If you had problems with any of this, then you should have brought it up sooner. Now? Now it's too late.
Battles have been fought, the lines have been drawn, and I, for one, am not changing in the middle of the war. Seriously guys, why now all of a sudden? This is the third battle we've had, and all three times have worked wonderfully! "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!"
It's quiet, coordinated, to RP, and the participants are having fun. Just because you can't get anything similar set up with your own factions does not give you the right to butt in on ours. Now, back off and let it be.
This is the real true story of rock and roll; it was not about anything more then, how to live your life, as a gangster, in sartorial splendor, and turning the world into a place where normality would never return again...- Malcolm McLaren
If the sides get to complicated, then the war becomes too administrative.
Also, Dab has a reputation for being involved in and causing flames. No offense intended, I am just stating what I see or have seen. This has, so far, been a flameless war. The first battles have been mainly to iron our the kinks and small issues, such as reinforcements and the best times to have a battle so we can have massive ones that include as many people from both sides as it can.
As Kane says, If it ain't broke, dont fix it.
Every single war usually ends in flames: SCRA=AW, HF=SA, SF=AW etc.
We want to change that and have a clean war, possibly the first in a very long time.
Your forgetting I don't usually cause those flames, people seem to flame me quite regularly. Such as calling me a torp spammer when I fought RM last time. I hadn't said anything out of RP, but withing 30 seconds of the end of the fight, I'm receiving Private chats from DBoy's RM char calling me a spammer.
Wraith wasn't going to be constantly switching sides. It seems no one has understood a single thing I wrote. Wraith will be fighting whoever has the upper hand, but we will NOT be helping the other side. If the side with the upper hand dies and we're still alive, we'd still turn around and shoot them to. Its 3-way not 2-way with one group changing sides.
Also, I'm not saying its broken. I was told I could be in it, and I said myself that Wraith would not be participating in the beginning stages of the war, as we want Corsairs to have a foothold in Rheinland so that they actually have a chance to hurt the Rheinland Military who are the Bundschuh's main opposition.
And McNeo, the SCRA/AW war flames were not caused by me. Since SCRA had a few people in that didn't like me, I made sure not to say anything out of RP or flaming. Now I don't remember if it was members of the AW or the SCRA that first started those flames, but it wasn't me personally. Anything I said about SCRA was either in-RP or to other AW members.
The flames with SA/HF were definitely not started by me as those flames started a long time ago, mainly when SA was run by Osorojo. Those flames were started by Osorojo and did not in any way involve me.
The flames between SF and AW were not large after Finius and Lancer left, as those two were the ones flaming. Those two admitted to disliking me and intentionally flaming me. And I didn't flame them back.
And TBH and AW has had almost no flaming at all go on, and most of it that has has been in-RP insults or taunts.
I'm sick of you slapping me with the blame over flames not started, and sometimes not even involving (HF/SA matter) me.
In my Wraith character, I have NOT flamed anyone out of RP for months. The last time I did flame someone in my Wraith it was someone who kept reengaging in a fight that was going on.
Your not trying to get me out of this war because you think I'll start flames, you want me out because you simply do not like me.
And your making my point with the SCRA matter. Your showing an RP that Majkp wrote about why SCRA is allowed in this war, and your using it to combat my use of Bundschuh's RP that would allow me into it. Even with SCRA's RP, the Bundschuh RP, the one that is built into the mod itself, still gives Wraith more right than SCRA. I'm not saying SCRA shouldn't be in this war, but I am saying that Wraith has just as much right as they do. Especially when Wraith is only one Sabre, since Tank Target cannot get on FL.
If things do degenerate into flames and its my fault, then I'll step out of the war for good, but I find it increasingly unfair that your trying to keep me out of this with the excuse that I'd cause flames, when you don't even know if I will or not. And then you turn and blame me for flames that were not started by me, and even situations that I wasn't even involved with (HF/SA).
I wasnt blaming you in particular for the flames in the wars I mentioned Dab, otherwise I would have said that you specifically caused them, which you didnt.
And, if the RM, TBH or SCRA dont want you in, you dont get in. Each side has a veto on the vote. To be honest, I dont have a personal bone to pick with you Dab. However, if either side doesn't want you in, you dont get in. Its that brutally simple.
Well, another battle finished. After 2 and a half hours, it came to a draw, with 3 RM fighters and 2 SCRA. Excellent fight everyone! Though, I don't think you'll be seeing a report on it... Unless you can find some RP way to explain how the RM and SCRA came to an agreement not to fight anymore after a server crashed. (I can't...:P)
It's already bordering on flames, Dab, and you aren't even involved yet. The two sides involved are having great fun, and you aren't particularly wanted to join in because flaming is expected.
Shame I couldn't be there. Glad to hear we didn't loose...:)
Anyway, if it was a draw, then we repeat the same scenario on friday - Corsairs defending Fulda against Rheinlanders' effort to retake it.
@Dab:
Yes it is true that I invited you (as Bundschuh) into this thread. But I didn't realise you're only one now. Imagine a great battle between Rheinlanders and Corsairs, lot's of ships, huge battles, now how would a small Bundschuh fighter wing get involved? I mean are they suicide to dare to enter such a battlezone when they can't be sure whether both of the sides don't start firing at them at the same time? As you know I already refused to include RHA (and they might play a big role there too), because that faction doesn't have a big player base yet. However I still agreed that including you and your 1 Wraith fighter from time to time could make it more interesting sometimes, and so we made a poll among the current event coordinators and I was probably the only one who voted yes.
It's true that current fights are absolutely flameless and all included parties are doing all they can to keep it that way. And it's also true then whenever AW or HF (and the people behind those factions) are included in some fights, it tends to end in flames. And I am not pointing a finger now, it's just a fact. So give me some time, and I'll try to convince them to try it at least once.
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