Apology to the Zoner Players

[jammi]

My QCP gunboat is named 'QCP|Abrasive'!

No joke!

Hmm, I discovered yesterday. Note to self, don't try it again:P

Didn't you read my proposed Extradition Treaty?

Or was it ignored because I posted it?

Wiser people than me have told me individual MPs can't propose treaties that dictate international policy. That would be down to the Foreign Office. And yes, we do have one - Bretonia has a fully functioning player government, which you don't represent. Courtesy wold have been to clear the treaty first.

Y'know what my solution would be to this.

Put my own bounty on Zoners up:rolleyes:

You have a Zoner bounty? Great! I was annoyed, becuase I checked Sina's bounty, then went ingame, killed a TAZ gunboat and when I checked back to claim, he'd taken it down. Wasn't happy.

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[Magoo!]

It's common sense to not treat those that harbour your enemies as neutral.

Lets crash a Juggernaut into New London! Never know how many Privateers might be chilling there.

[Benjamin]

To answer you as a player: You cannot expect for Zoners, a faction that has existed since Freelancer was released in 2003 or whatever, to suddenly change. This is embedded roleplay. There are aspects that players can change in-game and then there are aspects that are just beyond our control. You can't make Freeports NOT free especially because we're not the Dungeon Masters here.

Vanilla Zoners were around 3000 guys who flew water and food etc in dromedaries to remote pirate bases. They were teetering on the brink of being outlawed by Liberty (and presumably other houses would follow suit), had no power to speak of, were killed off by pirates if they crossed the line, and basically survived by making themselves valuable or not a target. They kept going by being small, non-threatening, under the radar and providing freeports. Only the freeport part of that is still part of zoner rp. So yeah, it can change.

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[bluntpencil2001]

Wiser people than me have told me individual MPs can't propose treaties that dictate international policy. That would be down to the Foreign Office. And yes, we do have one - Bretonia has a fully functioning player government, which you don't represent. Courtesy wold have been to clear the treaty first.

It's a war-time government. Things work different then. Just like when that German dude that crashed his plane in Scotland tried to end WW2 early. Besides, he never actually put forward a treaty, just a proposal. And got the pro-Corsair genocide response he expected.

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[dr lameos]

I'll say this as a zoner, there was an overreaction.
So some of our ships got pew-pewed? So what? I have to say there seems to have become a lack of understanding that this is ultimately, at its core, a PvP game (with spaceships) which we are RPing in. PvP will happen, like it or not.

On the flipside, its unrealistic that the privateers could get into the system, blow some zoner ships up and get out alive. You were extremely close to a home planet, in a system full of corsairs which already want your blood, nevermind the zoner 'fleet'. Furthermore, the only reasonable RP end to this would have been to fight you off, and what with the privateers, notably Blunt, appearing to have always had a grudge against zoners I expect there's nothing they would've wanted more than a 'war'.

The initial bounty was a farce, and Zeltak's was derived from that. In my view, yes there was an obscene amount of whining, but what was the possible solution, other than the zoners becoming compromised?

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[bluntpencil2001]

I'll say this as a zoner, there was an overreaction.
So some of our ships got pew-pewed? So what? I have to say there seems to have become a lack of understanding that this is ultimately, at its core, a PvP game (with spaceships) which we are RPing in. PvP will happen, like it or not.

On the flipside, its unrealistic that the privateers could get into the system, blow some zoner ships up and get out alive. You were extremely close to a home planet, in a system full of corsairs which already want your blood, nevermind the zoner 'fleet'. Furthermore, the only reasonable RP end to this would have been to fight you off, and what with the privateers, notably Blunt, appearing to have always had a grudge against zoners I expect there's nothing they would've wanted more than a 'war'.

The initial bounty was a farce, and Zeltak's was derived from that. In my view, yes there was an obscene amount of whining, but what was the possible solution, other than the zoners becoming compromised?

We didn't want a war, we wanted Corsairs to GTFO of Zoner bases.

