The Crimson's Flares Feedback Thread

[SeaFalcon]

We did have some talks with other official factions in order to open up some new boards for us,but unfortunately an expected requirement was not met..and that was age of faction,something we can't really have without actually playing,right?
So..here we arrived once more,having the same outcome..
*another inconvenient is that only officials factions can post bounty boards,so..not much of options

If you can't back up your statements then do not post unless you have some constructive feedback for our faction

I can back it up, don't worry...

MM~ started up some day, with an original background as well as everything else.
Reavers did the same...

You, even when you're still in denial, came up with exactly the same as one of these factions because you claim there aren't any other options.

Most factions probably don't have much against trail boards where you simply have to show what you can do. The Reavers did just that with Rheinland, having to earn their trust with a temporary contract before actually being allowed to work for them openly.

Another question is, why does a small group of friends have to work Sirius wide? Why not focus on a small pocket, and do extra individual hunting as well? When I start a company I first start in the neighbourhood, make connections, then perhaps go city-wide, national and then international...

You can keep on saying there are no other options at all, but I think you just considered them too much work. If you can't be original yourself just join what is already there, saves the mess.

[Chrome.Flare]

Another question is, why does a small group of friends have to work Sirius wide? Why not focus on a small pocket, and do extra individual hunting as well?

Since from the first post on this thread you have shown the lack and will to read what have been already been posted and answered in the first post..i would advise you to actually read our faction history rather than asking question and critique us completely blind..
*Spoiler Alert:We are no longer a group of friends..

You, even when you're still in denial, came up with exactly the same as one of these factions because you claim there aren't any other options.

Most factions probably don't have much against trail boards where you simply have to show what you can do. The Reavers did just that with Rheinland, having to earn their trust with a temporary contract before actually being allowed to work for them openly.

Ok..let's take Rheinland for example if that's what you wish for..
1.Red Hessian..that will once again fall in the category "copycat"
2.Daumann:Red Heessian and IMG==>i would rather hunt for IMG because it pays better than most of the boards and i haven't seen them in omegas so i cant hunt them,now red hessians dont have such activity that we can even consider hunting them down..and we dont want to have them as targets
3.ALG Waste Disposal: target we may have here are:Liberty Criminals,Rheinland Criminals ...but we are an unlawfully faction so..
These are official factions who can open/reopen boards in this house,however once again our paths will cross again if we choose to do so..

So..yeah..this is pretty much it

[SeaFalcon]

I give up, time to hunt you :3

For the sake of being original.

A few other flares got my point apparently.

[Lythrilux]

Search Utracks thread. There are talks about the tool being a meta gaming tool. Heck, ask Utrack yourself. I bet he'll say it's a meta gaming tool.
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And the player list inside the game is meta gaming.

I believe you should try and read again,i have mentioned that it is a metagame tool

Well then why the heck are the flares claiming to not meta game when you just admitted you do?
Stop contradicting yourselves, please.

I can give RP proof as to how I knew that. I'll refrain from posting about it here though, as I have been asked to refrain from talking about [LN] related stuff. But I asked BHG for help due to being unable to gather anymore assists.

Wait a second..do you actually try to justify yourself about how your BHG| character have find out this kind of information outside the roleplay environment with another similar situation/source?
I have to announce that i most certainly have to give up on making you understand what is the actual concept of metagaming and that there's no way of avoiding it..

I don't understand it? Sure, whatever you say but the majority of flares don't seem to know what it is.
tl;dr I was asking the BHG for help via my LN char. Later on I logged my BHG| and saw a torpedo and decided to follow him with a friendly Liberty Navy bomber, this led me to the huge cluster of torpedoes hanging outside Buffalo.
Valid RP, done.

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[Chrome.Flare]

Well then why the heck are the flares claiming to not meta game when you just admitted you do?
Stop contradicting yourselves, please.

the only way not to metagame at all is not to chat ingame or outside the game,not to go on forums
and the only thing left to do is silent engage everyone..good luck with that ! ,i for sure i won't do it,either because i have higher standards than that or because i would like to play longer and not have my name on a sanction report in the past years or in the future..

Valid RP, done.

"..,inRP we can justify all our actions even if their right or wrong,this is not a different case i advise you to use your imagination.."
the good thing is that you understand some of my comments and applied them,too bad you didn't understand them in full..

[Lythrilux]

Well then why the heck are the flares claiming to not meta game when you just admitted you do?
Stop contradicting yourselves, please.

the only way not to metagame at all is not to chat ingame or outside the game,not to go on forums
and the only thing left to do is silent engage everyone..good luck with that ! ,i for sure i won't do it,either because i have higher standards than that or because i would like to play longer and not have my name on a sanction report in the past years or in the future..

Valid RP, done.

"..,inRP we can justify all our actions even if their right or wrong,this is not a different case i advise you to use your imagination.."
the good thing is that you understand some of my comments and applied them,too bad you didn't understand them in full..

Believe it or not, it's actually possible to find real, decent RP encounters by not using any of the tools you mentioned above. I do it often now, and it can make the game more enjoyable because it's more surprising.

On your last part, I'm a bit confused because I don't know what you're implying. You accused me of meta gaming so I backed myself up *shrugs*.

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[Miaou]

I'm going to hop onto what SeaFalcon said.

Now, don't jump down people's throats about this, but you really are copying hardcore. It may not of been on purpose, but it is what it is. It's not a question of the similarities. I'll restate them.

Boards.
Naming convention.
RP (very unlawful sided mercs who follow money and get drunk)

I'm an old Reaver myself. I might be a tad bias in this but come on. Bring something new to the table. Nothing you are doing is wrong or breaking rules, it's just very dull. Feedback is feedback, and you asked for it.

