Judicial Order

[Trail]

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but you are not going to be able to turn into a sirius wide police faction. You are also not going to be able to get your own Capital ship line (if you are still persuing that) just like that. A lot of your history seems powergamey in which you force yourself into existing parts of disco holes history. If you get official that will indeed be your history but if you consider the criticism you are getting here about it, it is most likely that it is more of an anchor to your officialdom.

What I do think you can end up as is a bounty hunter faction. So perhaps you should stylize yourself as a 5 house bounty hunter faction since that is the only way you can really try and accomplish your goals

Since you cant be a Sirius police force, with capships, TLAGSnet and be a UN peace force.

What you should try to figure out is which ID you want to use, where you want to take this faction and if you want your own ID is to figure out what you want on it. Figure out what your duties are inRP when you do get official. If you do not have any ideas on what you want to do (or are doing nothing right now) why would an ID or stamp of approval change that?

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[St.Denis]

Apparently you guys are hostile to the Rheinland Lawfuls. You should edit your page to reflect this.

I have answered this question in a previous post (within this thread). We are not hostile to RM Forces. There are two names on our Bounty Board, both part of RM, and this is because they have on a few occasions attacked the Judges.

You should also find yourself a reason to shoot at Rheinland Lawfuls that is permissible by the server rules. As far as I can see, you have not joined any relevant bounty boards, nor have you been seen being hired to do so.

I haven't seen a response to this yet

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See answer above.

[quote='Narcotic' pid='1301468' dateline='1361835997']
I fail to see anything about your group's zone of influence. And since I've seen a handful of you guys in Omicron-99 the other day - I wondered what your true place is. Unless some IC infectees activated a Nomad Gate aboard the Newark, which collapsed in upon itself and dragged the whole station and nearby ships into Omicron-99 - I don't see any other reason for you being there.

On that note, what is your standing with the Nomads, since they aren't listed under hostile?

I have answered the question about Nomads (see within this thread!)

A bit sarcastic on his note (but in a funny way). Zone of Influence?

Difficult one this. I am sure that we would like to unite the 4 Main Houses. I am also sure that I have mentioned the idea of being a UN like force! I will leave this up to your imagination!
Sarcasm stings a bit, doesn't it?

'Hasteric' pid='1302742' dateline='1362073195']
Hours of activity are no measure of quality. Also, to be blunt, most of your members seem to be relatively new players. This is no false claim - I've roleplayed / spoken to a fair number, and quite a few of them are clearly very new to roleplay. That's not a problem, mind you. With guidance they'll get better. It's only good that you're guiding them.

However, that leads to this: your faction has many - active - members, and thus many hours of activity. And yes, a great amount of that activity is sitting on Newark. You can't deny that. I applaud any efforts to reduce that "hobby", however.

I am sure that we have said that we are trying to change this 'image'. Hence expeditions to Delta, O-99 and many more. Do we need to post every time we leave Newark?

Now, as for your lore.. The main issue I take with it is that you're retconning lore and establishing yourself as a powerful, mighty faction, even though there has been no mention of your existence in the past. Slightly awkward. It also clashes with other factions' lore (Ageira, for one), and it would be wiser for you to discuss your plans with them first, and see if you can find a middle road everyone can agree with.

I cannot see where we are claiming that we are a powerful, all mighty faction. The Post at the beginning of this thread says that we have become forgotten/myth. We had lost our base, the information it held and as a force were nearly wiped out! We are trying to rebuild! So how are we a Mighty Force?

I am sure within the Lore stated at the beginning of this thread
What I would personally suggest is that, if you truly wish to be the "UN of Sirius" - establish yourself now / a year ago, when your faction actually was founded. Build contacts. Instead of changing existing lore and doing so in a fashion that greatly benefits your in-roleplay "power" as a faction, set your faction up ingame. The UN was founded in real life. If you believe it could be founded in Sirius, do so now, instead of claiming it "already happened 500 years ago".

Just my two cents.

Read the Lore. It doesn't state that a UN like force was set up 500 years ago. This is something we are trying to set up now!

'Judge Logan' pid='1302853' dateline='1362090504']
And now we are all newbies? We have members including myself who started RP with D&D in 1973. Were most of you even alive then? Shall we provide references or perhaps a resume to convince you that you are not only wrong, but actively insulting?

The self righteous arrogance displayed by a small population to a faction trying to become official is deeply disappointing. It also seems some folks have trouble reading English. Go back and re-read the admission, then read the entire history of Disco, as we DID. Then determine how you would fit into the open spots. We are TRYING. You are NOT.

Sounds a bit arrogant himself, going on about playing original D&D.

I am afraid I cannot presume to answer for Logan but sometimes people resort to arrogance when confronted with arrogance.

I'm not trying to sound aggressive or hateful at all. I'm trying to help, like many others are.

