Rule Update: AI Generated Content

[jammi]

Why is this AI generated???

Joke
[dʒəʊk]
noun

A thing that someone says to cause amusement or laughter, especially a story with a funny punchline:

"She was in a mood to tell jokes"

Similar: jest, witticism, quip, pleasantry, pun.

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[L1ght]

Good rule, I approve

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[Deity]

Why is this AI generated???

Joke
[dʒəʊk]
noun

A thing that someone says to cause amusement or laughter, especially a story with a funny punchline:

"She was in a mood to tell jokes"

Similar: jest, witticism, quip, pleasantry, pun.

I am glad that you found this funny because it is not.

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[Lord Helmchen]

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That has already been answered.

You should really worry less about it. The ruling is really more about the fairly blatantly obvious cases. If people want to feel rebellious and try to have the AI write the content in such a way that it is hard to distinguish, that's good on them. As long as the AI-generated content isn't equally as bad and soulless as any other low-effort posting, you don't need to be worried at all. Whether people want to flex about replacing genuine effort with genuine-looking effort, though, is really their own issue.

Oh yeah, and who decides that? Who decides if it's AI or just someone who writes not up to your Standards? And even more important, how will you be able to prove it in more than a "Trust me, Bro" manner? Will you use AI to check if it is AI? Right now, every Rule Violation can be proven without a Doubt. But this is a Rule that you can't enforce without going into the "Trust me, bro" Region.

You will have to have people like me that Write in there native way of Writeing (German) and I can guaranty you that my style of writing would definitely flaged as AI by an AI, and that because I am not writing how they write as a Native English Speaker.

So yes, I think having this rule is nice. But I also believe this rule will not be able to be proven without a Reasonable Doubt. Also, what would stop people from simply flagging other people's RP as AI? I mean, you can prove nothing. At AI images, there is at least sometimes a Watermark. But AI Texts don't have this Mark.

So, yeah, Good Idea, but Impossible to enforce.

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[jammi]

I don't say this to be rude, but you have an extremely distinctive style of writing that I don't think anyone is going to mistake for the raw output of ChatGPT. I wouldn't worry if I was you.

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[Luke.]

This has, again, already been answered. We are not intending to use AI to detect it. AI itself writes in very distinct ways, far different from how you do. It's nothing to do with standards when the difference in standards between human input and AI are quite obvious. If it's too hard to tell, we do not act. The initial explanation of the new rule details this, as have several people in the thread including demonstrations of what is and isn't acceptable.

I urge you to read those responses and otherwise try to relax, Helmchen.

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[Petitioner]

You will have to have people like me that Write in there native way of Writeing (German) and I can guaranty you that my style of writing would definitely flaged as AI by an AI, and that because I am not writing how they write as a Native English Speaker.

So, yeah, Good Idea, but Impossible to enforce.

I can guarantee you for an absolute fact that your writing, Helmchen, would never be flagged as written by an AI.

So yes, I think having this rule is nice. But I also believe this rule will not be able to be proven without a Reasonable Doubt.

Given that we (the staff) don't give out evidence for confirmed cheaters, because that's very sensitive and would enable further cheating, by your logic any and all bans for cheating are also nothing more than "trust me bro". Yet despite this, Discovery has been successfully enforcing bans against confirmed cheaters for years, and the community has yet to be egregiously *cough* negatively effected from Johnny Moneyglitch getting permabanned.

Also, what would stop people from simply flagging other people's RP as AI? I mean, you can prove nothing.

We are not relying solely or even primarily on AI detectors to enforce this rule. Again, if you cannot tell the difference between the two examples in Weapon's post (which, by the way, should have been enough to close down this thread given it perfectly summed up what the actual policy is re: text), that is solely a personal skill issue.

Let me tell a story.

