The Kusari State Police

[Ames Research Station]

-sniped better to be in the feedback part sorry-

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[Jack_Henderson]

Whenever I met the KSP guys, it was interesting and fun. Some interesting fights on my KSP indie, some wins some losses. Keep it up. It's high time that Kusari has a police force again that has faction rights.

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[Veygaar]

Alright, You've all voiced your opinions. Time for me to clear some of it up.

Caps: We have one, and three gunboats. TOTAL. Out of our 12ish active Memberbase, only three other than myself are Cap capable, two of whom prefer snubs.

You happened to be there with two gunboats when we were there with 2 gunboats and a Battlecruiser. Call it a coincidence.

Ganks: Don't like it? Don't pirate our space. That'd be the inrp reasoning no? The phrase 'Can't handle the heat, stay out of the kitchen' applies here. Admittedly because of our ganks, we have received some ganks in return. But when all is said and done, we've really enjoyed the big fights that ensued, even if we lost. It gives us the time to reflect on what we did wrong during the battles. It also gives us something to jokingly refer to in the future, such as the Kyushu war, a nickname we gave to a huge outcast incursion.

As for ooc hate via PMs. As i heard it, you did nothing but bitch about you getting ganked. You even made a sarcastic Kudos. Next time you come to Kusari looking for easy blues you'll get the same response. We're a police faction, not a free kill faction.

I'm not surprised the RR have such a bad reputation for this. You've let yourselves down by attempting to mitigate your anger into us looking foolish, and failing at it.

As the Battlecruiser pilot, you're right, I did stick to only those insults. Because I happen to have a character who is very biased against stupid outsider Gaijin, like your characters. She doesn't know much about you, so why would she go on further? Don't give me some convoluted rant about how my character lacks depth, when you've had -one- encounter with her, as a pirate attacking traders on a trade lane.
I'd also like to respectfully ask any further posts in this thread be ONTOPIC and kept to Productive Criticism rather than angry players who have seen what the law is capable of. We have a feedback thread seperate to this located HERE.
EDIT:
Forgot to mention, Timo decided he wanted to get a hatchet, because they're fun. So sue me.

Time for simplistic group evaluation:

WE don't mind ganks, we enjoy them.

YOU are the ones who got mad when we inRP made fun of you for it.
YOU are the ones who sent angry PMs.
YOU are the ones who made lulz ships to follow and troll us after we moved away.
YOU are the ones who have a bad reputation with getting angry.
YOU are the ones who took normal RP and decided to respond to it OORP via PMs.
YOU are the ones who are foolish, by thinking we are angered by "ganking" which we more than welcome to give and receive, and thusly claiming we're trying to mitigate a circumstance when we are simply stating that YOU went oorp when we inRPly made light a situation.

WE don't claim you're character lacks depth, stop making defenses to illusional attacks with you'd love to pin on us mate;)
WE ARE giving constructive criticism, which you are TRYING to blow off at trolling because YOU don't want to look bad.
WE are NOT looking for easy blues as you claim, we're pirating.

YOU are the ones LOOKING FOR BLUES (if we use your logic) because the last 3 encounters I've had with you it was 8 on 1 (7 snubs and a GB against a GB), 7 on 1 (6 snubs and a cruiser), and a Battlecruiser a Cruiser and a Gunboat on two Gunboats.... Yeah, we're totally looking for Blues... (btw, I don't mind if you are Blue hunting, but don't try to say you're not and we are, when it's the opposite in this situation.)

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So to sum it up:

YOU are, in my eyes, undeserving of Officialdom because of the following:

Lack of basic understanding between RP and OORP.

Lack of self control, which is necessary for a group with looks to become a role model for others. (the case where four of you're pilots made ships with lulzy names, using complete oorp system chat, all to troll us when we ran from you...)

Lack of the desire to take any hard criticism, and the desire to just pin such criticism off as "trolling".

The inability to maintain a professional standpoint while flying tagged vessel. (represented by angry PMs telling people to shut up, to screw off, that we're "cheaters", etc when we escape or post encounter.)

The lack of professional leadership when an issue is arrised. (Not going to name names, but I instantly got skype messages from a certain KSP higher up telling me to have people remove certain posts and to stop mentioning certain things mentioned in more detail now above. Starting his conversation with a claim that my feedback was because i was "butthurt" and that I was playing "5 year old games" and basically to just stop.)


These are the reasons I believe KSP does not deserve officialdom at this time.

I do enjoy the RP encounters we have, but not all the OORP junk that comes along with it.

I don't mind if they gank us, I enjoy that. (to clear up the point that you guys keep thinking we're mad about)

And that is all. Cheers.

EDIT- That Kudos was legit btw.

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Veygaar for Admin Moderator 2013!!!

[Thurgret]

Endless ranting against player groups fuelled by the angst the explosions of your virtual spaceships have caused? Where have I seen this before?

Guys, chill. They've got a group of players together. Cool. From what I'm reading, they have brought a bunch of activity to Kusari. Cool. They seem receptive to constructive criticism. And sure, it doesn't seem 'fair', but there's nothing inherently wrong about their use of overwhelming force. Rather than hating on them because you lost a virtual fight-- which, frankly, is precisely what a number of you are doing, however you try to dress it up and tack on other criticism-- perhaps you could step back, breathe, and play the game? Heck, what would you have been doing in Kusari in the first place other than flying through some empty space, if you hadn't run into them?

[latos]

*sigh* Okay here goes.

YOU are the ones who got mad when we inRP made fun of you for it.

