I pirating for some time now. Got corsair gunboat named Dirty_Swine. And i do it for fun, not money. Usually demand sugar to feed my swines onboard, and only rich traders, over level 70, with a fee of not more than 1 000 000 (most of time i demand only 500 000) lower lever from 60-70 paying 100k, and <60 dont pay anything, instead they got blessing of thousand swines for good flight and its not rare that i even help em with money, by sending em via ship online terminal.
And everyone for now been friendly with me, have good time RP and are willing to pay.
Except 2-3 of them who dont even say anything, but just start running like a rabbits, and they are dont willing even to hear how much i demand.
so would i, run first, and only if i cant, listen to the demands.
But corsair gunboats have the fine tradition of beeing the worst pirates (in rp), i never had fun with a single one of them.
I don't know of any route that's worth keeping with a 3mil tax on it; maybe the 5k guys can do it but my 3500 cargo bucket is finding something else to do.
' Wrote:I pirating for some time now. Got corsair gunboat named Dirty_Swine. And i do it for fun, not money. Usually demand sugar to feed my swines onboard, and only rich traders, over level 70, with a fee of not more than 1 000 000 (most of time i demand only 500 000) lower lever from 60-70 paying 100k, and <60 dont pay anything, instead they got blessing of thousand swines for good flight and its not rare that i even help em with money, by sending em via ship online terminal.
And everyone for now been friendly with me, have good time RP and are willing to pay.
Except 2-3 of them who dont even say anything, but just start running like a rabbits, and they are dont willing even to hear how much i demand.
Something like that is what everyone should do, pirating is mere RP not profit, in the time you make 5 mil pirating, you could have made at least 20mil or more trading, so why not asking 1mil to traders (maybe 2mil to bigger ones)?
I'm actually a proponent of bigger piracy fees. I know it goes both ways, and if I got stopped half way through my run and got my whole shipment jacked by a couple of guys when I got shot out of a lane, I'd be sad. But if I was cruising through jumpholes and walked right in to a trap that had been set specifically for me, I'd feel a lot better about handing my goods over.
But yeah, piracy isn't a good way to make money. Maybe it should be?
I think this stuff would be easier if we had less zoners and more corps. I know my LWB would have no problem ignoring all non-synth traders, if there were actually a significant amount of synth foods traders around. A bunch of factions have 'enemies' like that. Gaians, Mollies, the FA, LWB, Unioners, Red Hessians and Lane Hackers were all essentially formed in opposition to a single corporation each. And all of these (with the possible exception of Gaians and Planetform and Unioners and Republican) are much, much larger than the corporations they are supposedly minority opposition to.
Hold on this post isn't really about piracy any more! The idea I'm trying to get across is a decrease in targets and an increase in profits. Ideally you'd hit your personal hated factions for full cargo or obscene money, and ignore everyone else. Ideally zoners wouldn't get pirated, but they basically have to be, because they represent a huge proportion of traders/the total volume of goods shipped.
On one hand I feel piracy sucks. I hate being stopped by pirates and demanded money from, money I haven't even made yet because I have yet to reach my destination. To top it off, I come online for an hour or so to trade. My route takes 45+ minutes as is, and I have to spend my valuable time paying some other fella to have fun. Not fair. Furthermore, sitting on a trade lane waiting for some trader to come along with a swarm of NPC ships attacking the pirate isn't exactly RP either. Specially when the pirates whole RP experience is 'gimme or die'. I try to RP with every pirate I come across, and only less than a handful ever work for the credits with RPing. But some pirates, most I'd have to say, are extremely impatient and open fire as soon as you try to plea your case in RP. They just don't wanna hear it. I've seen zoners be pirated in front of zoner freeports, or an IMG in front of their bases. This is also absurd as the base would send protection if it wasn't a computer simulation, which it isn't in RP.
On the other hand I'd be lying if I said I don't have fun when I have to run from some pirate with a half baked plan. There are also counters available such as escorts and bounties to deal with pirates, though currently they are ineffective. Now if we made a rule that if a pirate who dies because of a bounty not only has to give the money they took back, but also pay for the bounty...that would be something. Make it cost them too for pirating and getting caught. Or a flat fee of 3 million for fighter class pirates, 5 million for GBs when they are caught and killed. Money goes to the trader of course, for his trouble and expenses of a bounty.