Way back in the day, I had two Russians ask to join a faction I was in the HC of. One of them didn't speak English literally at all. His buddy said "we are a package deal, he exclusively plays when I do and I translate for him". I said "sure, you two can join, but if either of you violates the rules, we will hold you both equally accountable". They agreed to this term, and they were both perfectly fine faction members. Over time, the one who didn't speak English... actually started to learn English from exposure, and started speaking on his own rather than relying on yandex or his buddy to translate. Sadly, the two didn't stick around for long, but while I don't want to single anyone out, we have community members here today who started off on Discovery speaking not a word of English. Yet, following their posts closely, and having flown alongside them ingame several times, I have seen their English skills improve to an admirable degree.

Language learning is difficult, especially as we're all older and most of us have jobs and obligations and whatnot nowadays. But the great thing about human neurology is that, barring a severe intellectual impairment, we can always, at absolutely any age, learn a new language—at least, given we have access to the time to use it and the resources needed.

Anyway, the point is that whether you use AI as an unpaid proofreading intern or not, so long as you have actually written the roleplay yourself, it is acceptable. As has been stated many times in this thread already. If you are writing your posts yourself, then you are good to go. If you are using AI-generated images, so long as there is no "incoging trensmitision" or artifacted six-finger hands, you are good to go. This rule exists to safeguard the integrity of this community as a place for creative expression. If you have a problem with that, you know where your browser's X button is.

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[Lemon]

You will have to have people like me that Write in there native way of Writeing (German) and I can guaranty you that my style of writing would definitely flaged as AI by an AI, and that because I am not writing how they write as a Native English Speaker.

So, yeah, Good Idea, but Impossible to enforce.

I can guarantee you for an absolute fact that your writing, Helmchen, would never be flagged as written by an AI.

So yes, I think having this rule is nice. But I also believe this rule will not be able to be proven without a Reasonable Doubt.

Given that we (the staff) don't give out evidence for confirmed cheaters, because that's very sensitive and would enable further cheating, by your logic any and all bans for cheating are also nothing more than "trust me bro". Yet despite this, Discovery has been successfully enforcing bans against confirmed cheaters for years, and the community has yet to be egregiously *cough* negatively effected from Johnny Moneyglitch getting permabanned.

Also, what would stop people from simply flagging other people's RP as AI? I mean, you can prove nothing.

We are not relying solely or even primarily on AI detectors to enforce this rule. Again, if you cannot tell the difference between the two examples in Weapon's post (which, by the way, should have been enough to close down this thread given it perfectly summed up what the actual policy is re: text), that is solely a personal skill issue.

Let me tell a story.

Way back in the day, I had two Russians ask to join a faction I was in the HC of. One of them didn't speak English literally at all. His buddy said "we are a package deal, he exclusively plays when I do and I translate for him". I said "sure, you two can join, but if either of you violates the rules, we will hold you both equally accountable". They agreed to this term, and they were both perfectly fine faction members. Over time, the one who didn't speak English... actually started to learn English from exposure, and started speaking on his own rather than relying on yandex or his buddy to translate. Sadly, the two didn't stick around for long, but while I don't want to single anyone out, we have community members here today who started off on Discovery speaking not a word of English. Yet, following their posts closely, and having flown alongside them ingame several times, I have seen their English skills improve to an admirable degree.

Language learning is difficult, especially as we're all older and most of us have jobs and obligations and whatnot nowadays. But the great thing about human neurology is that, barring a severe intellectual impairment, we can always, at absolutely any age, learn a new language—at least, given we have access to the time to use it and the resources needed.

Anyway, the point is that whether you use AI as an unpaid proofreading intern or not, so long as you have actually written the roleplay yourself, it is acceptable. As has been stated many times in this thread already. If you are writing your posts yourself, then you are good to go. If you are using AI-generated images, so long as there is no "incoging trensmitision" or artifacted six-finger hands, you are good to go. This rule exists to safeguard the integrity of this community as a place for creative expression. If you have a problem with that, you know where your browser's X button is.

chatGPT says about this post:
Likelihood this was written by AI (or heavily AI-assisted):
15%–25%

[Tenshi Kuonji]

Oh yeah, and who decides that? Who decides if it's AI or just someone who writes not up to your Standards? And even more important, how will you be able to prove it in more than a "Trust me, Bro" manner? Will you use AI to check if it is AI? Right now, every Rule Violation can be proven without a Doubt. But this is a Rule that you can't enforce without going into the "Trust me, bro" Region.