I didn't get mad oocly. If you think I did you may want to relook at your point about ooc and inrp seperation.

YOU are the ones who sent angry PMs.

Personally I didn't. However I've been made aware of that situation and will deal with it accordingly.

YOU are the ones who made lulz ships to follow and troll us after we moved away.

Baseless accusation with no merit. Prove it.

YOU are the ones who have a bad reputation with getting angry.

This is only just now being made aware to me.

YOU are the ones who took normal RP and decided to respond to it OORP via PMs.

see previous similar point.

YOU are the ones who are foolish, by thinking we are angered by "ganking" which we more than welcome to give and receive, and thusly claiming we're trying to mitigate a circumstance when we are simply stating that YOU went oorp when we inRPly made light a situation.

See my first point. The action of one person, who has had to deal with your.... reputational actions... beforehand, and is now dealing with them again. Why should I take that point seriously?

WE don't claim you're character lacks depth, stop making defenses to illusional attacks with you'd love to pin on us mate

I like fighting you guys the few times we met. But one thing that bugs me is alot of you're members freak out when they get made fun of inRP, yet they stick to name calling (Gajin, Coward, Honorless Scum, etc) and have no after thought of that. Here's my advice, -don't- get mad if pirates are poking fun at you when they escape, or are being utterly overwhelmed, it's what Pirates do.

Get mad inRP, not oorp. Char =/= Player. This is a very fundamental yet important aspect of the game that needs to be practiced by all Disco players.

:dry:

YOU are the ones LOOKING FOR BLUES (if we use your logic) because the last 3 encounters I've had with you it was 8 on 1 (7 snubs and a GB against a GB), 7 on 1 (6 snubs and a cruiser), and a Battlecruiser a Cruiser and a Gunboat on two Gunboats.... Yeah, we're totally looking for Blues... (btw, I don't mind if you are Blue hunting, but don't try to say you're not and we are, when it's the opposite in this situation.)

Considering that this is the second time I'm aware you've been fighting against KSP officers, I refuse to acknowledge the prior quote is true on the counts of 7 on 1's and 8 on 1's. We simply do not have this field strength in the KSP at any one point. Unless you've counted indies and KNF at the same time too.

The lack of professional leadership when an issue is arrised.

Instead of playing on the feelings of one individual, and then attempting to say the entire faction is at fault, why not take it up with the factions leader. I'll happily sit down and talk to you about all the problems you have with the KSP, as I would with anyone with concerns. However you know what you did, I'm dealing with that situation.

The inability to maintain a professional standpoint while flying tagged vessel.

See above point

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[Veygaar]

Thurgret, it's not about being killed. In fact I wasn't (except the first time awhile back before any of this started). It's about the behavior of players.

Kaido, I'd love to talk, catch me on skype --> calebalevesque

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Veygaar for Admin Moderator 2013!!!

[latos]

Upon speaking to him, I no longer feel the desire to defend the KSP from his rants and raves. His personal grudge against the KSP is fuelled by a desire to prove himself a superior combateer. Howver much he tries to hide it behind some strange self appointed opinion about our feelings towards them. Those feelings are the results of one KSP member, previously an RR member.

However some of his prior points had some merit. My responses remain the same. I reiterate my point on keeping this ON TOPIC relating to the KSP's bid for officialdom. If there is something you need to talk to me personally about, a PM to me is good.

Have a nice day all.

Kaido Marahu/ Naoya Imai. - Faction lead.

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[Yber]

As it seems that all has been discussed, I may only point out that this is not a RR feedback thread, therefore throwing insults and bad stuff to each other isn't the most indicated.

At the current time, I don't think that this faction should be official. However you're not being voted at this point, you've plenty of time to improve! I encourage you to do so.

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inb4 Sirius gets renamed to XTF.

[latos]

Could you at least explain why you think so, Yber? Otherwise it merely comes off as you disliking the faction rather than trying to provide constructive criticism, Which is not very helpful.

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[Govedo13]

I humbly urge all unlawfuls that are complaining of being ganked to the level where you have no chance to fight back to try the same situation in other House with other Police/Military faction.
Simply make unlawful characters in Bretonia to feel the tally ho or in Liberty to have fun with the LNS Swarm or in Rheinland to have fun with Nikita RUs warriors. I am seriously in urge to prove it to you with Screens but sadly I would have no time to play the game soon.

My vast unlawful experience shows that lawfuls outnumber the unlawfuls everywhere and this could be new to you only if you are new to the server or if you are hypocrite enough to bash faction that does not have still official status in order to harm it.

Ganking is not against the rules trolling and similar is. I have been ganked by all lawfuls in all houses except Gallia because it is empty-this topic looks so much similar to the Molly creation request I swear:Post 156 shows some "nice" quotes- all kind of people come here to bash the new guys without any reason you are honestly disgusting.
Go to troll the existing official police and military factions putting up the stupid gank card again and again- it is useless to do so because they are already official and none would care? Every damn time when a group of new players tries to make faction they got heavily trolled.
I guess for now the best way to deal with such feedback is just to ignore it and direct the "feedbacktroll" to the rule violation forum for good.
I hope that admins reconsider the faction creation process because 99% of the "feedback" in such topics is negative form of trolling and it is not constructive enough to be called feedback.

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Official faction players that are often accused of elitism, never deploy them and have those weird, immersion killing "fair fight/dueling" suicidal hobbies. (yes, i've seen enough of those lolduels, where house military with overwhelming force on the field willingly loses a pilot in a duel. ffs.)