The Mollys + Post #109.

[Govedo13]

Wrong, if you knew me and IMG| roleplay you'd see that we are far from "only money". The Dublin-NY stuff is far from the best thing IMG can do.

If this is also true I can make blind shot and offer you cease of the hostilities. You come back to Dublin you mine, we catch you mining you give us the half of your cargo in cargo or in credit value. Any non-gold/gold ore hauling IMG transports wont be taxed by us. We dock with everything that we have on Hood except cruisers, we make ourselves blind for our enemies docking there, we allow IMG miners to dock on Arranmore if they are attacked by Pirates. IMG agrees to deliver 10 000 different units of supplys to us per month. You let us paint big poster on the Hood with the words "Free Dublin" and you clam that you dont know who painted it in front of brets.
Independents are excluded from the deal since we cannot control them on both sides. We have nothing against IMG mining, we have against IMG mining molly fields for 1 mill if catched.
Would you agree on something among this lines if you are not "only money" type of miners?
Other option is to ask the devs to remove the IMG mining bonus for Dublin. Other group of really non-gready people done it as Zoner mining company-they mined tons of ore without any mining bonus just to justify their Role-Play.
Leave the mining to MMC just buy the ore from them, we in [M] can also make several shared miners and sell you ore. But coming in our field offering 1 mill and crying why we dont accept it and how bad are we is pathetic.

The IMG is also not the greedy corporation but a loose guild of miners that hate to be exploited because of their weakness.

If this is true why you act as such? At the very moment when your profits were in danger the stunts started.

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Official faction players that are often accused of elitism, never deploy them and have those weird, immersion killing "fair fight/dueling" suicidal hobbies. (yes, i've seen enough of those lolduels, where house military with overwhelming force on the field willingly loses a pilot in a duel. ffs.)

[Elven]

To everyone:
1) Calm down.
2) Let's deal with this IRP - I see a lot of points to be said IRP. Like reminding each other "we're comin from the same origins, relax, lads".
3) And let's find compromise sometime?

Also, Henderson, I can show you some even more evil Rp towards ya.:POf course only if you agree, I'm not really into pissing others off.

EDIT: Also want to prove IMG doesn't attack Mollys, I was ignored by one today while pirating BMM... ._.

[Jack_Henderson]

If this is true why you act as such? At the very moment when your profits were in danger the stunts started.

Can't you see that the "stunts" were roleplay? The valid reaction of someone who would ingamely hate to see his situation deteriorate? That's just the most logic reaction that you will get.

Did you except to come in with [M], put a paper on the table, we sign and you are good to go? You are a new, emerging faction, coming out of the chaos of the breakdown of the last official one. We rp-ed it as something like a revolution inside the Molly, a shift of generations.

Of course the IMG, as a party that had good deals with the old generation, would not yell "Great!!!" to the new guys. So we would do "stunts". Sure. That's roleplay.

If this is also true I can make blind shot and offer you cease of the hostilities. You come back to Dublin you mine, we catch you mining you give us the half of your cargo in cargo or in credit value.

I would not care, personally, as I have all the money I need. But it would hurt our new members and we are a beginner faction. And, sorry, 50 % is ridiculous. You spend 10-30 seconds "roleplay" on pirating and we spend 10 minutes mining. That's not working. Every player with a bit of a sense of fairness will hate it.

This is why I said: respect the wishes of the players you cooperate with. You and me need to cooperate, even though our characters might not like each other.

We dock with everything that we have on Hood except with cruisers.

Great understanding of IMG diplomacy. *irony* That would make BAF place Battleships around Hood and restrict IMG's movement to 10 k around Hood. We had that before. If you want to cooperate, you need to know the limits of what is possible.

Fact: IMG Hood is in Dublin. That means: BAF doesn't want it gone (they could annex it irply). So good RP demands of IMG not to do anything that would irply lead to BAF taking Hood.

Letting all Mollys land on Hood after their stunt of shooting the BAF Admiral next to Hood is just impossible.

To be honest, I think the IMG is generous by allowing all civilian Molly traffic (miners, traders, liners, freighters) to dock there. Hood is a place of trade. All traders are welcome. Warships are not in a war.

IMG agrees to deliver 10 000 different units of supplys to us per month.

I proposed things like that. Even dangerous, covert stuff like firearms, etc.

