Too many Indy Order Capships

[ophidian]

/start tired anger

I was one of the 4 nommies epicly attacked yesterday and yes, the RP was epic fail except for 5-6 players who managed to a)stay away from the battle due to the massacre b) tried to do the rp to show how its done while;

most of the caps were like;

a)squish TAAATATATATATATa
b)lol i hit you
c)zomG!

and d) no msg at all

It was an epic massacre of RP. I mean there were like 12 caps or so involved (yes against 2 lf, 2 bomba) EXCLUDING the GBs and the fighters;

AAANNND

there were almost no rp.

Man 12 cap ships should h ave like a f'in RP spam!


Any role playing lover should make the brains work and try to come up with a solution instead of ;

a) lets ban indies / let the factions decide crap
b) lets ban factions, indies shall be totally free crap
c) lolwuting and only giving crap comment, nothing constructive being posted.

Seriously, its tiring to find posts that worth something constructive within all these madness.

So, please, PLEASE, if you have anything construcive to add or tell, try to see it from BOTH sides of things (indy / faction) and post here.

If not, please, let others' stuff be seen rather than drowning the posts within the epic crap.

/end tired anger

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All faction players and non faction but group players SHOULD contact the indy players in game and take their skype / contact / etc and talk to them out of game as well to inject them in the group feeling of server and work on their RP skills.

Also, all factionized people should try to involve the indies in their RP events and operations to show them how it is being done.

All indies with experience should take responsiblity as well and encourage these actions and "pushing" the others a bit into these kinda things until they at least f'in learn how to write "Engaging" (yes, even that is a trait now)

Thank you.


Engajung.

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[Sprolf]

Again, it's absolutely wonderful how the solution to this problem was shot down.


As a proud Order indie cap owner, I am adamant in my opinions.

We definitely.
Need.
Cap.
Restrictions.
Somehow.
And in some way.

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[Heartless]

just get rid of the carrier. it's cheap and big and people don't get it for it's rp purpose rendering it a failure.

edit 2- OR! Make it like 800mil (like the lib. carrier) so that only really dedicated people who will rp it will get it and the rest move on to something else.



btw-this is coming from an indie now XD


edit: although, now with my half nomie infested osiris I'll be sure to fix a problem that always bugged me as grand admiral:)

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SwissScorch --> Heartless

[Birdtalon]

I agree with swissy.

People who have carriers shouldn't lose them.

Just dont sell they any more.

Make them admin-given.

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[FooFighter]

We definitely.
Need.
Cap.
Restrictions.
Somehow.
And in some way.

We do. No doubt. And this time, please, don't remove them because some indies complain. Most of the people who will complain about their cap being taken away from them haven't deserved it anyways. Oh, and please define "cap" as "anything larger than a GB and not a transport".

Really, I trust every faction on this server, no matter how biased their leadership may be, to ensure that the people who can be trusted with a cap will get (to keep) it. And losing all the lolcaps would definitely be worth it.

Also, I think that capship pilots breaking the rules should be punished *much* harsher than ordinary players. Somebody who has a cap must already have spent quite some time on this server, and certainly enough to learn the rules. And I'm thinking of completely deleting characters of OORP offenders here, for example.

[Sprolf]

Aye.
With Great Power Comes Great Resonsibility.

Also, as a sidethought:
If (and hopefully WHEN) we make new rules and restrictions, and if it comes to the point where I, as an indie, can't fly a capital ship any more, I'll gladly surrender that right for the good of the server.

I'm hoping it doesn't come to that, but I'm just saying that I would - I'm not going to be selfish about it.

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[Varyag]

I say make transports and bombers admin given. Actually make liberators, lokis and scimitars admin given as well. Wait, what am I saying, all these ships can pvp if they are in the wrong hands. Everyone in starfleas and you must make a 2 page pr thread for any ship purchase because somone might rp poorly in one of these and gank me.

Hold on.... if any gun beside the justice mk1 is easily purchased people might mount them and pvp other guys in starfeas.... just yesterday I saw this one starflea attack like 5 people with no warning at all... I was like wth and all he did was ignore me. I say ban all weapons of any kind unless they post something on the forums showing they can have good rp.

WAIT! This one starflea was ramming........

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"I looked up and all I saw was green death"

[swift]

I don't think the actual standard for giving out caps would be that harsh.. Sheesh. What's with all the complaining, I do not know.
Like every time, we get the "Oh factions will want to restrict how we RP".
Or thinking that the standards will be madly huge.