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Characters & Stories

[Chrome.Flare]

Believe it or not, it's actually possible to find real, decent RP encounters by not using any of the tools you mentioned above.

Sure..i totally agree..it is possible
Now tell me that while you do rp,in which most of the cases implies that you need to open chat window and you never ever have a peek at the left side of chat window?
I don't believe you,curiosity is in the human nature or otherwise we all would be inside a cage at a corner of the world,less known to man ,inside what we call today "Zoo"

On your last part, I'm a bit confused because I don't know what you're implying. You accused me of meta gaming so I backed myself up *shrugs*.

I didn't accused you per say..i accused "everyone" sort of speak,because "not to metagame " is just a fantasy/illusion you keep telling yourself to sleep better at night
* what i'm trying to say is.."I live in real world,Join Me!"

[Spike Seadra]

So i read up every post and i thought it's time for reply.
I'll start this from page 3.

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So today I encountered some of your members, along with fellow pilots of the [LN]. And suffice to say, I was rather disappointed in the general attitude and actions of most of your pilots (but not all). First off, one of our Pilots logged in to find Silver Flare and a couple other ships floating near manhattan. Once sighted, they flew off. In other words, avoiding interaction whatsoever when not on their terms. Afterwards, I found Silver flare and he proceeded to silently run to the system wall (Until after 5 minutes or so when I PM'd him to at least say something.)

Later on, a couple flares started RPing in the system chat, and then eventually it led to a bit of bickering between [LN] and Flare pilots. This is fine, I don't mind RPing about in system chat. But I do mind when people silently run to the system wall.

Additionally, Silver flare accused the [LN] of aimbotting. I'm just going to say now, in no way would we ever ever freaking ever tolerate someone using -any- sort of hack/aimbot or any form of cheap software to get a cheap advantage. But accusing us of it doesn't show a high level of maturity from your side.

Moving on, I got encountered by a couple of Rogue Werewolf's by Baltimore, and then eventually Pink and Silver flare turned up. After a small bout of talking, the Rogue started shooting at me and naturally I shot back. At this point I was still alone, however Pink flare went to assist the Rogue, then the other Rogue hopped in, and -then- Silver flares jumped in as well. Let me get this straight, when was it ok to attack a single fighter with quadruple the forces, and about 2-3 lines of roleplay? I seriously hope you'll edge away from unfair fights such as this, because its in no way fun for the outnumbered party, ever. And to top it all off, after an allied [LN] pilot moved in to assist me, a Rogue Cruiser moved in and engaged as well. So 2 Rogues, 2 Flares and a Scylla on two fighters. Again, lame.

However, that being said, after the fight was over Pink flare opted for a duel, and after a rather tough fight Pink actually was polite once the conclusion was reached. Heck, I even had a bit of friendly chat. This -is- good, I like seeing a friendly attitude even after a fight. I hope your group could follow Pinks example more.

Also, here is some evidence for these events.

And off topic from what happened today - generally, getting shot at by Flares or shooting at them is decent fun. And its encouraging to know that there are some who have friendly attitudes, especially towards a faction that they often attack.

Indeed, i was afk near rochester base, was actually going to dock but saw your hostile interaction with me, i thought i should run instead of PvP docking and leave for two hours....so i ran to the walls but still you didn't left me so i decided to give you run drive by leaving the ship on goto and i went afk.
And yes i did accused [LN] for jittering, oh i apologize if i spoke the truth or told the lie.
Now you are complaining about we gank you......every [LN] is smart enough, you were calling back up from those other 2 [LN] which were in colo, no need to complain that we ganked you because LN don't want to do RP nor fight clearly
When you guys come near to lost, you call back up from your chat or when you are doing RP, you call back up and gank the poor little pilot, so no mercy for LN
And yes, 2-3 RP lines i did because we tried to kill you before you bring your whole gank group, some how my fluct was just too high and every thing was jumping on screen

As for pink being nicely, you or we, lost or win in battle, every one should post nicely on forums by telling kudos and it had fun....there is no need to complain for any thing, you won the fight but you complaining because we RPed less and tried killing you first but failed

So a month or so ago I came across Silver Flare

Lemme explain what happened

I was flying about on my USI Guardian, not giving a fugg and being happy. I then jumped into California. In my sight when I jumped in was Silver, A Rogue Gunboat, and an OC Tridente. Before I even had a chance to see my HUD, I was spammed with CDs. Right afterwords, Silver started going on and on about killing me. During this, luckily, the Tridente left. Unluckily for me, Silver and the gunboat attacked my poor little Guardian. So I did what any crazy person would do, and fought back. We pewed and pewed and pewed, and Silver was obviously losing, despite his fat friend. During this time, I also contacted an SFC ship to see if he could come save me. Luckily, he did. Turns out, the SFC was a LSC, and came in guns blazing. Silver and the gunboat scattered. The SFC went after the gunboat and I chased after Silver (But couldn't catch him, MR Guardians are boss). He ran to Alcatraz and started hugging it like a monkey hugs its momma. After a while of some ego-ripping, he decided to duel me. Away from the station we started, his Havok vs my Super-Awesome-Mega-82%Core-Guardian. During this time, I dropped one, I repeat and emphasize, ONE nuclear class heat seeking anti-ship mine device. As soon as he saw this ONE nuclear class heat seeking anti-ship mine device, Silver started whining like a babe about how I was nuclearclassheatseekinganti-shipminedevicespamming. After this, he turned his ship around, and decided he was going to flee to the 800K-away-invisible-cloud-of-instadeath-with-no-ego-killing-bluemsg. I decided I wasn't going to deal with this stupidity and flew away.