We have nothing against IMG mining, we have against IMG mining molly fields for 1 mill if catched.

And I agreed that the old treaty needed changes. It used to be okay when Garda was around. It was a different time. But yes, we were in the process of changing. But you could not wait to force us into war before even a rough draft could be made.

Would you agree on something like that if you are not "only money" type of miners?

I would. Our player base of new players (check our recruitment thread and the forum registrations if you don't believe me) would be seriously hurt by the numbers you proposed. So I cannot do that. I won't waste 50 % of their play time on 20 seconds of mediocre pirate interaction.

Other option is to ask the devs to remove the mining bonus for Dublin. Other group of really non-gready people done it as Zoner mining company-they mined tons of ore without any mining bonus just to justify their Role-Play.

Why don't you pirate for a bottle of rum if you are not looking for money? This game is driven by the movement of money. And I already explained that a beginner faction needs to have incentives and possibilities to earn money to get into the game.

If you want a lively Dublin, do not fiddle with the bonus. If you want a better Dublin, increase the BMM bonus. But that's another sandbox.

Leave the mining to MMC just buy the ore from them, we in [M] can also make several shared miners and sell you ore.

THAT is the first useful proposition you have made (as long as it is limited to Arranmore field). The first creative, economically feasible attempt to do things the right way.

But coming in our field offering 1 mill and crying why we dont accept it and how bad are we is pathetic.

I never contended that the 1 million contract was not reasonable any more.

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[chopper]

Jack, first thing first, Cyril.O'Reily shooting at you and dying to IMG|Zeta was not a reason to put you to hostile. You are the one exaggerating in this case, since hostilities started a lot before. [M] can confirm this.

Second thing, it was your own fault to insist on bringing MMC to those peace talks. I don't want to step on their toes, but seriously Jack, are you going to tell me that the MMC behaved like a Molly faction? Why not just slapping IMG ID on their ships. They even stood next to your ships, instead of next to Molly ones, in those peace talks. Not to mention Quinn talking rubbish about how it's perfectly normal that Hood doesn't allow Mollys to dock, while he's completely ignorant to the fact your ships were allowed to dock on Arranmore. If you want to consult lore on this one, Hood is a completely free zone for everyone who wants to dock on it. It's like a Freeport. MMC were claiming they will cooperate with IMG no matter what happens. What's their point being in those peace talks then? They just provoked every single Molly in that situation. At one point Quinn even claimed he's a bigger Molly then I am because he's a billionaire, and I'm poor. What the hell?

Third thing. Who's fault is all this? Everyone's. Here's how the events developed in the past month.

- O'Reilys attacked a indie IMG and destroyed it after he refused to pay and threatened with Reavers.

- Henderson called O'Reilys to talk with them, which they accepted. He was pissed off because we destroyed an IMG vessel, however, when we have given evidence about that vessel's behavior, Jack washed hands saying he's not responsible for non-core vessels. Why did we talk in the first place than, Jack? Are you responsible for them only when you need it, and when they claim you're sending the Reavers than they become 'indies'. In those talks IMG gunboat opened fire on Cyril.O'Reily because he opened fire on a Bowex.

- Soon after, some talks started on O'Reilys - IMG. We threatened each other, and after some harsh words - you Jack decided O'Reilys are hostile from that point on. I want to remind you that we did not destroy a single IMG vessel up to that point, and as I told you personally, we started destroying IMG only some 4 days ago.

- IMG hired Reavers, which is of course a secret deal, but O'Reilys had some ingame knowledge about this (read above) and used this fact to get the other Mollys on their side. Other Mollys were later enlightened when they personally saw IMG weaponry on Silver.Reaver's ship, as well as some Reavers undocking from Hood. I disagree it's metagaming, but we already talked about it.

- I talked to IMG|Miles.Green in a Nyx close to Hood, challenged him to a race, stuff like that. At one point he cruised away towards Essex, and I followed hoping he'd dock there. However, he did not, and some Pirate ID'd Sabre started chasing him in order to shoot him. I hopped in, CD'd the Sabre so the Nyx could get away and then destroyed it, effectively saving one of your pilots. (or at least making things easier for him).

- Some more forum RP and threatening.

