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[6th Liberty Navy Fleet]

Hello! I create charter of fleet, but need help! Who can talk with me about it in PM?

- @Mr.Mike.

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[6th Liberty Navy Fleet]

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I fulfilled all the basic plans. Now I'm thinking about tackling the design of the fleet policy, and then - by adding new items to the charter.

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[suppy]

We had a bit of a problem with one of yours, 6th|LNS-"Justice" today in Cali.

Some background because it will be important.

Our little Gallic funpack had recently moved into Cali for some missions after winning a 3v3 against some Libertonians, where LNS-New.Wales was one of the LN ships destroyed. By all means it was a pretty good fight, which started out as two LSCs and a bomber attacking myself (a BC) and a BS. Eventually a Gallic DD showed up, and it was all pretty paired off.

One of the Libcruisers fled and a bomber was destroyed, and shortly after LNS-New.Wales was destroyed too by a missile from our BS.

Now, we're in Liberty doing missions. We see a big group of LN ships, including 6th Justice mustering for a battle. So we all try to get together. I am alone, and at half health because I have been doing missions. I tradelane up to Los Angeles, where there are at least three caps (including Justice) and two bombers. They immediately gank and destroy me in a matter of seconds, and quickly blow up an isolated GRN destroyer as well.

I sent Justice a PM asking to keep a handle on their gank, and then asked New Wales to do the same. New Wales straight up said it was a retaliatory gank (for losing a 3v3, apparently) and when I tried to bring this up with 6th Justice, I was basically told where I could shove it.

You have a member and representative of your faction intentionally ganking lone, half-health caps. Is that 6th policy? You really need to let your members know that "revenge" ganking because your friend is QQing is in extremely bad form. This is my first encounter with 6th and I really hope this isn't indicative of faction culture.

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I was present on my Firestalker.
You were the third hostile ship the Liberty group came across and you approached to Los Angeles from the tradelane from Riverside. You died, because you decided to take tradelanes in hostile territory while being at half-health and after seeing one of the other gallic caps already die.

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[Black.Cat]

Dude MRG |RNS-Chanzy. I was ganked by your Valor (GCM), you, Destroyer (GCM). You ganked me we ganked you.

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[6th Liberty Navy Fleet]

We had a bit of a problem with one of yours, 6th|LNS-"Justice" today in Cali.

Some background because it will be important.

Our little Gallic funpack had recently moved into Cali for some missions after winning a 3v3 against some Libertonians, where LNS-New.Wales was one of the LN ships destroyed. By all means it was a pretty good fight, which started out as two LSCs and a bomber attacking myself (a BC) and a BS. Eventually a Gallic DD showed up, and it was all pretty paired off.

One of the Libcruisers fled and a bomber was destroyed, and shortly after LNS-New.Wales was destroyed too by a missile from our BS.

Now, we're in Liberty doing missions. We see a big group of LN ships, including 6th Justice mustering for a battle. So we all try to get together. I am alone, and at half health because I have been doing missions. I tradelane up to Los Angeles, where there are at least three caps (including Justice) and two bombers. They immediately gank and destroy me in a matter of seconds, and quickly blow up an isolated GRN destroyer as well.

I sent Justice a PM asking to keep a handle on their gank, and then asked New Wales to do the same. New Wales straight up said it was a retaliatory gank (for losing a 3v3, apparently) and when I tried to bring this up with 6th Justice, I was basically told where I could shove it.

You have a member and representative of your faction intentionally ganking lone, half-health caps. Is that 6th policy? You really need to let your members know that "revenge" ganking because your friend is QQing is in extremely bad form. This is my first encounter with 6th and I really hope this isn't indicative of faction culture.

Guy, the tactic of the battle with the Gauls, has already developed as a reflex. I can give many examples when we were leading the RP, and then we saw how instead of 4 people (for example) with whom we conducted the RP, 10 more came to their aid. And there was an elementary gank, about which you write here.

The situation made it so: either to drag out time and give to enemy a chance to win, or to break his forces at the very beginning, which greatly increases the our chances of winning. Especially since you were in the space of Liberty's house. This is tantamount to how 3 border guards met the enemy. You seriously think that 1 of the border guards will say: "I myself can manage it"?

And yes, regarding the mission: you saw that in that system there are hostile players. It's only your problem that you go there. Do not get me wrong: I'm an honest player, but I'm sick of standing with Gallia. As practice shows, it's better to quickly attack than wait for the enemy that they gain strength.

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[suppy]

I'm not saying you can't fight a ship who has lost hull, and although letting someone pass to their fleet is polite and in good taste I don't expect everyone to do that (CR does). I would've been perfectly fine taking on one or even two pilots, but it is good form to split off, and not pour on with every ship immediately.

Ganking is not a reflex, it's a decision. It doesn't matter if you've had groups jump you with huge fleets in the past, at no point did we have the numbers you did. That's what separates gangs of indies from factions with actual leadership. As a faction you need to be able to take that responsibility to say "OK well, at one point we waited and got jumped 6v10, but it's obvious there are 5/6 of us here and 4/5 of them so we don't need to pull tricks this time."

either to drag out time and give to enemy a chance to win, or to break his forces at the very beginning, which greatly increases the our chances of winning.

Are you for real? If all you have is a lust to immediately win any possible PvP battle before it begins, I don't know what to say to that. To "drag out time and give the enemy a chance to win" is literally what actual factions do so that everyone can have fun. We do this with BAF, LN, CR, pretty much everyone.

We wait for them to get their ships together because a sequence of 5v1 curb-stomps isn't fun for anyone. But this wasn't my original point, only the fact that everyone here - including yourself, apparently - is straight up saying that it's ok for 6th to gank if someone feels like they have been ganked (they weren't). That's completely absurd. However, I have to say I'm surprised that it's your faction's policy to gank ships to death so you can stamp out any chance of a battle starting.

Dude MRG |RNS-Chanzy. I was ganked by your Valor (GCM), you, Destroyer (GCM). You ganked me we ganked you.

Being the last one alive in a 3v3 isn't ganking. I don't know how to explain this better. Get some flaks and map keys for turret steering.

Even if you had been ganked, even if it was by ten Valours against your snub, getting your navy friends and doing a retaliation gank is deplorable conduct.

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[6th Liberty Navy Fleet]

Ganking is not a reflex

I write twice that in relation to Gallia, the concept of "gank" has almost become a reflex? This is not far away.

Are you for real? If all you have is a lust to immediately win any possible PvP battle before it begins, I don't know what to say to that. To "drag out time and give the enemy a chance to win" is literally what actual factions do so that everyone can have fun. We do this with BAF, LN, CR, pretty much everyone.

I quite seriously. I can tell you how I spent time in Magellan, and 10 Valors from Leeds came out against our 3 Dreadnoughts. I remember how we spent time in Magellan, and Gallia has teamed up even more than we have.

And I would not say that it was "gank revenge" - I certainly did not destroy your ship for this. I was more interested in the tactical advantage. If New Wales told you that it was revenge, then he wrote it to you, not our group. And these are two different things.

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[Jessitrescott]

I quite seriously. I can tell you how I spent time in Magellan, and 10 Valors from Leeds came out against our 3 Dreadnoughts.

do you have evidence backing this accusation ?

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[Thunderer]

Dude, it's Liberty. You're complaining about a gank in Liberty. That's like complaining that you have fat in your meal, in McDonald's. Gank or be ganked.

PS: Also, their POB is under siege
So, they deserve the right to defend it with whatever they can muster.

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