I'd post proof but I deleted it

No need to post the proof, though, this is a 1 month old story and i was in Silver Fang, not Flare

One, learn how to spell. Two, I wasn't aware that saying "Hello Michael,you have a bounty on your head, I'm here to claim it." was a challenge to a one on one fight. Three, I assume your referring to that time those Doges chased you to Rochester, yeah I didn't pay them, they were after you cause you were bountied. Anyway, you have a nice day.

Morse, that's a good RP i do with you because when i try to do some RP with you, you called back up from skype for ultra high defence, when i don't RP with you more, you complain, as for 1 on 1, when ever i ask you, you refuse so i had to forcely fight you
As for those Doges, i didn't complained any thing that i died by doges

You're going on and about the [LN] ganking when I've yet to see any evidence of it, or any names. All you're doing is sitting here telling me Joe preferred snub fights, and so do I. You do realize we don't actually have any control over our indies though, right? If we tell them to stay out it doesn't mean they'll listen, and there isn't any rule we can use to enforce that.

If you see an [LN] member telling a cap to engage in a furball or taking bots from one however, that is a problem.

I really don't like people who play the cynic card after one bad experience. It is far easier and more productive to just go to the people who need to be talked to ([LN] HC), and say "Yo, this happened today, can you talk to the guy about it? Thanks."

You also have to understand that a lot of the [LN]'s new recruits aren't so skilled in the whole shooting thing, and while I'll be the first to tell you that the [LN] is a military faction and that I believe our members should be at least passable at it, that kind of thing takes time to teach, and basically what the flares do is roll around Liberty and keep them system dead, all day. See it from a newbie's perspective: It might just be a tiny bit demoralizing.

I'm not whining, or asking you to fly less, I'm just asking you to have a bit of understanding of the situation. If one of 'em gets out of line and throws a cap at you, tell me. So far I've yet to see that and until we, and we'll just continue seeing your behavior as an "I have to win" mentality, rather than a group of people who enjoy a fair brawl, win or lose.

You are the official faction, indie pilots who don't follow HC orders are forced to be punished, that's what i read in your laws
Yup, [LN] did many times, that LN Bristol, and [LN] logged in GBs, but no, we called GBs and attacked heavily so we won
As for ganks, you see sir this is a gank vs gank group, 1 on 1 can be done if agreement is made on both sides but that happens some times because LN don't agree on it
It's your responsibility to train the new recruits, you test them first and add in the faction, not by seeing their bio post and add in the channel and faction, who knows which of them copied the bio from other faction's recruitment thread and changed it a bit to make you agree on his acceptance
Now, we are a Mercenary faction, if we don't hunt you then what we do ? That's our role and primary goal, if you haven't read up the faction's info yet

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Good morning. I will be speaking on behalf of those of us who fly under Gold Wing colors. Gold Wing is a collection of more experienced (but not necessarily 'better') pilots within the [LN].

As we have observed, the majority (not all) of the Flares have a habit of only appearing when the [LN] is already engaged with a force which would be a challenge to face without the Flares' interference.

We in gold wing appreciate the nature of opportunism, and have the experience to see that such behaviour is a highly effective method of making bounty claims, and scoring kills.

An excellent example of this behaviour would be the situation referred to by Total Absolution. This is not exclusive to that particular event, but is something which we have collectively witnessed on numerous occasions. This occurs mostly when a group of Flares appears at the same time as a Rheinland raid or a major pirate attack.

Again, those of us in Gold Wing can appreciate why this is done. However we cannot understand your claim that you only wish for a fair fight when your behaviour indicates otherwise. We will play the game however you wish for it to be played, we are capable of being both fair and unfair.

You create the rules by which we play:
Should you choose to only appear when you have a clear advantage and the [LN] is already engaged in a fight which would be tough, we will endeavor to find ways of making victory impossible for you.

If you wish to enjoy an evenly matched fight, then we can provide for that wish, and will fight on a completely even playing field... But it is purely your behaviour that dictates how we will respond.

Once your behaviour becomes a clear pattern, altering how you are perceived becomes near impossible.

I would also like to point to Yber's post, in which a member of the Flares complains about Yber lagging. This strikes us as highly amusing, considering the apparent obliviousness of the Flares' own members to exacty how hard they lag. One would imagine that they would have some degree of sympathy. Apparently not.

http://i.imgur.com/appS9SJ.jpg

We would like to add, that in each of those situations the Flares appeared and engaged when the [LN] were already outnumbered and/or outgunned by ship class.

~ 11.

Good day gold wing, i can say [LN] instead of gold wing, you guys do have [LN] chars and were first, you later joined or made gold wing sub division

I already mentioned that we mostly fight in gank vs ganks, now you talked about rheinland invasion, yes we did that, problem ? You still won, i already said that don't complain if you win or lose or........(oh i already wrote that)

Now theres no more thing to read in your post since it is almost the same
If you talk about Yber, i don't care what he says because the behaviour and inncident happened on that day, i don't take response for Yber's complains

I speak on the [LN]'s behalf here. You still do not seem to be able to distinguish between [LN] and independent factions such as SFC|, or the indie capital front LNS. As Durandal has already pointed out earlier, it's not always possible for us to prevent capspam, since there's just so many to consider. I always try to tell capital ships to break off if there's a snub-fight going on, and I'm sure most of my colleagues would do the same in said situation.