- [M]Bo.Littl, some MMC, and me fought off some Bretonians and Mercenaries around Arranmore. BHG| undocked from Hood, engaged us, suffered, then docked back. This is important because you allow Mercenaries to base attacks on Mollys from Hood, yet you don't allow Mollys to dock on it. So, basically, friends can't dock, but neutrals can. Doesn't make much sense to me.

- IMG gunboats chasing me whole god damn day around Dublin (I would like to repeat myself here that we did not destroy a single IMG| vessel up to that point, and only destroyed the IMG indie I already mentioned in the start). IMG were claiming all the time that I am not so tough now as I am against Hegemons. When I asked which Hegemon I destroyed, I got nothing but silence.

- I destroyed IMG|Gamma-1, one of your Hegemons that was actually in Arranmore field, even if you claimed you stopped your operations in Arranmore field. So this is an interesting part. I also gave him an option to pay a fine and leave the field, he arrogantly responded he'll fulfill 1/2 of my request, and started cruise engines. Then he died.

- IMG brought a gunboat fleet to Arranmore field, in order to arrest me. There was some shooting, [M] didn't engage IMG, IMG didn't engage [M], I killed one IMG, Reaver killed one [M], Hone killed some AI's. Fun event, no big deal, except that it was a siege of Arranmore pretty much. I don't mind.
At this point we all insisted [M] should do something about it, and pick a side. Even you said so Jack, you told me you hoped they'd intervene.

- Then this. Peace talks with MMC provoking every Molly with their ignorance towards any treaty that could benefit all Mollys. I joined in late, so I didn't really catch all that was being said. But here are some parts.

[27.06.2011 18:32:19] =MMC=Quinn: Laddy i'm a billionaire fer workin wid tha IMG son, what are ye?
[27.06.2011 18:32:22] =MMC=Quinn: Ah ye, New.
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[27.06.2011 18:33:55] =MMC=Quinn: Listen Henderson me lad, if tings dun work out we'll supply gold ore teh Hood
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[27.06.2011 18:36:55] =MMC=Quinn: Aye but thas rules for fools like yer and fools like us.. We profit from IMG as deh IMG profit from us.
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[27.06.2011 18:37:17] [M]-Bloody.Hangover: We demand free access to the Hood, inforce higher taxation on your greedy miners.
[27.06.2011 18:37:50] =MMC=Quinn: Old the boat lad, free access yet ye wont let free access teh tha Arranmore, slighlty one sided contract lad.
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MMC behaved like IMG, especially with a point about 'one sided deal'. IMG was allowed to dock on Arranmore, Mollys weren't allowed to dock on Hood. Wasn't that a bit one sided, Quin? Yet you signed that treaty.
I understand MMC are miners and I understand they benefit from deals with IMG. Problem is, you are making a criminal organisation to a mining guild. I don't want to earn my money by shooting rocks, I want to people to pay me. That's why MMC-IMG treaty is void.


Anyway, I wanted to point out that IMG behaved much more aggressively in this whole situation than even O'Reilys did. It was your faction, Jack, that actually broke the treaty. As for your arrest attempt, what would you do if [M] came in full force to Hood and tried to arrest an IMG Hegemon that stole the gold from our field?

Ignoring the events and leaving an area because you don't want to handle the situation is wrong.
I understand the effort you invested in Dublin, I understand you want as many neutral contracts as possible - for safer mining and exporting, but sometimes you have to deal with situations like this.
Especially because you were one of the lead roles in these events, along with O'Reilys. Quitting now just tells me things went unplanned for you, and so you refuse to deal with the situation. Well guess what, I didn't plan on your 3 gunboats and 2 nyxes shooting me around Arranmore either. I had to dodge like crazy trough the mine field, and yet I didn't throw my hat and said 'This is unfair, I'm gonna move to Sigmas!'.

You have to realize that you, primitive and me were the ones that shaped these events. You were an obvious part, you were even the trigger to all hostilities, since it all started with you threatening us over at Hood for shooting your indie miner. Raging on [M] for picking a side is completely wrong.
I agree there shouldn't be a long term war, but a bit of hostilities have to happen in order to make a new treaty.