I'll say it again, I'm trying to help. It doesn't do you any good to be snarky.

My main issue here is that you seem to be ignoring a lot of good suggestions. Because it doesn't matter if the person is smart, dumb, a troll, etc. After all, it's the Discovery Gaming Community. You need to LISTEN to people, admit when you are wrong, and change accordingly. They don't need to listen to you since it's not their faction request that is on the line. I agree, there shouldn't be flaming, but having a response/fix for and problems is good to have.

Also, ignoring people like Echo 7-7 by claiming you don't have to respond to him is a bad decision. He's part of the development team and therefore people, especially Admins, listen to him. And it's the Admins who vote whether or not you actually become official.

I'm not trying to sound aggressive or hateful at all. I'm trying to help, like many others are.

Your main issue is that we are ignoring a lot of good suggestions. Please can you point out the GOOD suggestions in the first 4 pages before your post.
1) You spend too much time camping at Newark - Why are you in O-99 then in CR space? Which one of these?
2) You shouldn't train inRP, that is what Conn is for (previous threads) - Why are you training in Conn? you can't RP there! Which of these?
3) Change your ID - question: Which one would suit our purpose? None exist!

Do I need to go on? Maybe you can tell us whose opinions we should listen.

The statements quoted above are of use, if you're willing to listen. I'll aslo say this again;

Because it doesn't matter if the person is smart, dumb, a troll, etc. After all, it's the Discovery Gaming Community.

I don't presume to answer for the other Judges and I would prefer if you allow other people to speak without you presuming what they want to say unless they have elected you be spoke person. Last I knew there was something like 11000+ members of this forum (these are the community).

Opinions are like a certain part of the Human Anatomy that is used for excrement - Everyone has one!

There is no need to get nasty at me here.

I am sorry if you thought I was aiming this at you. I wholeheartedly apologise if it cause you any discomfort. It was a statement in that if you ask 50 experts a question then you could possibly receive 50 different opinions. Everybody has an opinion about everything. This is a problem that I see in the Forums when the threads state that the Devs/Admins don't listen to anybody. Hence the statement previously 'You can please some of the people some of the time but not all the people all the time'. Also 'you are damned if you do and you are damned if you don't!'

Ignoring people like Echo7-7'. His first real response to our thread was so full of sarcasm and arrogance that any natural person would just ignore it. As I said in my first post we don't object to criticism and suggestions but constructive comments are received better than sarcasm and arrogance.

He, like a normal person, got a bit frustrated. He's spent a lot of time on this mod and I guess he sorta went overboard. But he still has a point, so don't ignore it if you want to be the better person.

I am, surprisingly, a normal person and I get frustrated at things (in game and out of game). I have answered to the best of my ability to answer points within this thread without resorting to sarcasm, arrogance, being condescending and being effectively rude to people by pointing out spelling mistakes (English isn't everybodies first language and do you speak/write their language as they do ours?) etc. (my little sarcasm above was just to prove a point) and I have apologised for seemingly upsetting somebody, unintentionally, above. For people who know me I can be very cutting with my sarcasm, but here I am least trying to be civil.

We have tried answering any questions that have come our way and even tried admitting that we didn't get everything right and we have/are changing things within our group.

As for RP I have seen Official Factions do Preset Message 1 then 2 and then shoot. I suppose it is another form of RP not one that I enjoy but, hey, they enjoy themselves!

As a member of a few official factions, I have never seen another member use preset messages, except for orders in group chat during combat. This is rather off topic though, let's return to the Judges.

I am happy to agree to disagree on this point.

Anyway, this should shed some light on what I meant. Again, I'm trying to help, so take it as you will.

Hopefully I have answered some of yours and other peoples queries. And as a parting shot at sarcasm 'I wish i was half as infallible as some of the people in this world think they are'!

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'I would like to be half as clever as some people like to believe they are'
Life is full of disappointments, it is how we handle them that helps to define us, as a person

[Exploration]

I don't quite understand the hate i see toward the Judges, all most of you seem to do is post Negative comments. Yes after all its a community, but your supposed to post up a decent amount of Positive comments/suggestions too, and the spelling mistakes people are complaining about, i mean, really. Then the just commenting bad things because the person before you did, oh come on.

Seriously, everyone in here needs to cool down, big time.

[Thyrzul]

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When I first read this post I was in a hurry, unable to reply, although I wanted to. By the time I would have been able to, the content of the post got deleted. I would like to ask you to PM me (from your own account, not from the alt) to settle some things as I think many of your claims from the original post needs correction.

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[Vrabcek]

I believe you can add Wilds to the hostile list since you decided to shoot at us.