Again, you seem to think that, only because many LNS capital ships go nuts at you, the [LN] has something to do with it. This is simply not true and I'm just trying to make it clear to you - we do NOT have control over the LNS. Sure, we can try to make them stand down, since we're the primary fleet we do have some sort of power over independent players, but only so much.

Another point: Your screenshots above show our newest players getting a little angry at certain situations. You know, imagine you're new to a faction. You wanna' undock and have some fun patrolling. Right as you undock, you've got mercenaries right infront of you, telling you that you've got a bounty on your head which they're gonna' collect. Said mercenary goes in guns blazing, while the "noob" doesn't stand a chance because he's simply not experienced enough. The recruit gets killed, and is system-dead for 2 hours. Don't you think it's a little bit frustrating for the new guy ? This happened multiple times, so I do understand why Morse or Atlas flipped the table there. I am not trying to justify it, because it's still the wrong behaviour, I'm just saying that it's kind of understandable.

You also seem to dodge clear evidence of your people going nuts by twisting our arguments into a way it suits you. You still haven't answered to the fact, that your members accuse our pilots to use some sort of aimbot or other software. We as an official faction would never, I repeat NEVER, use anything like it, because, lets face it, we don't have to.

I hope you take your time reading and considering the fact that not everything you hold against us is supported by facts and evidence. Keep in mind what I've said and carry on.

Nothing to reply in your post, i already did that, wait i haven't posted any thing *Facepalms* Sorry.....


The only thing i want to reply for Morse, well if or you guys talk a lot about this, it would be considered as trial by forum
All i can say by avoiding the much trial forum, you tell me that your new recruits die every time they undock and we don't give them a chance
You know what ? These are rules which are broken by new recruits :

OORP
OOC
Threating Sanctions
Re-engagement
Refusement to leave system after dead
Allying with Order
Ignoration of Pms when warned and replys with stupid messages
Brokation of ID rules
Silent Engagements

When i try to explain them the rules on PM, they ingore and reply with stupid messages
When i tell this to HC of [LN], this is what i get in reply :

[LN]-X : // You please first follow the rules your self before complaining about LN

Now i have no idea what to do with new recruits, reporting and sanctioning don't works always because rules can also be explained by talk but LN HC ignores this as well

Some Good [LN] behaviour Take a look yourself
[LN] screen 1
[LN] screen 2
[LN] Screen 3

Ok, now would it really have been that difficult to simply post those in our feedback thread when it happened?

Anyway I know the incident and lectured both Morse and Revan on it a month ago, who at the time had just joined. I sincerely doubt you'll find either of them doing it again, Revan in particular because I believe he left the faction.

He makes a valid point though. Hunt somebody every time they log on and they'll start to get annoyed. I can't make a decent pilot out of somebody in two hours, and it's hard to build morale when they're dying each time they undock.

So, what aside from an incident which happened a month ago with two recruits do you have to justify your behavior and overarching attitude towards the [LN]? Not a whole lot.

What Eleven said from the Gold Wing account applies. See you in space.

If LN starts a good RP with us, we'll reply with good RP and we keep in track on our sensors that who is coming where and how, i mean the skype chat back up

I apologize if Ryan left LN because of us, but he only died 1-3 times, not much more than that like you say they die when they undock

General feedback I directed to Spike a while back.

You need to work on your attitude and that's been said here already. Getting mouthy when things aren't going your way and raging at others all the time. OoRP rage in your "RP" is easy to spot and is generally quite unpleasant.

The incident in the Tau's a while back for example, accusing CL} of not fair fighting when it was Silver and Cyan (Cyan being in a gunboat) and complaining when another fighter turned up to assist me. Logs are too old for me to go and find. RP is kinda lacking in general as well. "You have a bounty on your head, die" is not RP...it's just hunting for blue messages. Go play Vanilla if you want to do that.

It's also quite boring have to fight the crazy lag but...that issue's been discussed already. See you in space.

Yup, actually IMG| called flares by PMs, i was going to rep my ship but i had to leave and assist them
When i saw that bomber on scanners, i felt in doubt that you would try to gank me some how
So i called cyan as well to finish the raid and help the IMG out but i got hit by dual nukes
And IMG filled up their demand
Altough i would give CL} a bit feed back, you guys only come to tau 23 and raid it almost every day (ye, saw in the first few days i came to tau 23) and mostly CL} loose in battles
You guys are sure good OC faction but disturbs miners a lot, so miner had to switch into their fighting wings and gank you

I think that people need to learn to take RP interaction for what it is, and not take it personally as a player. If your character gets insulted inRP, take it that way, don't take it as an insult against you as a player.

But that's not the real issue here.

The real issues here have been pointed out. As for the [LN] side of things, Nothing has really changed in the way we do things since Joe left. I learned how to run this faction from Joe, so don't go spitting in my face and telling me that I enjoy ganks or that I allow ganks, or that my people are using hacks, because I don't, they aren't, and they never will.

The [LN] cannot completely control it's indies, as much as we might like to, the SFC|, 41st, 36th, and various other independent groups do not HAVE to listen to us, even though things go much better when they do.

The [LN] does not go out of it's way to "Gank" enemy players or groups, nor do we actively hunt specific players as soon as they log into the game, that's pretty low.

Yes, [LN] ships have been involved in "ganks", it happens, but it's not something that we actively commit to and it's not considered a valid "tactic" by [LN] leadership.

Ganks, to us anyway, are something that happen when there is little other choice, or when the indies rush in and stomp on everything despite us telling them not to do so. (We will fight ganks with ganks, yes, but we're not going to send say five ships, after one, that's just lame.)

