To The Admins: In Reference to the TCG Faction Right 5

[Vogel]

Two cents..

I was under the impression when two factions are bordering each other and are hostile that they always 'are' supposed to be fighting, whether or not there are players there to do it. Liberty doesn't have a Gallic armada and must, 'should', have a large chunk of its resources on the border with Rheinland. Even though Alaska is a sensitive research area they can't possibly divert so much of the fleet that they would present a genuine threat to the Order, since the Order apparently has enough to safeguard Toledo from regular BHG/Nomad/Corsair/Outcast skirmishes, and should have been exchanging blows with the LN and LSF in Alaska all along. From this perspective Hale's threat to the Order is a bunch of hot air (no offense) since if the Order is such a big threat they would have been invaded, to the degree of Rheinland, already.

But don't mind me, I don't like being caught up in drama, which this place sadly has in terrible abundance..

[The.Wizard]

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[Tenacity]

Tenacity you forget you were proven to doctor evidence ..just like this time.. Post 3

Also making false claims Here

Things never change.

Never once have I "doctored" or falsified evidence, Waratah - not against you or anyone else in this community. Stop acting the sore loser and accept that you did something wrong and have to deal with the consequences.

Chances to roll over to the liberty navy and to you, you mean...

Arent the Navy and Order suposed to be at each others throats? About Alaska and stuff?

The Order, despite the multitudes of indy osirises and gebs we have flying about, is supposed to be a relatively small organization - especially so in comparison to a house government or military.

We are already fighting (and greatly outnumbered by) the BHG Core. On top of that, we're fighting the Keepers, the Iseijin, and the Wilde.

We do not have the resources, the ships, or the manpower to open full scale hostilities with the liberty navy at this time. We've never had that kind of power, and likely will never have it - our operations against liberty in alaska are to be taken with care, and primarily consist of hit and run attacks or precision strikes, not open warfare. That's how it has always been.

Waratah's actions threatened to put us in a full on conflict with liberty, a war which we -cannot- fight. We chose to abide by Hale's ultimatum to remove our capital ships from Alaska (but we never agreed to stop operations there completely - order fighters and bombers are still free to operate in alaska, so long as they do so stealthily as was always intended).

Waratah and his group are no different than the apocalypse faction that was sanctioned for this exact same thing months ago - most of them fly caps, most of them get off on pvpwhoring around alaska and new york, and none of them wanted to abide by our decision to remove large warships from alaska temporarily. Because of that, they acted in a rash manner, not thinking of the consequences, and got slammed for it.

In no way were we ever 'rolling over' to the liberty navy, as is being suggested by the blind folk here. It's not looked highly upon to spread misinformation and unsubstantiated rumors, tends to make you look like a tool. If you dont know the facts, dont open your mouth.

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[Tommeh]

Talk about NO U posts hah,Tommeh...????

Ehh, dude, how is that even.....nevermind. I don't see your point there.

Vogel, that is your view on Order, maybe they couldn't punch out Order immediately, but it would certainly be major threat to Order, which we wanted to stop.
LN wouldn't do that cause we didn't represented any major threat. That changed with certain ships threating LN FLeet Admiral that Navy vessels will be killed on sight with 6:1 in numbers.
But you know what, I won't bother to justify myself anymore to every person who has different opinion or view on this whole situation.

This explains mostly all:

But in all seriousness... Here's the thing.
Liberty is hostile to the Order. The order take an interest in the most secret part of Liberty space, where we do all sorts of shady stuff. Unpleasent research on people and nomads. It's like the very darkest and most unpleasent depths of Liberty. All the stuff conspiracy theorists get wood over.

Perfect territory for the order.

Hale issued his ultimatum to the order in roleplay. It was me, roleplaying the fact Liberty wasn't going to allow the order to do as they pleased, and reminding the order the two factions are at war.

This seemed to shock people.

The order high command's decision in RP was to roll over and go "Yeh ok liberty we stay out now." That's perfectly legitamate roleplay. The order don't really have the resources to fight a full blown and open conflict against the liberty navy,l BHG and nomads. That's not gunna end well.

A group within the order opposed that decision and said "Nah... screw you. I'm gunna go shooting those navy guys up." And that is also perfectly legitamate roleplay.

The two are in conflict with one another. Now... The Order| official faction represents the NPC faction as a whole. That's the format and that's the way it works. They got understandably pissed about a group going against that and acted on it.

That is the FR5.

If everything in this situation as taken as an in roleplay act, then it makes sence.

So, It was well within RP.
Not to count TCG still tried to kill Order Fleet Admiral....
How would you think this would be treated anywhere else, in RL or in other factions?
I did what was very well within my rights, as I believed it is the right thing to do for Order as whole.
I still believe that.
As Order| official faction we represent Order NPC faction. I reacted as I thought Order would react in such situation.
It was confirmed by admins which cleared my doubts do I have enough proof.
That is more then enough for me.
I have said everything I needed in here. And now I am out of this thread. Not posting here anymore.
You can keep throwing in provocations or whatever you want. I won't reply to it as it leads nowhere.
I am tired of this bickering...
Enjoy your "discussion" without me.