Zoners actually fired first, due to our breach of NFZs.

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[William Frederick Cody]

Canon RP CAN change (...) Isnt that the point of modding, to expand cannon and/or change it?

Canon RP CAN change, yes, but forcing the change against the will of the Zoners himselfs cannot work. That is only annoying. If a real huge change in Zoners RP will happen, Zoners should perform that. As Rheinland went at war with Liberty, BOTH sides wanted that war.

Zoners do not want a war, and if lots of people spit in our faces/our RP to perform another status instead of the well known Zoners neutrality, its annoying

I dont whine about getting robbed with my trader.

I only play here, because i like to have fun.

Yes, I am a Zoner.

@all No-Zoners
And Zoners ARE neutral. Tax us, rob us, but please do not fart onto our RP or try to change OUR diplomatical status, which is the old vanilla style.

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[carlabrams]

I had the same thought but I lack motivation, all other arguments aside, it was bounty, like the LH blanket Bounty on all BHG in Liberty. Total over reaction to a bounty post and hate PM's to Zeltak? What the hell is that about? Shameful.

Wait, there's a bounty on all BHG? When did this happen? THIS MUST STOP! :(

</sarcasm off>

We've certainly RP'd through that little deal - and right now we primarily ignore it. Along with the bounty on BHG in Rheinland and Bretonia as well. Primarily because we're still the biggest, baddest hunters around. :)

The whole point behind requiring forum bounties in the first place was due to random PvP'ness. The admins wanted to put a stop to it - so they began requiring bounties on criminals, so that we couldn't just blast them simply because they were criminals. We had to have a REASON to kill the lane hacker in California. Thus was born the blanket bounty.

There was complaining about the blanket bounty on Junkers as well, and that certainly was RP'd through. Now there have been MANY recent incidents where players are using the Zoner ID to smuggle and violate house laws. The main response by the Zoner Council is - we can't police what independant Zoners do because they're - well, independant. So I see this bounty as a response from a government saying, Well, boys, it's time to clean your OWN act up. You don't want to control what your indies do - we'll make sure that you pay attention to them, and maybe someone will quit violating our laws. You're all a bunch of foreigners anyway, so get over yourselves.

The sheer fact is that many people have felt that since they have Zoner ID that they're immune to having bad things happen to them - and I've HAD Zoner players tell my LPI character that I can't stop or fine them because they're Zoners when I've CAUGHT them smuggling. I'm not saying that it's the ZAS or the TAZ or any of the regular factions doing this - but basically the actions of the indies have tainted the actions of the factions. (And no, I didn't intend for the alliteration or any humor there.)

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[bluntpencil2001]

Canon RP CAN change, yes, but forcing the change against the will of the Zoners himselfs cannot work. That is only annoying. If a real huge change in Zoners RP will happen, Zoners should perform that. As Rheinland went at war with Liberty, BOTH sides wanted that war.

Zoners do not want a war, and if lots of people spit in our faces/our RP to perform another status instead of the well known Zoners neutrality, its annoying

I dont whine about getting robbed with my trader.

I only play here, because i like to have fun.

Yes, I am a Zoner.

@all No-Zoners
And Zoners ARE neutral. Tax us, rob us, but please do not fart onto our RP or try to change OUR diplomatical status, which is the old vanilla style.

Creating Zoner fleets infringes upon my RP too.

I can't play a proper Zoner because of this.

Superpowers are never neutral. You can't have both.

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[Spear]

The sheer fact is that many people have felt that since they have Zoner ID that they're immune to having bad things happen to them - and I've HAD Zoner players tell my LPI character that I can't stop or fine them because they're Zoners when I've CAUGHT them smuggling.

Just to respond to that for a brief off-topic second.

Zoner ID: Cannot participate in any unlawful actions.

So not only are these Zoner smugglers you meet wrong about you being able to stop them, they are also in breach of their ID, you gotta love the irony of a player wrongly telling you what you can and cannot do while in the process of doing something he shouldn't.

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