I'm not a stone wall...just stubborn as hell...before, you've mentioned a friend of yours from iraq & your mom fleeing east germany...what does that have to do with you apart from the stories she or he tells you?
You are not from east Germany or iraq & aside from stories you've heard 2nd hand, do you feel any real patriotic obligations to iran or germany (even more specifically a part of germany that doesn't even exist anymore?
That part of germany still exists. Its just not called DDR anymore.
The story + point was that neither of them liked the regime, to the point of leaving their homes and they gave more oposition to those regimes than most people in the west did, but both people felt patriotic towards their home and the people they knew, and were not ready to let some guy who nothing about it attack people that my mom and my friend knew with their generalizations and prejudices. Its normal behavior, in my opinion.
It was an analogy to dissidents (gaians) who may disagree on a certain policy of a government, but it doesnt mean that those dissidents see the whole country and every aspect of it as their enemy. (kinda like people who dont like Obama or who dont like Bush dont necessarily consider all the USA their enemy, or like Bin Laden probably doenst consider all of Saudi ARabia his enemy)
just ignore that I mistyped one letter...it's the nature of the beast in a huge culture that sees no real difference...so, anyway, what does any of what you say about either country have anything to do with you apart from what appears to be simple antidotes from others?
well - you already know my reasoning - especially on the design part of gaian gear.
bretonian ships are made by bretonian companies at bretonian shipyards. - these companies come up with a specific design that acts several ways - cause they found it to be efficient and suited for the roles the ships need to play - and so they can be distinguished from other ships ( like flags in ancient battles or uniforms - before soldiers tried to hide behind camo suits )
the "fish" design is a trademark of these companies - they combine what the police and army needs - and their hull structure speaks of what can be maintained at their facilities. - bretonian ships show nailed down heavy armour plates - like knights armour.
now - would gaians use the same design?
i don t think so - cause firstly - they don t work at those shipyards, nor have to agree with the same design. until now - they used the liberty based eagle design - which is like the old VW beetle - ( can be maintained everywhere )
about new designs. - regarding to the lore gaians would not expect much help from their bretonian roots, even if they sometimes recruit engeneers - they lack the facilities to really develope a ship. - thats where the closest "ally" steps in - which would be the corsairs actually ..... but since the corsairs are like too far away - and many gaians would probably not even know where crete is - kusari or the FA and the FAs connections do the job.
kusari is one big pot of factions - which is not too easy for a foreigner to understand. - criminals and lawfuls are not as easily distinguishable like in liberty. - but the point is .... kusari has a great interest in bretonia... and the kusari / bretonian war has raged for quite some time now - without significant results ( up to recently ).
so like the bretonians deployed a faction like the QCP to weaken the enemy lines from within - kusari has extended a hand to the gaians to do practicly the same. - the difference is ... QCP are foreign, gaians are native - the result is meant to be similar though.
QCP is under direct control of the bret goverment - and so they enjoy the selection of bretonian gear. gaians are of course not under control of anyone - so they don t use kusari gear - BUT ... and thats the point of it...
kusari assisted them in building their own gunboat - based on the kusari GB.
it is much larger - it is slower, has a less efficient energy core and no military weapons ( no front gun ). - but for the gaians, its a perfect tool to disrupt inner-bretonian trade.
now - the frame and the internals are kusari based.... but there is the problem with maintaining - so the hull is made by bretonian parts - rounded a little and basicly based on the "nailed down armour plates" and not the modular based armour plate puzzle of kusari ships.
that is why the gunboat has its roots in kusari - shows more kusari design than bretonian design. - since i came up with that concept when making the GB - it makes perfect sense to me - and i still haven t read a single argument that would make me think that gaians should rather employ bretonian fish designs over kusari boat designs.
Design-wise I share your POV 100% Jinx (although I've readily invited desenting opinions lately cause my opinions are really just one of many) What you have created with the Claymore has a huge & logical influence on what the Gaian aesthetic should be, & I personally have latched onto it with open arms. (I remember the original GB you made) & the pre-.85 redux you created to replace it was absolutely PERFECT... & to this day, it has more to do with changing the way I imagine the Gaians than you probably know...thank you for that:cool:
The Gaian VHF that has been up in the air for so long is also a real inspiration, as it illustrates a logical update of the aesthetic you've created already & you have given a true baseline to build on for future shipline desires.
(indecently, when us Gaians make phallis jokes about the gunboat, it's only as a term of endearment...all the words from the rest need to always be ignored)
...incedently, We in the NLH have been arguing & voting about the Claymore recently as a result of your Mk2 submission, & although I'm no longer the end all-be all 'bottom liner' in my faction, I'm fighting tooth & nail for maintaining the current design. It already rocks beyond measure & base aesthetic shouldn't be thrown away just cause another option shakes its ass at us.
Again, Thank you...though I'm not sure even latin has the words to express my thanks of the inspiration you've provided thus far:cool:
now - the FA and gaians are allies. so maybe we will see gaians AND FA using black dragons AND gaian VHF.
personally - i do not like the black dragon - which is just a matter of taste. - but the gaian vhf would probably feature different stats than the black dragon.
i m not sure about it yet - so maybe the NLH can come to a concept idea for it....
like heavy VHF, light VHF, HF or whatever .... i m open for any ideas there... currently, it has like eagle stats. but mostly cause i m lazy and copy pasted them.
@The_Scarlet_Pimpernel: At first I thought you were just trying fiercely to state your opinion (which is different from the opinions of 80% of the people who have posted in this thread), but ignoring those truthful 80% and yabbing on despite what's put in front of you does not do you any good and makes you lose your reputation...or at least the rep of this forum account of yours. I doubt you're a new player, you're too...quarellsome for that:)
I recommend you start playing a Gaian, think of a background story, play with that story in mind, and play it GOOD. You'll get the grasp of it and I'm sure your views on the cultural & patriotic grasp will change.
A very good example for all the fuss about pertaining original culture: AMERICA. The colonists came from other countries, yet does the majority of today's Americans pertain the original culture of their ancestors who moved there long ago? I beg to differ.
My 2-cents summary:
* The original Gaians were largely BRETONIAN roots, (a fragment of them could have been from other houses, you know, students studying and scientists working abroad)
* The original Gaians, as all the others that followed, had their citizenships revoked because of being eco-terrorists and enemies of the Crown
* Gaians born on stations have NO ties to the Bretonian government and no grasp of Bretonian culture besize what their parents/grandparents had told them
* Gaians from a nationality point of view are MULTINATIONAL - many in their ranks are Kusarians, former Corsairs, etc etc.
So no, we are not Bretonian. We are Gaian.
*wanders off away, shaking his head and trying to ignore the K4rl0tt4 alarm going wild inside his head*
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