Nomad Capship Weapons

[sovereign]

Brb, grabbing what you declared "wasn't proof"...

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[Dennis Jameson]

The birth rate in europe crashed after the industrial revolution. OH NOES WE ARE DYING OUT!!!!

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Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici

10/6

[Tenacity]

They don't have a vice grip on the drug trade.

Excuse me?

There is ONLY ONE source of cardamine in all of sirius, and that's directly from Malta, the outcast homeworld.

The sole provider of cardamine in all known space is the outcasts, and they're using the addiction on the populations of all the houses and criminal groups as a method of control. They get everyone hooked, and suddenly they withdraw their cardi trade... guess what? EVERYONE who's addicted will be begging the outcasts for cardamine because of the withdrawals - they will offer anything and everything they have to get it, because the pain of cardamine withdrawal is too much to handle.

Suddenly, every house government in Sirius is facing riots and revolts from the majority of their populations on a scale you cant even imagine. Every addicted criminal, civilian, police, or military member will be at the throats of their superiors and government, and they'll bring it all down. The work is done from the inside out, and the outcasts move back in and overtake all four governments in a single decisive blow.

The outcasts use their ships to fight corsairs, they use cardamine to fight the houses.

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[Akumabito]

The birth rate in europe crashed after the industrial revolution.

No it didn't, in fact infant population increased in reality because of better medical practice.

Don't mistake an industrial revolution and technological advances with a drug that causes sterility, the forces and reality behind both are quite different.

Carti causes a population crash due to a birthrate crash, in an otherwise closed system this is dying out.

[Dennis Jameson]

No it didn't, in fact infant population increased in reality because of better medical practice.

Don't mistake an industrial revolution and technological advances with a drug that causes sterility, the forces and reality behind both are quite different.

Carti causes a population crash due to a birthrate crash, in an otherwise closed system this is dying out.

It upped at first, and then it CRASHED because no one wants to give birth to five kids and have all of them survive.

Why have the kids working on the field when a machine can do it? HAH.

Now return to wonderland, or whatever drug induced dream that spawned you.

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Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici

10/6

[Tenacity]

No it didn't, in fact infant population increased in reality because of better medical practice.

Don't mistake an industrial revolution and technological advances with a drug that causes sterility, the forces and reality behind both are quite different.

Carti causes a population crash due to a birthrate crash, in an otherwise closed system this is dying out.

Do a little simple math.

Say cardamine reduces the effective birthrate by 50%.

The newsboards on malta say that the oldest outcast on record, one of the dons, died at the age of something like 168 years old, and was just as healthy and active the day he died that he was when he was 20.

meaning, they may have half the birthrate, but they live twice as long - it evens out. They probably bed bump twice as often as anyone else too.

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[Akumabito]

Suddenly, every house government in Sirius is facing riots and revolts from the majority of their populations on a scale you cant even imagine.

Nope, the only factions with a large number of carti addicted people are the CG, LR and LH. It would work in the large houses favor if carti stopped shipping, which, if you think about it, is why they try to stop it.

So carti stops shipping, three pirate factions die out and the economy on malta crashes, sounds good if you are a house faction.

In fact, why don't ask the SA, LSF. QCx, RM, etc... if they want carti stopped. They'll gladly say yes.

[Tenacity]

Nope, the only factions with a large number of carti addicted people are the CG, LR and LH. It would work in the large houses favor if carti stopped shipping, which, if you think about it, is why they try to stop it.

So carti stops shipping, three pirate factions die out and the economy on malta crashes, sounds good if you are a house faction.

In fact, why don't ask the SA, LSF. QCx, RM, etc... if they want carti stopped. They'll gladly say yes.

You do realize that half of manhattan's population alone is addicted, right?

The same goes for all of other capital worlds.

anyways, i'm done arguing, you're going to deny everything anyone else says despite in-game evidence. I've half a mind to hunt you down and shoot you for being so naive.

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[Dennis Jameson]

Could a moderator please split this thread so that we may be rid of this derailing?

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Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici

10/6

[sovereign]

Right, here we go, this is what you require for "evidence"...

People formerly against global warming were happy with less, jeepers...