I urge everyone to chill a bit. There is nothing wrong going on here. Mollys are a terrorist organisation, they are also criminals, and they maybe have some miners but they are a minority. They don't want to be fooled by a mining guild, they want to show who's the boss. And in Dublin, Mollys are the bosses. Not you Jack.
Please allow Mollys to become what they should become, a criminal organisation that wants to fight Queen's power. This might be a first step towards realizing just how tough they are.
And don't get me wrong, I put that order of events just to show you're equally to blame as me. I enjoyed every one of those, and I thought it was enjoyable for you too.
However, ragequitting like this was not something I expected from a great official faction. Please deal with it in game.
Would you leave the Taus if Kusari announced hostilities to you? I don't think so.

BIG EDIT:

Since I've seen some of Jack's invalid points, I decided to edit my post and put some rumors from IMG bases here.
Rumors are vanilla, so no point in discussing the 'lore' anymore.



Yep. That one is from Hood. You are asking to get clipped.



Look at that! Mollys actually smuggle gold. I guess they can survive without IMG after all. Also Hood.



So much about Mollys. Yeah, it's actually their lore to kill you if you trick them Jack. You are actually lucky you get to bring those supplies which you never bring.



Same story here. Both are from Hood.

And the most important one for the discussion about Hood docking rights



From Cardiff mining facility, IMG base in Cambridge.

I suppose that settles the 'lore' discussion.

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[Jack_Henderson]

Jack, first thing first, Cyril.O'Reily shooting at you and dying to IMG|Zeta was not a reason to put you to hostile. You are the one exaggerating in this case, since hostilities started a lot before. [M] can confirm this.

Full war was triggered by this incident or the talk that accompanied it. But not the IMG words (or not mine, at least).

Second thing, it was your own fault to insist on bringing MMC to those peace talks.

I am not responsible for MMC. If you want to critizise them, do so. It was not clever to have them in the talk, but who could have known that Quinn would say such things! =)

If you want to consult lore on this one, Hood is a completely free zone for everyone who wants to dock on it. It's like a Freeport.

I know. We had it that way until...

... Mollys routinely staged their attacks against BAF from Hood, caused IMG to be shot by BAF and (most importantly) I got sick and tired of getting threats over the forums all the time because Hood was harbouring X or Y or Z.
... Mollys shot the Admiral (which added the last straw).

That's why it is no Freeport. Perfectly ingame reasons. You can read it all in the comms channel because I made every amendment irply.

MMC were claiming they will cooperate with IMG no matter what happens. What's their point being in those peace talks then? They just provoked every single Molly in that situation.

I was surpirsed myself about the utterances. Not much more I can say. It's MMC that you want to talk to, I guess.

- Henderson called O'Reilys to talk with them, which they accepted. He was pissed off because we destroyed an IMG vessel, however, when we have given evidence about that vessel's behavior, Jack washed hands saying he's not responsible for non-core vessels. Why did we talk in the first place than, Jack? Are you responsible for them only when you need it, and when they claim you're sending the Reavers than they become 'indies'. In those talks IMG gunboat opened fire on Cyril.O'Reily because he opened fire on a Bowex.

Nah, don't portray me as inconclusive player. Of course there must be a difference between an action that a faction member does and one that an indie does. There was some communication error in the first incident, the picture I had in mind was different from the evidence. That happens all the time, if you try to assume what happened and you try to react ingamely.

And: We treated your attack on the Bowex as an attack on an indie. We didn't take it serious! If you had attacked anything that we cared about (and that we would not have ordered to move away 10 times), e.g. a Gateway, we would have scrapped you. All of us. Your killing that ship 500 m from Hood had no consequences.

- Soon after, some talks started on O'Reilys - IMG. We threatened each other, and after some harsh words - you Jack decided O'Reilys are hostile from that point on. I want to remind you that we did not destroy a single IMG vessel up to that point, and as I told you personally, we started destroying IMG only some 4 days ago.

We already talked about that. Your RP was convincing, you incorporated the "bad Molly". I like that role, as it was missing in the "tame Mollys". (no, I don't like "bad Mollys" as the mainstream official faction). I did not count your kills on IMG, I just realized the lots of blue messages and assumed you kill IMG, too. As our indies do not write MDs, that was just a normal assumption of what your rp told me to expect. =) And... I am sure you were not surpirsed that we regarded you as hostile.

- Some more forum RP and threatening.

Yeah, one small sentence. I wrote such a lot, it just was not answered/read. It was constructive stuff. But no. Not interesting.