Fact: -You-, who do RP, at least a bit, are -not- to be affected by such a change.
It's the same each time. All the self righteous defenders of the plebs, women, children, small forest animals, nature, and whatever is the trend exaggerate, panic, and over-theorize.

Can you honestly tell me that when you see a destroyer, cruiser, or battleship lolling around, killing Light Fighters, while not RPing at all, would not deserve it's ship privileges taken away?
Oh please.

And don't think for one second that you'd have to write pages of RP.
Not at all, I say.
The main argument'd be how you act in game.
I'd give out caps to anyone who proves they have at least very basic skills in English, RP at least a bit, and can name their captain and first mate.
Then, I'd only take them away from people who are proven to abuse them on a regular basis.
Tell me one argument against that. Hm? Go go go?

And as for the... "Every ship can be abused." sentence.
Yes, precisely, absolutely, sure it can.
But. What you forget is that a capital ship, and nay, a group of capital ships, can do much much more damage than a few fighters can.
Plus, RPing a capital ship is a harder task than RPing a simple fighter.
And to preempt the "Bomberswarm oorp people" arguers, what's the logic in having to work for two hours to have one hour of decent ingame activity?

To preempt the faction - indie conflict enflamers, since applying for these things would be public and fully transparent, as well as taking them away, I don't see one single way of this getting abused.
Faction prejudices an indie and doesn't give him his cap because of personal reasons? The admins/community/eager to defend injustice people like n00bl3t for instance rise up against them as soon as they see it.
Faction caps misbehave? Anyone files evidence of repeated abuse and they get taken away too.

Anyways, this:

Having to work for two hours to have one hour of decent ingame activity?

Why not simply have all three of those hours in-RP?
Ain't a place I'd like to hang around. And if the trend of things continues, I don't see the community stagnating, nor improving, but degrading in quality, and I see people leaving in the future.


One argument against this, please?

Oh I forgot. You'll just ignore me.

But seriously people.. Don't be utterly pessimistic and refuse possible solutions to problems we have.

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[Varyag]

With my spam I was trying to make a certain point: Everything gets abused.

Singling out caps only works because they are big and have big guns. I would say, however, that is is far harder to take out a lolwutting bomber or lf as apossed to caps. It is true that crayon munchers are drawn to them for 1337 reasons but it doesn't last long for them once the bomber swarm makes them with they were in a starflea again.

Biggest reason this type of thread gets my and the people like me's attention, they don't solve anything. These things turn into a whine fest and the people who do "cap" within reason are just made to do more work. There is nothing short of making all caps locked on the lost battlestar that is going to prevent the people whom you do not like from getting them.

Like I have said before, lead by example. Instead of //omguareoutofrpnoob them, you should show them the way. The "lolwutters" will get tired of them caps and fall away. The good will stay and add to our little world here. The admins can't do everything and restricting them makes a new load of paperwork when we can just handle it as every day players without personally approving every players role playing abilities.

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"I looked up and all I saw was green death"

[swift]

I am in amazing disagreement with you, but you used the term 'Crayon munchers', so you're all right.

Anyways.
You've been here a long time, much longer than me. And if it is like it always was ever since I got here, there was always a constant supply of lolcaps.
Where one falls, two new ones rise.

And I don't see why it'd create more work for the admins, since they'd hop in only if it gets abused.
And I don't see how it makes good players work more, since all they have to do is not say lol in system chat and rape light fighters with their battleships.
They don't have to do anything fancier than saying:
"My name is *, I'd like to be granted command of ship *.
I have served in * for a long time, and think the time has come.
* will be my first mate on the ship, and I plan to equip it with 100 other crewmen."
And then go ingame, play, and not pull any nerve wrecking stunts.

And I don't think we're handling it. Tell people who get raped by 4 dreadnoughts how we're handling it.
Tell me how we're handling it when my reputation drops because of lolcaps I can't make stop attacking a fighter who's in duel with me.
Tell me how we're handling it when they ruin an hour long time of RP which is getting capped(Ooh, wrong word choice perhaps.) off with a nice fight.

I don't see it getting handled at all.

And as for leading by example, I'd like you to know that I didn't just go and hop on here on the whiner bandwagon.
I sincerely did and do try to show everyone the better way. But some people do not want to learn.
Frankly, 70% of those lolcaps are people I recognize as constant abusers, and they always ignore me when I try to speak to them, and they do not heed RP at all.

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