Eppy:

The motion's only two weeks old and we only finalized the organizational system about five days ago. Just today is it kicking in, so obviously the results aren't in, and I don't see how you have any more authority than I to dictate them. In fact, you have a considerable deal less. Now, why don't you go worry about the RM, who ban all sales of their capital ships, period? I have no idea why you're fixating around the 101st, we're at least allowing players an avenue to legally acquiring these ships. Go pick on somebody more extremist.

EDIT: I'm sorry, I can point to an incident where this has improved the general quality of RP. The Rheinland Military and the Kusari Naval Forces have both instigated bans on the purchase of the purchase of their capital ships (though KNF has a tougher time enforcing this with its popular Destroyer, due to their low activity). I have not seen a single Out of Roleplay Rheinland or Kusari Battleship in the last four months. How's that?

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This has the appearance of being nothing but a power play, a way for a faction to throw it's weight around over a complete non issue so they can feel big and PvP whore. Sorry to put it that bluntly but there is no nice way to describe this.


I take very personal offense at that remark. Watch your tongue.

Akumabito:

QUOTE(Teflon_Tron @ May 23 2008, 12:10 AM) *

Thats just like saying any LSF that shoos a smuggler is a pvp whore


Not at all, I wish you would put more effort into your analogies. An outcast shooting an outcast is a violation of PvP, a lawful shooting a smuggler isn't.

QUOTE(Teflon_Tron @ May 23 2008, 12:10 AM) *

No its not a power play or anything like that, there are two reasons reasons why the 101st are doing this. 1: the 101st want to keep tabs on who is flying their ships, just like any other government (real or fake) will want to know who is piloting something of that power, especially if came from their ship yard.


And if they find someone without an outcast ID and tag, they would have a right to be concerned, but simply saying "I don't like your rp, you can't fly that ship even though you are properly tagged and ID'd" doesn't violate that point, if they have an outcast tag and ID you said yourself they have the right under the rules to fly that ship.

QUOTE(Teflon_Tron @ May 23 2008, 12:10 AM) *

and 2: its there to limit the amount of cap whores that only get a cap ship to pvp and has no rp what soever besides shoot every enemy.


That isn't a real reason because that doesn't work. Show me one so called cap whore who was stopped from cap whoring by this power grab of the 101.

bluntPencil:

QUOTE(Akumabito @ May 23 2008, 12:20 AM) *

That isn't a real reason because that doesn't work. Show me one so called cap whore who was stopped from cap whoring by this power grab of the 101.


Doesn't work?

Go to Rheinland and tell me otherwise.

Akumabito:

That isn't real evidence. You need a provable baseline, not just casual unscientific observation, then you need to show improvement that correlates with the action. That's a bare minimum for evidence.


Instead of hearsay, start with reason. Have you actually caused a documented oorp player to give up his cap ships entirely?

Akumabito:

Hardly, you guys sound like those Indians who think their dance is what causes the sun to come up. You don't have a shred of evidence that this will reduce cap ship issues, or even that they exist in the first place.

You are using supposition to support a move against Indies.

JihadJoe:

Oh dear dear me... You really, desperately want to be right don't you... thats amusing.

Look. The evidence I presented there is just one event in a long chain of events that led the Outcast factions to do this. I am not about to go though my 800 screenshots that I have and pull out all the screenies of Outcast caps with tag and ID and order/corsair guns, nor am I going to find the number of them who have shouted LOL in system chat, nor am I going to find all the images of them with german sounding names... That would take far too long, and frankly I can't be bothered.

The issue here is about making the oorp people know that they can't just fly something as powerful as a battleship for instance with the reason 'I bought it'. Its totaly unrealistic. They get told that this happens, and that they should write a story and submit it to one of us, then if they don't they get warned again, then if still don't do it we assume in roleplay that this ship is piloted by an untrustworthy individual who can't adaquately identify themselves to us and thus is dangerous.

Plenty of warning plenty of chances... They don't take heed, their funeral.

Its not powergaming its about roleplay, we are PLAYING OUR ROLE of keeping the outcasts home safe.

So... what the hell DOES count as evidence? And I thought SovietDiplomacy eff'd up his standing with people... jeepers, man, why do you do this?

Could a moderator please split this thread so that we may be rid of this derailing?

Better suggestion:

Could a moderator please LOCK this thread so that we may be rid of this idiocy and war-mongering?

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