Ending the Capship Issue(and more)

[Rabid_American]

Give me a break, the OORP cap whorege in disco is getting worst by the day.
You undock from crete, or Manhatan, to witness a marvel, 6 BSs having a tea party...

yea I don't even go to New York anymore because of that everytime I do it seems like 3 cap ships always come out of nowhere spouting out nonsense when they shouldn't even be in that system..

Another problem I have is if you come within 15k of them and try to RP..Me being in a VHF and them in a destoyer or cruiser..its a pretty damn slim chance I am gonna be able to beat them unless I can stall them til help arrives. However instead of being gracious and RPing with me a bit before the battle they storm me and start shooting while I am writing to them half the time they didn't even acknowledge anything they just start shooting.. to me that is OORP even KoS should atleast say engaging or targeting..rather than running up and shooting you when your typing or ave you back turned.

I use a BH gunship on my BH character but I will RP and usually(unless its a bomber) let them take the first shot if they are in any type of fighter... and a gunship isn't all that strong compared to a VHF you can take the shields down pretty quickly.

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[Eternal]

Cap ships are like LFs right? the shipyards just shoot them out one by one...
it's not like they take ages to build or tons of resources...
no... i think it's just two plates of metal and a handful of deuterium..

Give me a break, the OORP cap whorege in disco is getting worst by the day.
You undock from crete, or Manhatan, to witness a marvel, 6 BSs having a tea party...

And then they decide to go invade somewhere that is so out of that NPC faction's ZoI, that if it will be further away it will be that much closer to the begining.

I'm sorry, but monitoring of cap ships is needed, or this server will soon go down to cap ship PvP server insted of Disco RP server, and that my friends, will be a sad day indeed.
Cause when you fly in space and suddenly come across 5 BSs of a hostile faction just roaming around aimlessly, shooting whatever they stumble upon... what can i say, it ruins the whole experience for me..
and i know this applies to many more players as well.

EDIT: And as for OORP bomb whoring.. please... If you have a handful of BSs just flying around threatning you or your faction, or a "renegade" BS caption, RP wise you will send your bombers to deal with them as soon as possible, so i don't see any oorp here.

Empty words.

When people read your post , they will imagine that Crete , Malta , Manhatten and what ever else , are fulled with tens of thausands of BS's who are just looking for something to destroy.

You just seem to be incompitent enough to believe your own words. I'm possitive that you have NEVER witnessed that and it's just absurd to think that people will do such a thing.

As for the bomber whoring.

If your side of the "blade" is to be taken , then why not see our side. When there is one bomber and he gets atacked by a BS , thats cap. whoring. When there are 2 bombers , they kill the BS. So that means , that we can't realy do anything in those ships ? If we atack something smaller then us , that is whoring and when we are killed by millions of stupid bomber pilots , folowed by " gf , lolz , pwnd " that is correct RP ?

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[Akumabito]

and was the other navy ships from navy or personnal,owned by 1 person.

No. nor were any owned by the Navy technically, so I guess your point is that military factions like the RM don't have any control in RP over cap ships either, that the civilian government has the final say.

However there was a time, when pirates and national conflict were a major problem (as they are in the game) that privately owned warships ruled the waves in the form of privateers and the like.


There is a lot of historical precedence for privately owned warships, and you can bet that if pirates today were as bad as pirates in freelancer that warships would be common among those that had the means and plied the seas.

[Eppy]

If there are 60 BS's having a tea party outside crete, how is that cap whorage?

Somewhere along the lines we reached the consensus that a general ration of 4:1 should be ideally maintained between Capital ships and Fighter/Bombers; otherwise it could be construed as capwhoring. Not only is that more Battleships than I have ever seen Corsairs online (twice as many, in fact, I've only seen 27 Corsairs on the server at any one time), it is more than a quarter of the server's possible population, hence guaranteeing that under any circumstance, if sixty Legates and Osirises appear above Crete it is automatically capwhoring.

Buddy, the reason the LSF would bother a capship in Liberty is because if they don't automatically recognize it it's probably hostile. In real life there wouldn't BE independent capital ships, and yes, even if you were in a smaller craft you'd be asked what you were doing entering the territorial waters of the Unites States. In fact, if you have any sense you'll file a plan beforehand so you don't get detained...

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Quick comment - we thought that Panzer was the Leader, Swift. -Agmen

Which Dreadnought was that?

One of your nine.

[Akumabito]

yea I don't even go to New York anymore because of that everytime I do it seems like 3 cap ships always come out of nowhere spouting out nonsense when they shouldn't even be in that system..

I spend a lot of time in NY and don't see that. You sure you are on the same server as everyone else?

[sovereign]

I spend a lot of time in NY and don't see that. You sure you are on the same server as everyone else?

It doesn't always happen, and they might have been killing a Xeno fighter or something. It's getting a little better as they are shown how powerful fighters are, and will improve more as Liberty enforces new policy.

Corsairs are fixing their stuff too. If you don't believe there are Gamma capwhores, check the threads in flood, one of them has a perfect example.

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[Akumabito]

Somewhere along the lines we reached the consensus that a general ration of 4:1 should be ideally maintained between Capital ships and Fighter/Bombers; otherwise it could be construed as capwhoring.

So what you are saying is that capwhoring is a ratio issue, and not necessarily a Role Play issue, right?

Gosh, all this fuss by you over a non RP issue that is pretty much meanigless.:)

Buddy, the reason the LSF would bother a capship in Liberty is because if they don't automatically recognize it it's probably hostile.