I think also, if you people actually tried to challenge some of our pilots to fair 1v1 duels, you'd find them pretty open to the idea.

Our faction members do not enjoy ganks, on either side, because all they do is make things worse.

*Spike mentioned up every thing on previous LN replys*

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The [LN] does plenty of military-style RP, but every character of course, is different, and that's okay. I trust that you've seen enough of Liberty to know how crazy things can get when a huge fight breaks out, so there's another thing, it's a bit hard to act like a "Rigid military type" when you're trying to stay alive/win a fight.

If you mean "act like a navy" as a way of saying "stop doing the LPI's job", well, I wish we could, but they're basically a dead faction, and somebody has to pick up the slack.

Yes yes, and =LSF= will do some patrols in Liberty instead of gathering up the data and doing their actual role
You do protect liberty but take a look again, it's a militry faction (Navy), they guard the house system from large attacks, if small one comes up and spits on their faction, LN spits them back and take care of every thing
But LN always do some patrols, not make some plans for raids or etc
People mostly join LN instead of LPI because they see LN in the house systems a lot, though LPI becomes useless and pointless to join so people join up LN instead
I hope you under stand what i mean

Well, this is something I'd really be glad to see, but I'm pretty sure this will never happen. When I said "act like a navy", I was thinking more about the way a soldier of Navy talks. I know people has different characters in different factions, that makes them to mix things. A navy should never speak as a rogue, never. Navy insults should be Navyish, if you know what I mean.

People don't come here to roleplay a hivemind of people who all act the same. Also, to me you sound completely oblivious about the way a soldier actually talks. There's some cool tactical stuff mixed in, but it isn't nearly as "professional" as you seem to think.

Take a look at what one of your people said. I'm pretty sure that you, as admin, will never tolerate another player to talk like that in local chat, not even iRP.

Wrong, a perfectly valid in RP insult from somebody playing their character.

That being said, instead of telling us or to other people that we are bad or we do something wrong, suggest us what to change to be good. And I expect you, the one who says it, to be the change yourself!

1: Any obvious transgressions from any [LN] members should be brought to our attention in faction feedback.

2: Don't freak out when a situation doesn't go the way you want it to. If some caps engage, how about calmly PMing an [LN] member present rather than assuming "Oh here's the incompetent Navy again sending caps against us", chances are we didn't.

3: Do unto others as you would have do unto you. Refer to the Gold Wing post for that bit.

Pretty good insult but i can't find the link, some one got sanctioned for saying that word in RP insult, and yes, it was a fair enemy of him

We don't want to post any feed back for LN here but the way you guys write makes us type your feedback

Incomprehensible garble which misses the point entirely.

While your post was a rambling mess, the Gold Wing Pilots have decided to make an effort at replying.

First of we dont want you to play by our Rules, Its what you tell us in feedback about us, though same goes for you, We do the same because your people ganked us alot, Tired of that. We prefer hunting in those cases only when we see LNS cap swarm , in this case a Bombers swarm is already prepared to clean up the Big targets , get the bounty mean while their attention is toward RNC.

This way its better for us to kill what we cant , during ganked by LNS. And Gold wing you maybe special but still pilots of [LN].

We in Gold Wing are not special. We are only a group of pilots. It is true that every Gold Wing pilot has another character within the [LN]. However, that is not relevant to any of the other things you have said, and we in Gold Wing are mystified as to why you believe it is relevant to this discussion...

We are aware of the fact it is easier for you to hunt for bounties when the bounty is already in combat. That is fine. We are not complaining about that.

What we fail to understand is how you can behave in the way you do, then complain about receiving unfair treatment.

Talking about proof of yber, he is the one who pmed me that i jitters, though yesterday i gave admin all info, And so far i am clear , Never Done anything, it could be him, He already pmed me several times that i jitter, the time he pinged he could be lagging himself dont you see that???

Or he just got worlds fastest internet? or Do YOU?
also if he got so fast internet that never lags then why did he pmed me i am gonna report you for jittering.Yes he Did No offense to him just a normal chat coz you dragged him here (yber).

Breaking of section 3.4 :

Threatening other players with reports and sanctions, attempting to pose as an Admin and using an Admin's name without permission is not allowed.

I told him to go call an Admin right now and check my fps or see if i am using any kind of hack, which no one will , if you think we use hack, go on, report, call Admins team ,scan us do what ever you want. Dude playing from more then 5 years alright, Never used anythingm i am a fair pilot .
G'day lads
Blodo said : People are going nuts for no Reason quiet Frankly
Blodo said : people in conn these days will go crazy about any kind of small lag immediately and tell people they jitter

When i told him that people says we jitter, Thats what he told. Better watch your own alright and What ever the Proof you posted aint proves anything so far against us.

At no point has Gold Wing made any mention of jittering or cheating. We have only made comment on lag. Lag is not the same thing. We do not understand why you are trying to defend yourselves from accusations of cheating, when we have not actually accused you of cheating.

Furthermore, Gold Wing is not complaining about lag. We are aware that lag is not the fault of the person who is lagging, but is the fault of a slow internet connection, or living a long way from the server... For example, Australia/NZ or the Indian suncontinent. People cannot help it if they lag.

We were instead commenting on the fact that because a great many pilots within the Flares are prone to lagging, they should not complain about Yber or other players lagging. To complain about other players lagging, when you are frequently known to lag, is highly hypocritical.

The entire post which was made on behalf of Gold Wing, was not saying "you suck, go away" instead it was saying that you should not give criticism about things you do yourselves, nor should you expect to be treated differently to the way you treat other people.

That is all.