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[Morbid_Angel]

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Before you explained that, I never knew why the navy didnt take out Bufallo and Alcatraz and Ouray. Now I do. Its the rogue/xeno public relations divisions! Just like Orillion's PR section grabed the hearts and minds of every Libertonian. Cordial relations with the ORder is all the navy must be thinking about... with all that Rheinland war and DKV/nomad supertech sitting about.

I'll keep my mouth shut.

[Svarog]

The fact that the TCGs RP was so different from the Orders is what was causing the problems. You bringing the LN situation to a head when we would prefer to keep it in a state of cold war is what started the FR5 proceedings. The killing of Order agents and direct disobeying of oders from Osbourne was what put the final nail in the coffin so to speak.

Order|Cdr.M.Golanski.: Goldman, if your ship can be sacrificed we will be able to kill him without hesitate...
2010-07-16 23:21:20 SMT
TCG|Wizard.: Adm order goldman to stop now!!!!!
Death: TCG|Karver suffered a self inflicted catastrophic decompression.
2010-07-16 23:21:34 SMT
Myles.Ewing: 'Boom'
2010-07-16 23:21:34 SMT
Order|Cpl.Troy.Goldman: Sorted..
2010-07-16 23:21:36 SMT
Order|Cdr.M.Golanski.: How traitors end.
2010-07-16 23:21:39 SMT
Order|Cpl.Jake.Night: GOLDMAN Listen to your damn Admiral, and stop FRACKKING FIREING!
2010-07-16 23:21:48 SMT
Order|Adm.Jack.Osborne: Goldman bloody hell, you are reliefed of your duty, report to hangars and hand over your ship.

TCG incident
Jesus
2 bomber and fighter in Alaska?
Paul Hogan, Marley, Willy Loman,they fear the entire Liberty
I do not think so

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[The.Wizard]

Waratah and his group are no different than the apocalypse faction that was sanctioned for this exact same thing months ago - most of them fly caps, most of them get off on pvpwhoring around alaska and new york, and none of them wanted to abide by our decision to remove large warships from alaska temporarily. Because of that, they acted in a rash manner, not thinking of the consequences, and got slammed for it.

????? We have ONLY TWO Osiris!!!!!ONLY TWO!!!!(and one of them is in game once every month).hahahaah...and we didn't go to Alaska for month before this!!!

And NEVER pvpwhoring around NY JG...NEVER!!!! How much lies can you produce in one night?????

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[Brix]

Just wanted to say how this all began :rtfm:

So lets get the sumary on this:

1. LNS Battlecruiser comes to Minor and wants to SELL Order pilots....really nice slaver RP, too bad he had the wrong ID
2. Order secondary fleet members call TCG for asistance, and TCG comes to help them
3. They all jump to Alaska where is waiting Liberty Dreadnought
4. Order agents tell they dont want trouble, only captured pilots returned to them (I really cant understand why any Order pilot would ask this) :crazy:
5. Liberty dreadnought says they have found trouble and he is not giving order pilots to them without a fight
6. All start to pew pew
7. (I dont know this for sure, just guessing) LNS ships call for backup
8. LNS fleet arives and they start pew-pew
9. Order Primary fleet arives telling everybody to stop shooting, cause TCG is there and its probably their fault that fight began... like always
10. No one listens to what Primary fleet is saying.... like always
11. Fights ends, and everyone goes their separate way
12. Primary fleet accuses TCG for begining the fight with Navy, spining planets, gravity, cancer, inflation, taking cookies from small children....
everyone soon forget for Order pilots being sold by the LNS...really unimportant stuff here
13. Admiral of Liberty Navy issues statement in which he sais he will invade Minor if any TCG, Order| or any Order afiliated ship enters Alaska or NY (which he has every RP right to do so)
14. Order| guys say: "no problem mate..we will not enter Alaska, we will excecute Barnes and his lolwuts,
we will abandon Atum and all of his personel (remember Atum? that Order top-secret base in Alaska) and we can all leave in peace in prosperity.
15. TCG got FR5-ed! :yahoo:

End of story!

See you next week in our next episode "Adventures of Jim Barnes and his band - The Flying Lolwuts"

TCG|Mephisto out!

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[Jihadjoe]

Well that was nicely eloquent... If a little angry.


The questions which sit in my mind are these:

- Did the TCG and Order| disagree with each on principle, because the TCG dislike the Order| and the Order| dislike the TCG?

- Was this dislike entirely contained within roleplay or was it a personal and oorp dislike?

- Did one or both sides of the issue persue out of roleplay concerns in a roleplay environment?


Maybe they're not questions to answer out loud, but just answer in your own heads...

*walks away*

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[Waratah]

Svarog's post clearly shows how i was attacked and even the admiral
reprimands his own pilot for attacking me. And others tell him to stop
shooting me ..but this never happened did it.

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