I also feel that corporations would take measures to prevent pirates from taking their cargo or credits. Like areas around bases can't be touched, per RP. Trade lanes shouldn't be used by pirates either, since they are supposed to be security codes on those lanes. Most house systems probably charge taxes for their trade lanes being used, or should per RP. Politically, as well, a company like BoWEx wouldn't stand for one of their ships being torn up or robbed. The repercussions would be rippling through all levels of law enforcement to get off their butts and make pirates understand 'come to our systems, and pay through the teeth...right after we kick you in them'.
For the record, I do have pirate characters. But they don't hold up traders, mostly for the reasons above. Lastly, most of my pirate friends make more money pirating than trading.
' Wrote:Why report. Admins have better things to do. Ask a friend to get a transport and kill him, tractor the loot and sell. We always have a Pir transport ready just because they dont pay.
yep no need to report we can solve this mafia style:P
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My route takes 45+ minutes as is, Assuming this is one way, your doing it wrong! 45+ for a route is... an astounding amount of time. I hope your hauling some good stuff, cuz you can make lots in 15 minutes.
Furthermore, sitting on a trade lane waiting for some trader to come along with a swarm of NPC ships attacking the pirate isn't exactly RP either. How else do you suggest we pirate?
But some pirates, most I'd have to say, are extremely impatient and open fire as soon as you try to plea your case in RP. They just don't wanna hear it. In my experience it's because the traders are delaying for some sort of "call for backup"/Rabbiting tactic. Maybe the difference with me, is in my RP i warn them about that.
I've seen zoners be pirated in front of zoner freeports, or an IMG in front of their bases. This is also absurd as the base would send protection if it wasn't a computer simulation, which it isn't in RP. This is true. Bad form for the pirates. But then you also get bad-to-the-bone pirates. Avoid them.
On the other hand I'd be lying if I said I don't have fun when I have to run from some pirate with a half baked plan. There are also counters available such as escorts and bounties to deal with pirates, though currently they are ineffective. I hope you have just as much fun when you're outsmarted by a pirate.
Now if we made a rule that if a pirate who dies because of a bounty not only has to give the money they took back, but also pay for the bounty...that would be something. Make it cost them too for pirating and getting caught. Or a flat fee of 3 million for fighter class pirates, 5 million for GBs when they are caught and killed. Money goes to the trader of course, for his trouble and expenses of a bounty. Silly Idea. Pirating is hard enough as it is.
I also feel that corporations would take measures to prevent pirates from taking their cargo or credits. Like areas around bases can't be touched, per RP. Trade lanes shouldn't be used by pirates either, since they are supposed to be security codes on those lanes. Most house systems probably charge taxes for their trade lanes being used, or should per RP. Politically, as well, a company like BoWEx wouldn't stand for one of their ships being torn up or robbed. The repercussions would be rippling through all levels of law enforcement to get off their butts and make pirates understand 'come to our systems, and pay through the teeth...right after we kick you in them'. Most of all I hear in this is "Wah wah". Corporations DO do things. Like Hire escorts. Like switch chars onto the LABC's. Base areas, well, thats up to the individual pirates conscience - will he be a sportsman about it or not? Nothing you can do about it. Tradelanes is a debatable point. Some yes, some no. I'd hate for that to become a rule. Politically they might not, but realistically what could they do? Oh I dunno, pay insurance, and hire escorts? Maybe. Don't forget that there is an entire Two HOUSES and societies made up of Criminal elements (corsairs and outcasts) that the houses have to deal with. In comparison to what they do, tradelane/trader pirating would be considered petty theft.
For the record, I do have pirate characters. But they don't hold up traders, mostly for the reasons above. Lastly, most of my pirate friends make more money pirating than trading. I pity your pirate character then. Take some lessons from Baltar or the Liberty Rogues (player faction).
If I may comment.:)
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