~ 11.

You don't need to post with Gold Wing account, you can post with your normal [LN] chared account

See my last paragraphs of my post, scroll down and you'll see it

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A lot of people really don't like you guys. Maybe you should drop the "we're superior to everyone" attitude and figure out why. (Hint: what people are saying here is why, so listen rather than argue.)

Edit: King of page 6!

See last paragraphs

first of all We dont have any data where are you docked or not. Second we dont meta game lyth. Flares log when they see navy in system.
Meta game if you refer to use you know better whom to refer , who do meta gaming. *he points the Lux ryder, zoe valentine . Then quickly hides*
be fair. Give feed back not QQ or looking for a way to accuse us . lyth you better dont post here. Trying to revoke what we are trying to solve.

You didn't even read my post properly.
You just admitted you meta-gamed, because you're coming to where I'm undocking from no original knowledge.
What I told you was a suggestion.

Besides, why can't you be spontaneous with your encounters anyway? As a suggestion., try finding encounters without using the playerlist.
I also suggested escorts. Try escorting smugglers. If you do that you might be onto something that can make you unique to reavers etc.

When did i admitted that i meta gamed?? checking players list is not referred as meta gaming , Besides, having knowledge of meta gaming look at your own game because you said that Its fun to Meta game,fix yours Dude . I am Quiet Old pilot of liberty i know better then you where will i find The targets , so others.

Other thing, you want us to Escort Traders?? We are unlawful mercs , We Got contracts we dont work for Traders. Go Make your merc faction and all you do is Escort smugglers. I rather dont do this Experiment at all. I got contracts which i am working on. Not for Traders or smugglers i created this faction or go close all bounty boards and then tell us to escort smugglers.

1. I never said I Meta gamed.
2. fyi, looking at the playerlist is Meta gaming.
3. So what if you've played for longer? That's no excuse that you can't listen to advice.
4. The Freelancer ID says you can escort smugglers. But hey, you want to kiss goodbye to a suggestion that can actually make you unique from other merc factions out there.
So tl;dr, you're just a hunting for blues faction with no niche? If so that is somewhat sad.
I mean, at least the Judges do escorts. Hell, I've seen Reavers do escorts too.

i have to say, all you guys seem to be is a reaver clone who just wants blue messages.
you guys need to distinguish yourselves. The Reavers have their ramapant insanity and penchant for wearing womens underwear, while hunting anyone as long as the pay is good.

you guys need to come up with a distinguishing trait for the flares. something that sets you apart from other groups

Huh, what did we copied from reavers ?
Naming scheme ? Is it restricted ? NO ? Right ?
Now if you say about taking the same route, no other bounty boards are online and we don't want to hunt for nothing nor waste time
I'll ask you, what would route would you take if owned a mercenary faction ?
And no, i hate when people says we copy every thing from reavers, we actually didn't
See last paragraphs for more details

Ive had a really fun encounter with [LN] yesterday. It was by West Point, kudos to Catherine Raven and LNS-Chico, was fun to Rp a little and then pew at the end.

The lil' ramble today morning was probably the fairest encounter I've ever had with the Flares. Sadly, the opening Roleplay was the same old opening Roleplay you always seem to give. It's pretty easy to spot your ooRP dislike towards the [LN], and you don't seem to even try to hide it, not the slightest.

You might want to consider this if you want to be treated fair in future. To be honest, if I wasn't as relaxed as I was at this point, I'd have called in more people to thrash your ship, just because of that annoying "Roleplay".

Numbero Uno
Numbero Dos

We'll love if you call in more people to trash us, further more, when we RP with LN for a bit long time, we see [LN] logging in one by one and group up with the RPer
So we think it's useless to RP with LN
Either way, i explained a lot in the above posts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ra83RdM0XXo

Was a awesome video, but it was stucking and hanging so i couldn't see any thing what is written for pings in it
Altough i see in video that the guy who recorded, fired the SNAC and it hited in 0.X seconds, which means it's speed is more than normal
SNAC speed hack is all i can say, and yes "X" good player told me about that as well
I like to request if you remove that video link since it is kinda trialing (not 1) but two players on forums
Also you can see that Flash said Sapphire.Flare left Flares

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How come your diplomacy is so close to that of a similar faction?

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1...e720f_2_58

in a small summary on what is the same:
- Enemy of Liberty, Bretonia, Hispania
- Friends with their unlawfuls like the Liberty Rogues, Lane hackers and Mollys.
- Rheinland seems rather neutral.
- Gallia might be neutral to you, but they lack a board at the moment anyway.

Reavers having started as a bunch of friends wanting to become mercenaries.
And they use colours, just like your idea to just use colours.

Your goals:
"Follow the money where it goes, Kill Contracts for money
and..buy Drinks from Alcatraz's Bar"
"Fulfill our Contracts and Associates' bounties, and make them happy"

Exactly the same as well. https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1...e720f_2_18

If you're trying so hard to be like them, why not simply join them?
Considering official factions already seem to have a hard time keeping their activity.


Edit: You seem to have typo'ed something in your goals, since I copy pasted it.
"You kill contracts to make money?"