You will have to have people like me that Write in there native way of Writeing (German) and I can guaranty you that my style of writing would definitely flaged as AI by an AI, and that because I am not writing how they write as a Native English Speaker.

So yes, I think having this rule is nice. But I also believe this rule will not be able to be proven without a Reasonable Doubt. Also, what would stop people from simply flagging other people's RP as AI? I mean, you can prove nothing. At AI images, there is at least sometimes a Watermark. But AI Texts don't have this Mark.

So, yeah, Good Idea, but Impossible to enforce.

Oh dear Lord, you're one of the very few I can genuinely roleplay with without needing AI tools or translators simply because of the mutual trust and friendship we’ve built.
But you, flagged as AI? I honestly doubt the staff would even attempt that. And if they did… well, it would be a ridiculous move, to say the least.

Your writing is so rich and refined that it’s actually one of the only styles that has left me creatively burnt out before not out of disinterest, but because I felt unable to match your depth and detail.

You didn’t just set the bar; you made me realize how hard it can be to keep up with that kind of quality. But at the same time, I respected it deeply.

What’s curious and slightly frustrating is that your post seems to have been taken more seriously than my full list of 18 questions on My own post questioning staff new Rule, some of those important while answered (they did not answer it) in a mockery manner (by commoners), reading the answer on your post answer some of my own questions, so ... is okay i suppose, as seems that "STAFF" isn't wanting to cooperate, i belive i should yell them again or that is what some people belives ... so, again thank you by unilateral doing in questioning and getting some of the answers i look for, not from community, not from even the staff, seems they dislike if i drop hard questions to them. (Even when i do in a way to not break their rules again)

Some of the answers you've now received directly address things I asked yet when I brought them up, they were either dodged or met with mockery.

I suppose that’s “fine,” in the loosest sense, since at least some answers finally surfaced, even if not through me.

But it does say a lot, doesn’t it? That a well-worded post by someone else gets more traction than straightforward questions aimed at clarity.

Anyway, thank you truly for stepping in and asking. You did it unilaterally, but your post got the attention and responses that my original attempts did not.

Apparently, when I ask hard questions, it's seen as “provocative” or “problematic.”

But when you do, it’s suddenly worth responding to. *jealous*

Nicer day to only you Lord Helmchen!,

to the others, just "Day" would be even much ... not worth the "Good day" to anyone

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chatGPT says about this post:
Likelihood this was written by AI (or heavily AI-assisted):
15%–25%

1. Who asked?
   
2. What leads you to believe that ChatGPT itself is a good tool for analyzing whether or not something was made by ChatGPT?
   
3. What leads you to believe that this policy is going to be enforced by us copy-pasting forum messages into an AI model and just trusting whatever it claims?
   
4. For ChatGPT, 15-25% is a pretty low figure, and it's probably as low as it's going to go for any coherently-written post with mostly valid grammar and spelling. Which leads us back to point two.
   

We're trying to deal with blatant AI slop here, which you can recognize in very many ways. For example, AI-generated text might ramble on about following environmental laws and regulations in the Omicrons, and how proud the company is for following them so diligently. It'll use extremely generic sci-fi mumbo-jumbo language all the time while referring to basically no (Discovery) Freelancer lore or concepts.

Do:

• Use LLMs to help you draft roleplay posts and stories.
  
• Use LLMs to slightly improve some clunky, poorly-flowing sentences you wrote.
  
• Use LLMs to investigate what parts of the Discovery Freelancer timeline your character would have lived through, given a certain date of birth -- taking great care to verify the model's claims, as it may well hallucinate a dozen fake events.
  
• Use LLMs to generate the name of some imaginary park in the middle of an imaginary district on Planet Manhattan, if you're feeling a little uninspired.
  

Don't:

• Have an LLM literally write your roleplay for you.
  

It's really that easy.

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