Developments of the Bretonian Region

[jammi]

On the Swansea idea, let's at least allow the shipyard to be general and not a Bowex shipyard. It's awkward enough that Gateway has to go to Scarborough to get its larger vessels.

I'd agree with this, but there isn't much alternative for shipyards that construct civilian stuff in Bretonia. Bowex makes all the civilian craft, such as transports, while BMM makes all the warships and heavy duty industrial stuff.

I suppose it could be made to belong to the BPA so all the Bretonian Corps can go there without feeling silly, but I don't really think that makes much sense.

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[bluntpencil2001]

I'd probably make it Gateway owned, but have the infocard say that they don't build the ships, but help organise distribution, being the most likely to buy them.

A private firm selling ships would sell to both government groups, like Bowex, as well as private individuals, such as IMG and Gateway.

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[Seth Karlo]

Quick question:

In Chester, gate project to where?

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[beander2]

I'd agree with this, but there isn't much alternative for shipyards that construct civilian stuff in Bretonia. Bowex makes all the civilian craft, such as transports, while BMM makes all the warships and heavy duty industrial stuff.

Well, I guess I thought there would be alternatives to the government proper or government-subsidized shipbuilders - some RP'd private corp that doesn't actually have a faction. (It's odd, frankly, that Bowex builds ships, but I guess no more so than IMG. At least they're not marked as Bowex ships - no offense :))

I'd probably make it Gateway owned, but have the infocard say that they don't build the ships, but help organise distribution, being the most likely to buy them.

A private firm selling ships would sell to both government groups, like Bowex, as well as private individuals, such as IMG and Gateway.

I think this makes sense with Gateway as distributor, but I honestly find it a bit of a stretch that Gateway would have a shipyard (though again, with all the other changes already present and being proposed, it seems somewhat more reasonable). If it did, perhaps one of the larger Bret ships (Shire or Shetland), the Percheron or Clydesdale, and a general civ transport (like on Manhattan - 1000 cargo).

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[BaconSoda]

1. The Mollys have their NPCs in Cambridge by the Leeds jump hole and in the asteroid field adjacent to it (so yes they do actually have a presence there). The Hessians have their NPCs by the Cambridge jump hole in O-3. I'd say that area of Cambridge is relatively safe...
2. The Corsairs are also being hit hard by the Wilde apparently (according to news item anyways), though it's not being reflected in game in any way for either the Corsairs or Hessians so...
3. The Hessians are going to expand to Cambridge soon themselves, so say rumours on a fair few bases.

The Cardiff Field doesn't have Molly NPCs there, and it never has. The only pirates there have been Corsairs who were passing through to the New London Jump Hole. The Hessians are fighting near the Cambridge Hole, yes, but to stop the Corsairs from pirating and collecting resources where the Hessians can't stop them and attempt a strike at Cadiz. If the Hessians could gain a foothold in Cambridge, then they'd have done it already.

Where are these rumors coming from? Are they vanilla, or are they something new? The Hessians are hard pressed, apparently, so one would think that they'd have trouble moving farther into Omega-3 while fighting both the Corsiars and Wilde, not to mention the fact that there is the BAF as the legitimate power as well. If anywhere, the Mollys should probably build a base near the New London Hole, not in the middle of a Corsair-controlled ice field...

That would provide an even bigger basis for coordinated Hessian-Molly attacks against Corsairs there.
According to what Kuraine posted in the other thread, the Hessians and Mollys will be in contact soon enough. As to why Mollys would want any contact with the Hessians: maybe the fact that the Mollys have to fend off a massive Corsair invasion of Dublin and the Hessians are capable of helping them on that front by coordinating their attacks on the Corsair path to Dublin? I'd put increased Hessian presence in Omega-47 as pretty important to the Mollys, and say that Hessians would rather have the Corsairs gone from Omega-49 as well...

Why would the Hessians help the Mollys, though? They're fighting the Corsairs, yes, but that wasn't a good enough reason for the Hessians to ally with one of the largest military powers in Sirius (Outcasts), why would they ally themselves with a separatist group in Bretonia who is much weaker just because of that? It doesn't make much sense to me.

On another note, the Corsairs hold a steady garrison in Omega-49 from which to attack Arranmore, at the request of the Zoners so that Bretonia believes Omega-49 is too much work to conquer. I'm not sure why there was never a Corsair base there, but that was the RP, last I checked, and whatever the Hessians do in Omega-47 is their business, but the Corsairs are being catered to by the Zoners in Omega-49, and all the Hessians could do is try and keep some of their reinforcements from reaching Omega-49, though how successful that would be with their eyes on Tangier is a question.

Well... Mollys already have a base in an ice field. Taypord Base in Dundee. Gaia isn't really exploited for food, and nothing the Mollys would do against it would bother the Bretonian government much. It would rather enrage the Gaians against the Mollys instead.
Ayr is being terraformed by Planetform, and there is a Planetform base in its orbit. Hardly a place for a Molly station.

