Oh. Auschwitz. Comparing Zoners to Nazis now? No, no one would WANT to rebuilt Auschwitz. It was a horrible place where horrible things were done.
I still think it was more like Pearl Harbor-- the people of Freeport 7 hadn't committed any mass genocides on Nomads or anyone else. It just granted safe haven to a particular thief, not knowing the consequences.
im not comparing zoners to nazis. im speaking about a concept of a place where a lot of people died / was destroyed suddenly / whatever and people kept it in it's condition to remind the future generations about what heppened.
freeport 7 incident is a part of sirius history, so to speak. by removing the wreck / debris, you partially erase it from the books. there are other reasons that were already stated in this thread. from future mod developement, to cramping 3 freeports in a partial warzone (of several conflicts, might i add)
' Wrote:im not comparing zoners to nazis. im speaking about a concept of a place where a lot of people died / was destroyed suddenly / whatever and people kept it in it's condition to remind the future generations about what heppened.
freeport 7 incident is a part of sirius history, so to speak. by removing the wreck / debris, you partially erase it from the books. there are other reasons that were already stated in this thread. from future mod developement, to cramping 3 freeports in a partial warzone (of several conflicts, might i add)
I'm not suggesting the wreck be removed. The useless scrap not even the Junkers could use still remains, and it should remain. However, just as graveyards and churches are usually seen together, great tragedies usually see memorials built there.
Pearl Harbor was suddenly destroyed by an act of aggression. It was not an inherently evil place, but was still suddenly and violently attacked, and many people died. If you go to it now, there's a memorial floating over the wreckage of the USS Arizona, which is still there.
Auschwitz was a horrible place where horrible actions were performed. Many people died there. However, there is even a memorial museum built nearby to educate future generations on the horrific actions that took place there.
I'm not suggesting the wreckage be removed. I'm not suggesting we dig up the graves. But a place where pilots can dock to view the graves I feel is very appropriate, for this reason, and others I have already mentioned at length and not been acknowledged on.
And you can't even give a why that actually addresses the issue. You just up and declare that it won't happen because oh my god a few minutes of work isn't worth a huge RP boost to the Sigmas. That is sad. Very, very sad.
' Wrote:You want a reason? Reread all of my posts.
Oh, wow, I got so busy getting trolled by Zelot I didn't even notice your one post. I'll address it now.
' Wrote:You do know it's not the nav map that matters when there are jumpholes that take you across an entire third of the map in one jump, right? There is an FP in Omicron Theta, all of ONE JUMP from Sigma-17 where you suggest we put a Zoner station. A Zoner station in Sigma-17 would be a redundant station with absolutey no purpose, considering there is Freeport 9 next door, and Corfu Base which is already a redundant base, on the other side of Omicron Theta.
It would not have absolutely no purpose, as I have explained before, over and over and over. The <strike>Corsair</strike>Zoner bases in Theta are in Corsair territory, and the Zoner group that had jurisdiction over Freeport 9 denied access to the enemies of Corsairs, thus making it a Freeport in name only. I had figured OSI also had jurisdiction over Corfu Base. This makes the nearest Freeports to the Sigmas Freeport 10 in Tau-37, all the way on the other side of Omicron Alpha, and Freeport 11, all the way out in Omicron Delta, Nomad Space. If OSI does not have jurisdiction over Corfu Base, please direct me to whoever does. If OSI has reversed its policies and now allows the enemies of the Corsairs to dock, resupply, repair, shmooze, whatever, please have them post here saying so, or post a link to wherever they did say so. if OSI no longer has jurisdiction over Freeport 9, please say so, and direct me to whoever does.
' Wrote:Not to mention the Zoners already have THIRTEEN bases and a planet.. That's not counting thetwo guard systems. Counting them would put us at 19 Zoner stations, 1 Zoner planet. Is there any faction in the mod that DOESN'T need a station as badly as the Zoners right now?
Zoners don't need Freeports as much as other factions need Freeports. Corsairs need Freeports, Outcasts need Freeports, Bounty Hunters need Freeports. Everybody (yes, Zoners too) benefits from Freeports (except House militaries, they don't benefit much). A Freeport =/= a Zoner base. A Zoner base benefits only the Zoners. A Freeport benefits everybody.
' Wrote:It was nice idea.. but when you think about it, other FPs are close relatively and If am not wrong GMG has it's bases around there..
Look at that map. South and West Sirius have few if any systems which aren't either A, guard systems, or B, one or fewer jumps from a Freeport or House system. The same is not so in the Sigmas. And I don't think the GMG runs any of its bases as Freeports (yet).
' Wrote:No No No and No.
IF your too lazy to fly one system over to dock that's your problem.
It's more a matter of a thread of being Faction Right 5'd if I did in fact fly over two systems and dock.
' Wrote:It would not have absolutely no purpose, as I have explained before, over and over and over. The <strike>Corsair</strike>Zoner bases in Theta are in Corsair territory, and the Zoner group that had jurisdiction over Freeport 9 denied access to the enemies of Corsairs, thus making it a Freeport in name only. I had figured OSI also had jurisdiction over Corfu Base. This makes the nearest Freeports to the Sigmas Freeport 10 in Tau-37, all the way on the other side of Omicron Alpha, and Freeport 11, all the way out in Omicron Delta, Nomad Space. If OSI does not have jurisdiction over Corfu Base, please direct me to whoever does. If OSI has reversed its policies and now allows the enemies of the Corsairs to dock, resupply, repair, shmooze, whatever, please have them post here saying so, or post a link to wherever they did say so. if OSI no longer has jurisdiction over Freeport 9, please say so, and direct me to whoever does.
Theta isn't Corsair territory. Gamma is Corsair territory. Eta is a warzone and doesn't belong to either. Theta is Zoner territory and always has been. And yes, OSI allow anyone to dock FP9 and Corfu. ANY person that isn't an enemy of the ZONERS is allowed to dock in the bases in Theta. You obviously don't do your research. As such, there is no need for a Sigma-17 Freeport.
' Wrote:Zoners don't need Freeports as much as other factions need Freeports. Corsairs need Freeports, Outcasts need Freeports, Bounty Hunters need Freeports. Everybody (yes, Zoners too) benefits from Freeports (except House militaries, they don't benefit much). A Freeport =/= a Zoner base. A Zoner base benefits only the Zoners. A Freeport benefits everybody.
Freeport is owned by Zoners? Check. Freeport is controlled and managed by Zoners? Check.
It's a Zoner base.
' Wrote:Look at that map. South and West Sirius have few if any systems which aren't either A, guard systems, or B, one or fewer jumps from a Freeport or House system. The same is not so in the Sigmas. And I don't think the GMG runs any of its bases as Freeports (yet).
It's more a matter of a thread of being Faction Right 5'd if I did in fact fly over two systems and dock.
As I said in my post. The map means absolutely nothing. When there are jumpholes going from the far-north section of the map to the bottom-right section in a single jump, the map doesn't matter one bit for this. What matters is numbers of jumps. Not location on the map. Sigma-17 is ONE JUMP FROM THETA. As such, no need for a Zoner base of any kind, Zoner or Freeport. It wouldn't even get used. It'd just sit there.
Now, you've got two devs, Zelot and myself, both telling you it won't happen, and giving reasons for it. You're not willing to give up the argument, so you are ignoring the simple facts as to why it won't be added.
As Tupa said; Stop being lazy. It's one jump. You're also being lazy and not researching the issue. You've gotten so many things wrong it isn't funny. You're wasting your time on an argument that will get you nowhere.
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