If it's a liberty ship with a liberty ID that allows cap ships, it's not hostile, it's friendly, just like if I'm in Task Force 70 and we dock in a harbor with ships from Task Force 76.

It doesn't always happen

In fact it rarely happens anywhere. It's a non issue, but it's a good excuse for a power grab by a few who want to dictate the server to everyone else.

[ryoken]

OMG this is a game people. Rule's make thing's fun for some, unfun for other's
RP is in the eye of the beholder.
Faction's are sometime's a way for a power whore to get what he want's. IE a player who has been in disco for less then a week can join...... Lets say LSF(no ofence intended) and suddenly he can run around saying he is the law, and yelling at a player who has been here a year with a BS, who may not have seen the no cap's in LIBERTY rule recently put out to leave or die. Then suddenly the BS is killed by many other ship's, and fun for the vet is gone while the noob run's around yelling pawned.
This game is "freelancer". Problem is if you are a "freelancer" you have no right's of were you can go,what you can do,what ship you fly, and so on and so on. Someone WILL show up saying you are ooRP/not allowed here/not allowed to have that ship/weapon's/cargo/name.............need i go on?

I have been here well over a year, and have seen faction's come and go.some good RP some not.
Personally i would love to get about 15 player's together, and make a faction called "CAP WHORES". Then have the whole faction go from system to system with all the you cannot do/fly/carry/say that rules, and wipe them all out. OH look all the LSF/SA have died, no law in NY for next 4 hour's/ OR look we killed all of the corsair faction ship's in Gamma, we are now the new leader's here. no corsair's for 4 hour's,and so on and so on.

Now that would cause flame's, but if they "RP'd" the faction, and got "faction status" what would you all do?
I know exactly what you would do. You would all yell those rule's are unfair/unfun/ooRP, and so on and so on.




ARRGGGG all this Faction's can do what ever, to who ever if they RP it properly is getting so annoying, and only the power monger's like it. And have even said if you do not like it, leave/join the faction/join the opposing faction for revenge/make your own faction..........

Does anyone get what i am saying here in my "FLAME" "RANT" "ARGUMENT" or whatever else i am sure it will be called. Anyone?

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[Reverend Del]

Whether you like the idea or not, the fact is that capital ships are being restricted by official factions, as it's not against server rules to do so, there isn't much an individual person can do. The general community consensus is that flying around a battleship all day every day is simply a bad thing unless there is suitable roleplay. Mon'Star for example is an Indy who flies his capital ship around whenever he's online, but there's so much back story there it would be unthinkable for anyone to say he couldn't do it. As for the rest it's not that you can't fly the capital ship around, it's that you are asked to provide at least some RP for it, more for battleships. Is that difficult? Maybe for some but there are always folks willing to help you build up that RP.

I myself am about to ask all Independent Rogue capital class vessels to pick another base to launch from other than Buffalo, I'm not going to restrict where they can go or who can use them, just that they respect that Buffalo base is not set up for re-arming and repairing capital class vessels owing to the high volume of Outcast, Hacker and Rogues that pass through it on a daily basis.

Akumabito whilst you may not see much of the capital ships that wander aimlessly through Liberty hunting any passing unlawful, and frankly vice versa. I do. I experience quite alot on both my LR and my XA characters. Rarely a day goes by when I undock my fighters or bombers and don't find myself being chased by a battlecruiser or two or three. It exists believe me. The same exists for the lawfuls, the existence of so many capital class vessels is due to the fact that at one time you couldn't fly through New York without being picked on by an Outcast Destroyer with either a Rogue or Hacker ID, and often times those ships would terrorise manhattan orbit for hours at a time with no reprieve.

The capital restrictions will stay until the majority of the community feel that it is no longer necessary. But until that time if you want to fly a capital class vessel just make sure it's okay with whichever faction controls the production facility for that craft. It may take a paragraph or two of RP, but as I said before is that really so difficult?

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[Ors]

Empty words.

When people read your post , they will imagine that Crete , Malta , Manhatten and what ever else , are fulled with tens of thausands of BS's who are just looking for something to destroy.

You just seem to be incompitent enough to believe your own words. I'm possitive that you have NEVER witnessed that and it's just absurd to think that people will do such a thing.

As for the bomber whoring.

If your side of the "blade" is to be taken , then why not see our side. When there is one bomber and he gets atacked by a BS , thats cap. whoring. When there are 2 bombers , they kill the BS. So that means , that we can't realy do anything in those ships ? If we atack something smaller then us , that is whoring and when we are killed by millions of stupid bomber pilots , folowed by " gf , lolz , pwnd " that is correct RP ?

If you want some screen shots i will be happy to give them to you.
me launching from Crete and witnessing a fleet of 7 BSs and dreadnoughts
going in delta and seeing 6 BH BSs just cruising around looking for something to killl, or me launching from manhatan just to see 2 carriers a dreadnaught and 2 BCs.

As for my compitence and my ability to believe what i'm writing, i believe what i witness with my own eyes, and it is stated above.

You know what they say about ppl with over confidence?
I suggest you be less confident about things you don't know about, such as me.

If you can RP a cap ship, be my guest, do it, if you had bothered to even read half the stuff i wrote and not go heads on flaming, you would of read that as far as i see it, if you can RP and do RP a BS, than have it, fly it, do whatever you feel like.

As for the last part, when 6 BSs jump a VHF, excuse me, that is Cap whoring, period.
What can a VHF even do to 1 BS? and why would there be a fleet of 6 BSs just flying around? please, do tell..