Seafalcon,
We are Freelancers and so does Reavers are
Our diplomacies can be changed at any time so can theirs
We don't have any permenant allies and hostiles, we will change it as soon as some nice boards get online
There aren't any good boards online to hunt for
As for goals, you see above i said sapphire left flares, i typed some different goals, he replaced it, gonna fix that soon
And no, we don't want to become like reavers, further more, not every one can join up reavers as they refuse almost every one, so heres a faction which can be joined if reavers refuse
Now, i do not see any kind of Reaver's history nor any RP by which their group is formed
If you see ours, we update our history in the end of each month which means our history will keep on expanding

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1...e720f_2_58

in a small summary on what is the same:
- Enemy of Liberty, Bretonia, Hispania
- Friends with their unlawfuls like the Liberty Rogues, Lane hackers and Mollys.
- Rheinland seems rather neutral.
- Gallia might be neutral to you, but they lack a board at the moment anyway.

this is what we have answered in the the second post on this very own thread,and we have explained why we have chosen a board over another

*gallia is actually friendly since we do work for EFL
**but to summarize it in a few words:we did have explored all the unlawfully boards we could sign upon,we have chosen those who have a board,who does have more active targets we could destroy eventually,those who do pay better and in the end we have tried to balance them and register our faction accordingly..
Yes it may seem the same,because is a good path so why try to take other just because there's already a faction out there who did have a similar path in the past but now is no longer active anymore..

We are not trying to be like Reavers..a statement i rather not make everytime i post/answer to someone but it seems i always have too..
So..here we go again:
While " I " ,personally..i do like the idea of having an ID that offers so many advantages regarding the Technerf Chart of which has such high values towards ones of the best Ships ingame from both a stats point of view and a nicer design than the others of it's kind..i would rather say "No" because while we do have same goals,due to being an unlawfully hunting group i rather like having a different and better RP at least from my point of view,one of which we are still working upon it due to our recent date of creation and so many decisions we had to make in such short time..
//anyway..this was one very slow post..since i had to watch food not to get too fry..

Friendly to Gallia, just like the Reavers.


What I mean to tell you is, you will get pissed on for being a copycat even when you claim you're not one.

The diplomacy, goals, name features, way of working, behavior in game as well is all the same.

If one was the same I wouldn't have a point of it.
But here is me giving feedback to at least change yourself a little, hell even the judges are more original than this.

We do not care what reavers do, what diplomacy they have or any thing
We look for the best way, so we found this one
I ask you then, why reavers don't work for other boards any more ? We have the same reason here

What I mean to tell you is, you will get pissed on for being a copycat even when you claim you're not one.

Yes,you do have a point..more or less,the only things we do have in common are our colours nicknames and being unlawfully mercenary [and the limited path that comes with it(being a unlawfully merc.)]

If one was the same I wouldn't have a point of it.

I will be going a little off topic and make an analogy regarding an alternate universe where we would of have chosen having an LN ID and our naming convention would have been "LN.Name.Lastname" and now we would have been received a feedback implying that we are copycats because we do hunt pirates and we shouldn't do so because there's another faction on same id who do the very same thing..
So..what would you want us to do in this similar scenario?hunt traders and others lawfully factions?

Now i know the following sentence will sound a little rude but i think i have to say it:
"Do you really want to claim "your" copyrights on the full Spectral Colors?
Because this is what it seems.."

Being an unlawful merc company in which you share, the same diplomacy, naming, goals (hunt money and spent it on drinking) and start of your faction. (A man with friends decided to become the most skilled at killed lawfuls because it's a good business.)

The Reavers do in a way claim all copyrights on their unlawful merc group, with their diplomacy and naming, as well as their goals.

If someone wants to use "colours" sure go ahead, but at least be different on other fronts. So far you aren't different anywhere, not even the skill part when it comes to combat.

Edit:
Going to leave it at this, take the feedback in whichever way you like, I still think you should change your course considering there is nothing unique in you at all, and it doesn't seem to add anything either, besides of course being the same.

Edit2:
Claiming you're an unlawful merc faction doesn't mean you have to be the same as another.
Just check the differences between the old MM~ and the Reavers, both being lawful and unlawful in other parts.
Yet they were totally different.

On the base of this faction, we decided to become friendly to all the unlawfuls of sirus and engage at all the lawfuls but then few of unlawful faction's leaders didn't liked the idea so we changed our selves
You ask for it, you got it
Also, see the last paragraphs for more details

@SeaFalcon

Since you do seem to believe that we could have chosen a different path then by all means i challenge you to find one with a higher numbers of boards to sign up
There will be some points to have in mind when you will come with a different option, those will be:
1. keep liberty|bretonia|taus as a hunting ground,and the option of having a place where to dock inside those houses
2.targets do have to be lawfully factions
3.MercNet does not apply due to having no restricted hunting grounds..

Go out there and make contracts with factions yourself.
Last I heard people had billions of credits and didn't know what to spent it on.
Go lobby on some new boards.

Also this encourages RP between your and other factions and might even lead to character development, something I haven't seen much yet.

Last paragraphs

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We did have some talks with other official factions in order to open up some new boards for us,but unfortunately an expected requirement was not met..and that was age of faction,something we can't really have without actually playing,right?
So..here we arrived once more,having the same outcome..
*another inconvenient is that only officials factions can post bounty boards,so..not much of options

If you can't back up your statements then do not post unless you have some constructive feedback for our faction

I can back it up, don't worry...

MM~ started up some day, with an original background as well as everything else.
Reavers did the same...

You, even when you're still in denial, came up with exactly the same as one of these factions because you claim there aren't any other options.

Most factions probably don't have much against trail boards where you simply have to show what you can do. The Reavers did just that with Rheinland, having to earn their trust with a temporary contract before actually being allowed to work for them openly.

Another question is, why does a small group of friends have to work Sirius wide? Why not focus on a small pocket, and do extra individual hunting as well? When I start a company I first start in the neighbourhood, make connections, then perhaps go city-wide, national and then international...

