trader because he silently kept trying to cruise.
Y'all know you've blown it when Godslayer is the one being the most reasonable on a thread like this.
(03-11-2025, 06:55 PM)Lusitano Wrote: of course it is my fault that 3 pirates are in the midle of a trade lane of after a jump hole/gate. of course i slhould know that they are there, even despite there is nothing in game that allows me to get that information. it is always my fault! sure ... but not you right? of course you are so smart and others are so dumb.
- The same way people use the player list to hunt for targets, players use the player list to avoid them. Ideally neither would, but let's face it, people are mostly unwilling to play without the player list.
- You can always hire a scout or escort. If you fly without any defense or intel, yes, that is your own fault. Interact with people on the way and hire them. There are enough people who would love to get hired by transport pilots but rarely get more than a "hi" if anything.
- Cloaks.
- Don't use trade lanes - more time to react for you, less chance to run into pirates. Of course pirates go for chokepoints like lanes and gates.
Seriously, you play Discovery for over a decade and act like you're younger than one. Pirates are rarer than ever, fairer than ever and people are so used to using the rules as sword and shield that they forget that the moment they log into the game, they CAN get harmed, regardless of ship, ID and region. If you don't want any risk, play singleplayer. Otherwise, yes, you need to live with the fact that you can't always win, and that the people with the guns are in a better position than you are if you actively decide to fly without escorts, scouts or armaments. This isn't Hello Kitty Island Adventure.
escorts? what escorts? how many players you see playing for escorts? no one is even offering that. that was when the server was full and there was even clans for that.
cloaks? do you even know how cloaks now work? you put someone guard a jump gate/hole, and the cloak is useless, because you don't even need a cloak disrupter.
i say the real things that happen, and it is you that live in some barbie and ken game. i know very well what can happen and what can't, i know very well how it to be pirated, and i can say that i had very good interactions with pirates, some even continue to talk after the encounter, but reallity is about 90% of pirate is "cut engines, give me X or die" that is the truth and not a dream on your head, and when this happen i see my stand, can i win? can i run? if yes or maybe so i give fight, if not and have a good cargo i pay. simple. how can someone go from system A to C, if the only way is by B and there just one way to pass? That is how most rats do, park in one place and stay there around, always was that way, and even if i can go to C by D, how i can tell if there is another also there? the player list says in what system player is, not in what part of that system, he can even be inside a base.
what i said in the beggining was why is legal to have to give all the cargo if there is a rule that say pirates have to make reasonable demands? how can lose all is reasonable? isn't the same thing that the pirate ask much more than you said what it was reasonable? any real answer to that? anyone? a good proper anwser? one honest one not arrogant one please. thank you in advance
If you would put half the effort of complaining into socializing with people ingame or on Discord, you'd have no trouble at all finding people to fly escort or scout for you. I certainly don't have trouble in that regard. Outsmarting the opposition is fairly easy in many ways. All you need is to want it.
again not a answer to my question ... just a prick answer that shows what how this work. if you have a sad lonely life it is your problem, i have a real life and don't need this. second in game i greet every player i see, even with a greetings or hello and if the reply is good, i wish a safe travel, and if the reply is even better and we go on the same way, more a small talk can be made, i even made a small talk between a zoner ship and a vagrant ... but of course you are so smart and we all are so dumb, a player here said in a week he pirated 50 ships ... for you is 50 dumb players, and funny you speak in avoid interactions and then acuse me of not wanting to do it ... i already saw weird stuff here but this is a new level. but hey ... who i'm i to say something right? just wanted a simple answer and all i get is this crap from almighty master of discovery, the brain, the genious.
anyway ... that is what i deserve for not kissing back sides here. at least i know for sure that not all that have their nicknames with colors are like this, and when i speak to then i really thank them for their work. but ... it is what it is!!
I think you might be overeacting a bit, anyone who has played the game for more than a year knows how it is. As a player you always have a choise, most of the traders I have pirated chose to go silent and try to run away. It's not that hard mate, If you wanna play safe do it, otherwise roll the dices and find out.
I've been playing for over eight years, and I've rarely won a PvP. I've been pirated by five at a time, and I've literally had to suck it up on occasions where, due to my own decisions, I've gotten myself into places where I was guaranteed to get beat. That's the way it is.
All this fuss about ganking rules is not about ganking itself, but about the usual whiners who can't stand to see their pixels explode.
Let's keep things civil and constructive - calling something or someone stupid isn't really an actionable piece of feedback or a good counterpoint to an attempt to address a pain point
(03-12-2025, 01:33 AM)mm33dd Wrote: I think you might be overeacting a bit, anyone who has played the game for more than a year knows how it is. As a player you always have a choise, most of the traders I have pirated chose to go silent and try to run away. It's not that hard mate, If you wanna play safe do it, otherwise roll the dices and find out.
I've been playing for over eight years, and I've rarely won a PvP. I've been pirated by five at a time, and I've literally had to suck it up on occasions where, due to my own decisions, I've gotten myself into places where I was guaranteed to get beat. That's the way it is.
All this fuss about ganking rules is not about ganking itself, but about the usual whiners who can't stand to see their pixels explode.
So do i. i even once was pirated by 4 bombers from a official faction, that about 2 months later, they were crying that they were ganked. all i asked is why is perfect normal a trader to lose all cargo, when there is a rule that pirates have to make a reasonable demand. why that triggered some? last time i was pirated it was againts a gunboat, i run because i had a base close enough, and also ... the normal pirate line, cut your engines, give me X or die ... proper rp right? yeah! it is not being pirated, is a part of the game, it is not losing a pvp, it why ... WHY ... losing all cargo that can cost several hundreds Ks is normal, but pirates monetary demands have to be much lower! does not make any sense! that's what i want to know, nothing more. i don't care if i'm out number and out gun, it is normal, but also a rule that say dont gank and then say you can gank ... strange! but again my question is about why it is ok a trader lose all cargo that may costs hundreds of Ks, and why is not against the rule that pirate has to make a reasonable demand! but ... looks like i'm stupid because i can be pirated, and i have to avoid interactions and also i also have interact. just made a simple question ... i can go to the kudos, or faction feedback, and find me giving kudos to pirates, because they were well made rp proper ones, and even after we continue to talk in private message, even my last kudos was me in a zoner transport talking to a vagrant , all making a proper rp. again it is not about being pirated, and how many they are, it is why losing a cargo that can be worth hundreds it is reasonable, but if they ask money it was to be much lower, otherwise it is not reasonable. just that. simple.
How many times can you get cargo pirated per run?
Answer: Just for as much cargo as you carry with you.
How many times can you get credit pirated per run?
Answer: Technically infinitely.
Cargo piracy hurts, obviously, more when you get pirated only once per run. If you run into multiple pirates that act independent from each other, you can lose more credits. Imagine the transport and the two gunboats had intercepted you independent from each other at three different locations and demanded credits.
Quote:2. 'Reasonable amount' as described by the server rules has not changed - it is staff policy not to define a specific amount, as it will result in people just issuing the maximum allowable 'reasonable demand' at every opportunity
You don't say what's reasonable because you assume the worst of people and that they would ask for the max and then punish them when they guess wrong? Doesn't exactly make me want to pirate again lol (And I've never asked for the max, besides when a guy said he's a CEO of BMF)
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