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[SA_Scavenger]

If the Judges want my suggestion, it would be to scrap the idea of being a Judicial outfit right from the get go of the Alliance fleeing to Sirius. It's just way too hard to try to fit in a faction with that amount of power into the story line. Instead, try to make a new Judiciary from 800 AS and onwards based on fairness and the uniting of the houses. Which, as some have noted, is an impossible task but a noble one nevertheless. Perhaps you can choose the Bounty Hunters ID and police ID for Liberty and work for Liberty and Bretonia, until such a time as your faction is accepted as official, and work from there, taking bounties and so forth and also taking trips out to the Omicrons and Omegas to hunt pirates there to earn a reputation with the houses.

Just my two cents.

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[Friendly-Freelancer]

I believe you can add Wilds to the hostile list since you decided to shoot at us.

Oh? From what I saw I was doing RP and you wanted me killed because I tried to run away and you Insisted that you where going to 'Kill me for the goals'. Try and RP and that's what you get for trying to RP. instead of sitting on Newark...


Judge-Tomb.

P.s Thank you for the feed back from everyone It being Good or bad.

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[Vrabcek]

I believe you can add Wilds to the hostile list since you decided to shoot at us.

Oh? From what I saw I was doing RP and you wanted me killed because I tried to run away and you Insisted that you where going to 'Kill me for the goals'. Try and RP and that's what you get for trying to RP. instead of sitting on Newark...


Judge-Tomb.

We were talking with you, there came an unarmored Red Hessian saying he wants to kill you etc...

[01.03.2013 20:42:05] Fritz_Hauber: They fight in force... Herr Seele... and no. I wish them dead

He was given the chance to do it, but you tried to run instead, we shot the lane and you tried to cheapshot the one who done it and who stood still.

We didnt really come to you to shoot you, but we were looking forward to have a nice interraction with someone new to us, sadly it ended how it ended.

A pity. There was no reason to shoot at us...

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[Friendly-Freelancer]

Well from what I gathered, you and the Hessian where trying to 'Tag team' my fighter before the fight even started. Sure was awesome RP with the Wilde, but Don't like how after the Hessian gets involved you decide NOT to let the lone Fight who was going to talk with the RM go, instead you decide to down the lane. after I hit the gate, I got no problem how that turn out, Was fun got the Judges assisting. beside, what happen to 'all Judge's 'SIT/AFK' on Newark, I don't see it.

P.s But the engagement was fun tho Loved RP with a Wilde for the first time

(Goes back to eating his sandwich)

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[Vrabcek]

01.03.2013 20:42:55] Wilde.Seele: "Say, would you be interested in killing that Judge?"
[01.03.2013 20:43:09] Wilde.Zweifel: If you want to make peace, you should start right now
[01.03.2013 20:43:15] Fritz_Hauber: Herr... "Tomb"... Will soon be calling his brother. I want to see him gone, just as you do Herr Seels
[01.03.2013 20:43:16] Judge-Tomb: *Annie grins*
[01.03.2013 20:43:19] Wilde.Zweifel: *he points at the Red Hessian*
[01.03.2013 20:43:25] Fritz_Hauber: //*brothers
[01.03.2013 20:43:27] Wilde.Vardogr: There can be no peace with the Hessians
[01.03.2013 20:43:35] Judge-Tomb: ***AI: That would not be wise.***
[01.03.2013 20:43:37] Wilde.Seele: "Ja, kill him then, before her brothers and sisters arrive."
[01.03.2013 20:43:48] Fritz_Hauber: You wish us to fight?
[01.03.2013 20:43:54] Wilde.Seele: "Ja, kill her."
[01.03.2013 20:43:56] Wilde.Zweifel: Do it
[01.03.2013 20:44:06] Wilde.Seele: "Now!"
[01.03.2013 20:44:08] Fritz_Hauber: Come at me... Annie
[01.03.2013 20:44:37] Wilde.Zweifel: So you are a liar
[01.03.2013 20:44:47] Judge-Tomb: ***AI: No.***
[01.03.2013 20:44:51] Wilde.Zweifel: yes you are
[01.03.2013 20:44:59] Wilde.Zweifel: you were given the chance to make peace
[01.03.2013 20:44:59] Wilde.Vardogr: To fire on us is to die, judge
[01.03.2013 20:45:03] Wilde.Zweifel: and you ran away...
[01.03.2013 20:45:06] Judge-Tomb: ***AI: I just dont want to die today, if you attack me first.***
[01.03.2013 20:45:12] Wilde.Zweifel: Hessian, kill her now
[01.03.2013 20:45:21] Fritz_Hauber: I shall... if you slow her

Why should we get our hands dirty if the humans can kill themselfs alone?
The Red Hessian was told to shoot you and you were told to shoot the Red Hessian. We did not pick any side until you shot at us.
But I am not commenting your roleplay or any behavior here, I am just explaining why you should put wilds in the hostile list.

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