I'd say just leave Edinburgh to the Gaians... There's a better basis for a non-aggression pact that way, without their forces having to bump shoulders in a place that already is fairly crowded.

The fact that it's in an ice field is of little relevance, however, the fact that the Corsairs control said ice field is of relevance. It's make more sense to move the Molly base to the Newcastle Debris Field, or, at a stretch, the Cardiff Asteroid Field, instead of in a completely Corsair controlled field.

Back onto Edinburgh, why wouldn't the Mollys want to exploit something that isn't exploited much at the moment? The thought that there isn't a plethora of delectable foodstuffs and exotic goods being shipped to the Shetland is laughable. The thought that any separatist-terrorist-pirate organization wouldn't want to exploit it is, well, silly...

Um, if the Corsairs are sandwiched between Mollys and Hessians in the Omegas, they're more likely to pull out of Dublin.

Also, it's a blood feud. Thermonuking Cork ring any bells?

Besides, the Hessians and Mollys were founded in almost the exact same fashion, the events which caused both to come into existence also played their part in the formation of the IMG, who get on okay with both groups, and are made up of both Dubliners and Rheinlanders.

Also they both have to hawk their contraband to someone. Open up markets for gold, blood diamonds and Guinness, much like the Outcasts and Corsairs are looking to expand on their smuggling rings.

How are the Corsairs sandwiched in the Omegas? They're on the offensive against the Mollys, though not by surprise anymore, since the Mollys have found out about the Omega-49 hole by now, and the Hessians are being fought to a standstill because of the Wild. They aren't sandwiched in any sense of the term. Outcast news says they're on the offensive, which I think, can be used to gauge how pressed the Outcast allies are pretty well...

My point? Move the base to the Newcastle Field in Cambridge instead, and rename the current one to be Corsair. It makes more sense this way...

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[bluntpencil2001]

How are the Corsairs sandwiched in the Omegas? They're on the offensive against the Mollys, though not by surprise anymore, since the Mollys have found out about the Omega-49 hole by now, and the Hessians are being fought to a standstill because of the Wild. They aren't sandwiched in any sense of the term. Outcast news says they're on the offensive, which I think, can be used to gauge how pressed the Outcast allies are pretty well...

The Hessians captured Casablanca. The Corsairs have made no such advances.

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[Benjamin]

Yeah the Fes is a defensive installation, not an offensive one. Always found the huge amount of Corsairs in 49 a little silly/untenable since there's no safe supply route back to Corsair territory proper.

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[Kambei]

Bacon you are completly wrong.

Hessians have upper hand around O3/CB JH ... Mollys can build their base somewhere around in CB. Rest of O3 is 50:50 hessians/sairs.

Why to be alied with Mollies...

Since hessians already own 2 bases in O47, cleaning of O49 is just matter of time. And gues who is living next to O49 from the other side? Mollys yaaaay.

With Mollys in CB next to JH into O3 we (hessians) can get upper hand even in O3.

Mollys are also nice source of cheap gold and they can keep annoying BAF far from our bussines in O3.

Take it from different view. There isnt just OC aliance vs sairs. There is OC aliance (dragons, lib unlawfuls) and Hessian aliance (rheinland groupes) vs sairs. Those two aliances are fighting togeather against sairs as equal partners. Mollys arent stupid bunch of empty heads, they know they need help with sairs and since there are at the moment 2 huge forces even alied togeather with same goal, only what they need is just work with one or even better with both of them. It is just on their decision if they will be more Hessian or OC friendly and since OCs are little bit colaborating with Bretonian goverment... I think more acceptable way for Mollys is Hessian sphere of influence.

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[Unseelie]

On the ALG in Leeds, The ALG are a commercial group, yes. They are a Rhienland based commercial group, which denotes them as neutral to the conflict, and possibly friendly with the Kusari. At worst, they're at risk of not being able to pick up the same contract if the system falls to Kusari. Also, how do Gaians feel about ALG?


On the topic of wars and development: Its quite possible to grow, economically, during a war. To colonize new lands, while being attacked. All of the eras on which the Four Houses were based (when is gallia based on?) Were eras of expansion: the Golden Afternoon, the Unification of Japan, the Roaring Twenties, the buildup to world war II...These are times where nations pursued many projects, Empires and wars and colonies, on many fronts. And now, 817AS, seems to be the most expansive period in the history of Sirius, a revolution of its own. Construction is happening. New markets and new battlefields are emerging, and nations would take every advantage of them.

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[Seth Karlo]

Various pictures:

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Gateway station in Manchester
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Tradelane in cortez to the Newcastle
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To Newcastle
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View of chester
On the left is the new moon
On the right is the BMM shipyard and gate construction site
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BMM shipyard with gate construction site in background
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Planetform base. Need to edit the planet
Wrong type

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