You can keep on saying there are no other options at all, but I think you just considered them too much work. If you can't be original yourself just join what is already there, saves the mess.

Wrong, our idea was to create this faction via real role play history and we will complete the story soon, the only problem we got that some RL problems came up which halted the story, it was done 25%
But then every one posts up that we should change our naming scheme and etc which was corrupting our story, so i halted it until we fix the faction a bit

Yup'o because the area for which we were going to hunt for a lot, their the bounty board closed up (rogues) so we decided to move out to bretonia
After we moved up, we decided to make our relations with IMG friendly as well and go against Sairs + few targets
But bretonia is kinda inactive, so we moved up into taus and we were already signed up for IMG board, we decided to shoot OC since their leader didn't wanted us to be friendly (ye, talked him)
No i am not complaining, Q.Q or threating him, just telling you what happened in truth and it's good after all
We can change our diplomacy any time we want and any where as we are freelancers
When we went against OC, Mollys said not to shoot OC in bretonia and similarly LR and LH said not to shoot OC in Lolberty, we agreed on that
So yeah, we are neutral to OC in Liberty and Bretonia
I again say we are Freelancers and can make our reps go up and down at any time and any where
Now we decided not to explore more and sign up more boards until our roster gets a little higher and active

I give up, time to hunt you :3

For the sake of being original.

A few other flares got my point apparently.

Yes, got it
Yours some points are not takable but few of your points gave me some ideas, see last paragraphs

I'm going to hop onto what SeaFalcon said.

Now, don't jump down people's throats about this, but you really are copying hardcore. It may not of been on purpose, but it is what it is. It's not a question of the similarities. I'll restate them.

Boards.
Naming convention.
RP (very unlawful sided mercs who follow money and get drunk)

I'm an old Reaver myself. I might be a tad bias in this but come on. Bring something new to the table. Nothing you are doing is wrong or breaking rules, it's just very dull. Feedback is feedback, and you asked for it.

Not copied, see what i replied to Falcon's posts
And see the below paragraphs for more details

The Last Paragraphs

I first do not under stand what's the prob with our naming scheme unless you read up every thing, this boosts our RP a lot
First off all, Flare means flaming meteorite (you do know what that is)
Now who are the flares in game ? We (Players) are Flares
Now that's a good thing......you see our faction name is The Crimson's Flares
Before it was The Crimson Flare but when we decided to take up the color.flare naming scheme, it created a problem
Crimson it self is a colour which is mixture of blue and red colour, if we take color flare as the naming scheme, then we would only name as blue and red, black and white were not available to us
Like we named our faction Black and naming the chars as white
It would create up many problems, it's a bit difficult to under stand it but once you got the point you'll agree on it
After this inncident, we had two choices, replace Crimson with some thing else or make some other naming scheme but we didn't wanted to take any of the choices
One day a idea came up into my mind and which fixed up every mess
We just added a apostrophe and "S" after Crimson, The Crimson's Flares and we created this group for the honour of our dead leader (Yup, now don't tell we copied any thing, we don't have any leader here)
Now you ask that why we don't made any leader in RP, it's because before we group was formed, we were cold blood hunters and did not liked any one to judge us but yeah, in the honour, altough some Flares in RP came for Cash and Blood, some for Honour and etc
So......Red Flare,Golden Flare, Cyan Flare, after you re-read the meaning of Flare, you see that Crimson's Red Coloured Flaming Meteorite, His Golden Meteorite, Green flaming meteorite, if you replace flaming and meteorite by a single word, it would be Flare, Crimson's Red Flare, His Silver Flare and etc
Now just think of it, his meteorites (ships/pilots) protecting him (wait hes dead), taking his revenge (yup, goal is for revenge as well, that member outdated our goals)
Now the route, freelancers, route can be changed any time on agreement of the hostile faction we try to become friend with it, but need some boards and nice jobs opened for us other wise a big no
Now you got the point, naming scheme, RP history, boards
Further more, i'll add a bit more info here
You see that Flares have color naming scheme but we do have some pilot names as well, reavers don't
The roster needs to be updated in proper way, i would do it within few days, just sorted out some time for replying all the feed back here
The only thing remains is of our goals
We have two goals, one and two
First one indicates we hunt bounties (That's our primary goal)
Second one is, we help our allies catch and destroy their prey
This means, we mostly do pirating as well with our allies and only if we get proper payments for it
I repeat again, they way goals are written are not correct and that member might had copied it, i just sorted out the difference now after seeing Seafalcon's post
Ye, thanks for it
I personally thank every one for the feed back you all gave, it is going to help our faction get into better one
I'll update the faction a lot as soon as i get some free time, the faction will be renewed and 50% of it's work will be re-done, upgraded and updated into better one
Please tell if i missed any thing, you will get your answer soon as possible
Now the only thing remains,

*Spike ingores Lyth's every post

You did not gave any feed back, all i see that you are posting your Q.Q, crying and throwing your anger at us, it didn't helped any thing but just made us spend and waste some more time to reply your posts
This is a feed back thread, others post were good and helped us a lot
Even though, i see a lot of rule violation in this thread, i'll kindly request every one to don't do it any more (This message is directed to every one, both flares and outsiders)
I my self broke the rules as well but i got no choice, let's not make this happen again and i apologize admins and mods for every thing here
Any more feedback is welcomed but feedback and not some thing else


EDIT : Yes, bad english, i can talk and understand, my grammer isn't that good nor the vocabulary.

[Spike Seadra]

Separate Post :

We will change up many things but i want see the reply for the last paragraphs because ifwe change our naming scheme, we will need to change up our whole role play and history and every thing.