BHG| undocked from Hood, engaged us, suffered, then docked back. This is important because you allow Mercenaries to base attacks on Mollys from Hood, yet you don't allow Mollys to dock on it. So, basically, friends can't dock, but neutrals can. Doesn't make much sense to me.

Doesn't make much sense. Hunters normally should not dock/undock there. They do. As Mollys dock there every day. And BMMers since the rephack is gone. I can't do anything and I started not to care a lot, as I have no means of controlling things.

I can put the hunters into the Revised Hood Protocol... it won't keep anybody from using Hood.

- IMG gunboats chasing me whole god damn day around Dublin (I would like to repeat myself here that we did not destroy a single IMG| vessel up to that point, and only destroyed the IMG indie I already mentioned in the start). IMG were claiming all the time that I am not so tough now as I am against Hegemons. When I asked which Hegemon I destroyed, I got nothing but silence.

That was likely because we had a lot of rp about your chars in IMG and you know how stories evolve. And you know your words made it very believeable that you eat miners for breakfast. Knowing you already killed one, was enough to believe it. And to hunt you.

- I destroyed IMG|Gamma-1, one of your Hegemons that was actually in Arranmore field, even if you claimed you stopped your operations in Arranmore field. So this is an interesting part. I also gave him an option to pay a fine and leave the field, he arrogantly responded he'll fulfill 1/2 of my request, and started cruise engines. Then he died.

Not really fair to use that against IMG fully as the ship was [R]-tagged, that means "recruit". Meaning: has done less than 3 missions for IMG on a shared ship. You hit an indie in the first incident and a Recruit in the second. Meh, bad luck. But the fact you never hit any (full) IMG| should prove we really stopped it. But you couldn't likely know about our new [R]-mission system.

- IMG brought a gunboat fleet to Arranmore field, in order to arrest me. There was some shooting, [M] didn't engage IMG, IMG didn't engage [M], I killed one IMG, Reaver killed one [M], Hone killed some AI's. Fun event, no big deal, except that it was a siege of Arranmore pretty much. I don't mind.
At this point we all insisted [M] should do something about it, and pick a side. Even you said so Jack, you told me you hoped they'd intervene.

*nods* I hoped they would be a moderating force, as in this situation the IMG was acting aggressively. If one side is aggressive in one scene (and you don't want it to escalate), the other needs to use their moderating influence. Thus interesting things can happen without massive damage. It did not. Which was a pity.

- Then this. Peace talks with MMC provoking every Molly with their ignorance towards any treaty that could benefit all Mollys.

Yeah, I was surprised a bit, too. As I wrote above, that is a thing the Molly players should clarify with MMC players.

Anyway, I wanted to point out that IMG behaved much more aggressively in this whole situation than even O'Reilys did. It was your faction, Jack, that actually broke the treaty.

That's not correct, imo. I was completely in the defensive position from the very beginning. And I consequently reacted to new developments (see message dump posts). The tone became harsher (the provocation was started by O'Reilys) and of course there needed to be an answer, so things became agressive - verbally for the most.

The treaty was already useless at that time. I don't know (and it doesn't matter) who broke it.

Ignoring the events and leaving an area because you don't want to handle the situation is wrong.

This here is the OORP mess. We "leave", as we take our active chars to another place.

IRPly (will be posted tomorrow), the mining vessels of the IMG relocate to a safer place.

This is not about ignoring a situation. It's about getting the soft and easy targets out of the way.

Why did I write "We leave"? Because if you only let fighting ships there, and there is no "pirate food", no pirates log, no fighters need to log, no one loggs. It's an empty system. That's why I said "we leave", because this is what - from an oorp point of view - happens if you relocate your active everyday ships to another place.

I understand you want as many neutral contracts as possible - for safer mining and exporting, but sometimes you have to deal with situations like this.

Not exactly correct. Having neutrals only can be nice, it can be terribly tiring, too. A bit of danger is nice, but whole hostile factions (that should never be hostile according to lore) are not. I am not in Dublin for keeping everyone neutral to keep my ore running without any disturbance. Mining is not that much fun... not if you have all the money you ever need.

It's the thrill and the challenge of "can I keep them neutral", and "what needs to be done to manage that".

And sure: I need to deal with these situations.

But just realise that withdrawing the mining vessels, taking Jack with the mining operations to Cardiff and leaving Hood behind, guarded by a Defence Wing and the Zephyr is not "ignoring". It's withdrawing. But not ignoring.

Especially because you were one of the lead roles in these events, along with O'Reilys. Quitting now just tells me things went unplanned for you, and so you refuse to deal with the situation.

I refuse to deal with something that is completely outside of how I see Dublin politics and IMG-Molly relations. We will not wage war against the main Molly faction (which is as close as you can get atm to "the Molly in general"). It's stupid, it's not IMG roleplay, it's not Molly roleplay (in my subjective view). The IMG Directors agreed on it: We won't take part in a war that is oorp as it makes no sense for us to participate as it would have never happened like that if there had not been mistakes (in my opinion [M] acting much too radical and following the O'Reilys into completely unnecessary and uncalled for violence, and then even a war).

Well guess what, I didn't plan on your 3 gunboats and 2 nyxes shooting me around Arranmore either. I had to dodge like crazy trough the mine field, and yet I didn't throw my hat and said 'This is unfair, I'm gonna move to Sigmas!'.

No *grins* You said: "I will report you to get your rep fixed", quite agressively/angrily/wound up at the beginning, I can still recall... *winks* That's not so much better. =)

I agree there shouldn't be a long term war, but a bit of hostilities have to happen in order to make a new treaty.

There will be no war with significant IMG in it. Give me a reason why we should fight all Mollys (because that is what [M] is). It's suicide to do that. We cannot win anything. So we withdraw.

And IMG| members wanted to keep their fighters in Dublin and fight Mollys... but we don't want to give Mollys targets and reasons to shoot IMG. We want things to cool down. So we are actively avoiding any confrontation, which is the thing that imo a Miners Guild would do when confronted with a terrorist faction that all of a sudden forgot where they come from, that they used to be friends, that they have been coexisting for decades, that they have solved much more difficult problems in the past without even making a fuss... now these new guys are all crazy. So we leave with what can be hit easily and do not provoke more damage with the fighting stuff.

So... a new treaty will not happen only after some war of [M] against IMG|. The fact that [M] declared war made it impossible for IMG to have these "small scale hostilities" (as in a war we need to evade, as we are no fighting faction)

There is nothing wrong going on here.

There ism imo. If you ignore the generally non-hostile stance of IMG-Molly and what happened during the last months of ingame interaction, you are making mistakes. Roleplay needs a foundation that is agreed on (at least vaguely) by all participants. Dropping the IMG-Molly non-hostile relations as [M] Mollys did, is in my opionion a mistake. It's no prob to be the "pickaxe in your head" Molly in space. But the faction should not declare war like this imo.

And in Dublin, Mollys are the bosses. Not you Jack.

I never claimed Jack is. But do ot expect that IMG| just cedes all power that it doubtlessly had during the Mollys were weaker to an irply extremely new upcoming group of Mollys. Of course Jack and IMG had to try to oppose their claims. (btw it's part of each claim that the other side doesn't accept and thus create interaction).

Please allow Mollys to become what they should become, a criminal organisation that wants to fight Queen's power. This might be a first step towards realizing just how tough they are.

I know Mollys are tough. And I like Mollys that have teeth. But I also want and need Mollys to realize that they are not almighty. That they are isolated. That they need friends, especially in Dublin. That they can't support parts of their economy without help. They are a small group, fighting a house, cut off from every market.

Ignoring the IMG (as [M] cleaimed in a post above) and claiming to have moved on from the lore so that no ties between IMG and MOllys are necessary is not acceptable to me. It's a much more radical change than e.g. having no Molly ore runners (as they can't dock at the selling point) or not having Hood as a complete Freeport after some political problems.

I can accept Molly's strength.
But Mollys also have to accept their weaknesses.

And by a mix of strengths and weaknesses, cooperation starts. Interaction starts. Cool roleplay is created.

Not by claiming that one is superior, doesn't need the other one and showing a striking lack of knowledge (e.g. "you are foreigners, you do not belong here") at the same time.

And don't get me wrong, I put that order of events just to show you're equally to blame as me. I enjoyed every one of those, and I thought it was enjoyable for you too.

As I said, I like the role O'Reilys play, and I enjoyed the scenes =) . I don't like how [M] reacted... the complete Molly faction, THE Molly can't be willing to throw away all the good things that happened between IMG and Molly. That won't happen in reality. Never for the reasons that came up ingame.

O'Reilys can ignore the ties, they are 2 guys without relevant influence on a larger scale. A faction that wants to become official cannot ignore the regular relations, historical connections, past roleplay. Just my view, though.

However, ragequitting like this was not something I expected from a great official faction. Please deal with it in game.

I will call you when I ragequit and give you a log. =) This is not a ragequit.

Would you leave the Taus if Kusari announced hostilities to you? I don't think so.

The miners would leave. That's what happened inrply up to now.


And now I go to bed. =)

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[Primitive]

Jack, the reason why it all started is next.

We went to tax some indie IMG, which refused and died. You came calling us on system comms to "remind us" of treaty beetwen Mollys and IMG. At that point we explained we don't care and that we're not MMC. And also that he threatened to send Reavers on us. Of course you completely ignored that fact and you told us reavers don't work for you. - later on we scanned Silver with your guns strapped on her ship, only 2 days after we made our transmission to you. Sorry, but since Reavers weren't so eager to hunt us before that, but suddenly jumping by our necks (in which fights I enjoyed, especially with Silver) at every opportunity they can. It makes anyone who hasn't been lobotomized to figure out who we angered and who wants us dead lately. We never proved complete truth, but we planted the idea. (Also her showing up on Ryan's arrest scene suddenly with IMG isn't really a good sign).

About transmission, that day at the Hood in space after we explained (in very hostile manner, yes we're pissed of mollys) that we want you to cover us production of two bombers such as in 60 million credits. Then of course we started angry talk again, such as you calling us drunk and crazy and we demanding those credits or we will start attacking IMG (of course I won't kill him if he pays, I need to make a demand, but yes I'll try to hunt IMG to show that I want our 60 millions).

After more talking and refusal,and you talking about IMG-Molly history and how we depend on you like you're our last hope in this galaxy we started talking about brets and hunter ships using hood as well as mercs. And if you want to show your support you should remove them and stop letting bretonians using your base.

In the following it was mostly about us demanding brets out of hood and our 60 millions. - I can provide you logs of all this, but I'm sure you have them Jack.

So you decided to make transmission to other mollys to show us to them hoping they'll say...ok we don't care what you do to them.
By that time we already were flying with [M] giving them a hand in fights and such, and other way around. Which I as tagged or untagged player appreciate when my own factions helps me out and I can do same to them.

So MMC made a thread about making a new treaty. - http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?...pic=102222 . We responded right after [M] did, and we actually posted one of our ideas for revised treaty.

So in the same time we sent you transmission, to show you we were not kidding and so we can actually get something from the old deal you had. http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?...pic=102238 60 millions for mining faction for 12 day of complete immunity on piracy along with a joke that can be made in paint about putting free dublin on hood and making a poster insulted you as an offer ? Want a lore ? You are scared of Mollys, you have much more to loose. We offered you to show us some respect as we did at the Hood, and you decided we're ignorant fools.(Just a note, I know this is all inRP so don't worry, I'm just stating as it is inRP). So we decided its not worth to make treaty with you, and we declined making it and later we posted reavers with your guns and continue talking against you to other mollys. Once again, by the lore Mollys could pirate IMG, but that would far less then BMM (from which we often ask whole cargo), and IMG would supply them + letting them stay on Hood, that was keeping the normal ties.

Also, I enjoyed every moment of interaction with everyone involved, and you and me throw a pm or two just to establish means of communication, I only told you I don't do things oorp, and I continued my RP as molly who wanted his share from everything that IMG gets with their treaty. You showed ignorance talking like some sort of "big fleet boss" and like we'll all die if IMG doesn't like us. Instead situations is quite different, you should be afraid of us,your miners should be happy they can be taxed not completly robbed or destroyed.

When I made my molly character I read all the lore from every base, and all the rumors which can be find ingame said by Molly NPC's in bars. You got used to MMC as molly miner faction, and they were more like merchants to you and nothing else. So when two angry mollys wanting to pirate people came and found that IMG is mining all around they wanted their share. As you got used with MMC that everything goes smoothly, we weren't like that. We are one of those criminals who don't make compromises (even if 60 mills for 12 days along with a joke made in paint/PS really isn't some angry demand, as you can see when we sent you transmission we totally cut out making bretonians to not use Hood because we know that would be impossible). So we presented you an offer to act, you were dealing with extremist not with another pack of miners, you decided not to. So we decided to continue doing our aggression.

That is my point of view with O'Reily character, and I enjoyed everything that happened around.

For [M] they decided treaty is bad...and honestly its really really bad for any molly with standards and person roleplaying a molly. They didn't show any hostilities to you, except usual angry molly on comms thing and such. So you decided to bring whole fleet to Arranmore and show that you can arrest a Molly in front of his home and his people ? We kill Bretonians for such things, of course I'll for example shoot you if you try to imprison my brother.

[M]still ignored that fact, and you had some transmission with them about taxing your miner 3.6millions and such...where your attitude( I'm sorry Jack, but your role is to play diplomat, not guy who can afford saying "No" to mollys) obviously got them angry and they decided to show some teeth as well.

Now, I believe this created some fun Roleplay and some fun events in Dublin. If you want to just say, ok I give up because they can't be reasoned with then you didn't do much to insure molly-IMG relationship. Mollys decided you are hostile, hell sacrifice a bit, make them happy, send them transports, make better deals.

That's my point of view, and way I roleplayed my part in all of this. We're not diplomats, we're freedom fighters, we insure we got our things with threats and guns, that's our part.

[SnakThree]

What a piece of crap is going on? Gladly I am not part of this, but I can honestly tell you that you should stop discussing it ooRP and do it right, as it was supposed to be done, inRP.

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[Jack_Henderson]

You got used to MMC as molly miner faction, and they were more like merchants to you and nothing else. So when two angry mollys wanting to pirate people came and found that IMG is mining all around they wanted their share. As you got used with MMC that everything goes smoothly, we weren't like that.

I guess that is my main problem. Not only with O'Reilys but also with the [M] Mollys. The contrast between the last generation of Molly and you guys is immense! Sure I know that Mollys are wilde criminals... but during all the time I have been actvely playing, they never have been so. So all the rumors and infotexts do not transfer the picture if the ingame reality looks (favourably) different from it.

I agree on most other things you wrote. Thank you for the feedback and the description of events from your point of view.

I can only say: I tried to treat the O'Reilys with authority and from a position of strength because I thought Mollys would never side with them against IMG. Mistake in assessment *points to the quote above*




I'll wait for [M] to reply.

Perhaps something can be worked out that is a basis for a return to irp.

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[Hone]

What a piece of crap is going on? Gladly I am not part of this, but I can honestly tell you that you should stop discussing it ooRP and do it right, as it was supposed to be done, inRP.

I agree.

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[Govedo13]

What [M] Will do?
Simple- we will follow the lore and will do what the mollys should do. Hone, I am really sad that we need to lead this kind of discussion here instead of role-playing but as it seems the IMG side prefers it that way- Post #173 of this topic for reference.
I also would be happy if the other side do so too. Till now from IMG side I receive only whining and empty treats:

"We will leave Dublin"- ok leave then, address this to affect the mod,removing the ownership of Hood- make it freelancer base like barrier and like it should be- freeport.

"In-RP Mollys will die without IMG exporting gold"- How much gold shall Mollys mine and export "In-game" to prove you wrong? How many different parties we should contact to do this for us 3 -4 ?

If someone tries to trick the Molly they will get clipped.This is the vanilla molly RP and we will stick with it. It is not [M] Problem that many other groups of Mollys acted differently and like the normal Mollys should act. [color=#FF0000]Deal with it.Or come with proposal in-RP that could work for the Molly side.

Yep. That one is from Hood. You are asking to get clipped.

Look at that! Mollys actually smuggle gold. I guess they can survive without IMG after all. Also Hood.

So much about Mollys. Yeah, it's actually their lore to kill you if you trick them Jack. You are actually lucky you get to bring those supplies which you never bring.

Same story here. Both are from Hood.
And the most important one for the discussion about Hood docking rights

From Cardiff mining facility, IMG base in Cambridge.

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Official faction players that are often accused of elitism, never deploy them and have those weird, immersion killing "fair fight/dueling" suicidal hobbies. (yes, i've seen enough of those lolduels, where house military with overwhelming force on the field willingly loses a pilot in a duel. ffs.)