The Mollys - Official Faction Request

[FallenKnight]

Avalanche, you did great job to return mollies back on the image.What you writed here, as presentation for your faction, is nice and sounds good. There are just some minor problems which can evolve in to big problems and turn [M] to dead faction. If you are going official, which I really want since mollies are only unknown indies, FIX the problems in your faction:

1. Basic information from before: The early factions known as =M= and MS (separatists) did a very good kind of RP. The M were normal mollies with good RP, collecting taxes and fighting Kusarians, Corsairs, indie Pirates and Mercs that come in Dublin, your realm. Molly Separatists didnt liked the ways of the normal mollies and their hostility against Bretonia, so they turned semi-neutral to both molly and bretonia armed forces.
~ The point is that they had a very interesting ways of RP.

2. Basic information now: The mollies from [M] now are nothing, from my experience so far against them, but ... pvp guys with less RP options. I dont know how you hire them but I have become witness of many frustrated situations that really makes mollies from [M] no different that any other pirates in Sirius. Always looking for fighting only, never fighting if forcing an equal numbers (that happened twice in my presence) and even ganking (cant count the numbers but I was lone bomber with 1 anti cap bs 1 indie templar against 5 + caps from SCRA|, [M] and several other fighters).
~Fighting all and primary bretonians is not the direct molly way but keeping Dublin safe from your known enemies and then fight bretonians is .

-2.1: Reputation: Your [M] reputation is really messed and totaly unknown. I wont give examples of certain situations or judge your ways to decide your enemies but it is well known that so far [M]'s were fighting on the side of eternal enemies to bretonia ( and to mollies in RP):
- Reavers (sometimes, its ok they are mercenaries working for you)
- RM/ BDM/ any other rheinland faction ( that is distrbing, supporting invaders is no different than supporting knf)
- KNF ( you were fighting on their side some times which is more shocking, or targeting bretonian pilots primary, without to follow your RP and kill the sushi guys first and then to kill the bretonians)
- Corsairs ( yup, we know you did that too, fighting on their side or fighting primary bretonians when corsairs (your eternal and primary enemies after bretonians) are next to you)

So your reputation is shocking and not fixed yet. Mollies and BAF were always fighting Kusarians together no matter their in-RP differences. Mollies and BAF were fighting all of the mentioned above enemies together ( except RM... since it's enemy). Fighting on RM side (invaders to bretonia) is equal to fighting on KNF side (invaders to bretonia) which dont fits for your faction RP.
Again I repeat, do what you want but if you see yourselves from different point of view, you will get immediately what I mean.
~The reputation changes the faction and making it different. An official faction must follow its original reputation and work to keep it.

-2.2: Tech permissions: Every faction is clear to do RP requests and receive permissions for different faction ships and weapons. Sharing weapons from other faction is one thing, but changing ships is another. No matter if you get 1 Odin or 1 Sabre if you want, it is very strange from others point of view.
-Bretonia have known enemies and they are using known ships met to fight inside bretonia space.
-Rheinland and Kusari have other ships created and balanced for their inside space borders. Messing so much other faction's ships in order to achieave superiority on the field is interesting indeed and yet...not a move for an official faction. I am giving you direct example: Imagine if with proper RP, BAF received 10 Katanas to fight KNF and ofc you all. Half of the members said "If that happens, we will quit" because an official faction is met to use official faction ships only.
-Liberty is in alliance with Bretonia, the only two homes with such a thing. How many times you have seen BAF guardians or liberators? Never, cuz even with such high level of diplomatic relationships, officials are met to be officials and stays on their own ship line.
~The ship changes the faction. Using anything different than your ship line is making you a copy-cat faction to another faction. There is no difference for us to fight [M]Odins or [RHA]Odins.Its all the same ship and probably, OOC the are same pilots.

3. Recruiting: Below your sigi, you have a very interesting motivation words for ppl interested to join your faction. But if you are starting to motivate them with "Come, we can give you different than molly ships", soon or later you will have enough pilots in your faction, interested only of the ship, cuz it will be the only reason for them to join. These people will be active only for the PVP and not for RP, which is the key of being official.
~I am giving a direct example: Think of the best ship, from your oppinion, in Sirius. Make it possible for use from BAF pilots. Yea .. it wont be hard to imagine 10+ people online with it isnt it? Every faction have its pluses and minuses. Bretonia may not give a good ships for pvp but it gives excellent opportunity for RP wise

Dont take this as rude act. I just pointed several problems which I collected since your faction creation until today, and said them all at once.

P.S: Write slowly Snac3 we dont need a burst of spam:P
P.S: Hone, say a word to bring us a smile:)

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Discovery Bridges[Feedback] Baron Piett[Biography]

[SnakThree]

even ganking (cant count the numbers but I was lone bomber with 1 anti cap bs 1 indie templar against 5 + caps from SCRA|, [M] and several other fighters).

3:1 is not a gank

come back when it's

18:1

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P.S: Write slowly Snac3 we dont need a burst of spam:P
P.S: Hone, say a word to bring us a smile:)

I saw that. Don;t misspell my nickname. I am dead serious about this for you.
Also. Forum by trial. Oh. Well. Not nice.

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[Govedo13]

:lol::lol::lol::lol:
Sorry I cannot answer better.
"U nubz u PvP" I wantz you stay and type- this RP you PvP thatz not fine post"

2. Basic information now: The mollies from [M] now are nothing, from my experience so far against them, but ... pvp guys with less RP options.

The good thing about faction diplomacy is that is made by the faction. I does not need to be teached how to play Molly. All other Molly factions died because of their Nice RP and we are 10th on the activity tracker. We took advantage in any situation and stir in different fights where 2 or even more enemies of the Mollies are present, Corsair/KNF or BAF it makes no difference for M- both are our enemies we shot down the one who goes down fast and first. Attacking both enemy parties engaged in fight is good tactic and it works quite well, but it is not up to you anyway.
I personally really find it sad when such kind of feeedback is thrown here. We are bad because we like to pvp? Pvp is part of the RP , we RP with guns, hell we RP Mollys- terrorist organisation- it is quite normal for us to use guns.
Or we are bad because of we does not have normal VHF and use some options(Ye it may be funny to shoot Werewolfs in group fights since they are created to give blue msgs??? ), hell we got only 4 VHFs it is not like armada go in the tech chart channel, BAF got some Liberty ships approved, guns as well.
Shall I scramble the whole M faction in your feedback now or it makes you all bad role players since you have liberty ships???
As I said a bit up 25-30 people can write a ton of "feedback".

Or we are bad because we have our own not given by some guy in the forum diplomatic relations?
Come on....
Get real at least for a while you are embarrassing yourself with such kind of posts.We will keep being nothing I guess...:lol:Thank you for the nice signature Idea. Very well said indeed and very sad at the same time.

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Official faction players that are often accused of elitism, never deploy them and have those weird, immersion killing "fair fight/dueling" suicidal hobbies. (yes, i've seen enough of those lolduels, where house military with overwhelming force on the field willingly loses a pilot in a duel. ffs.)

[SnakThree]

It's funny how the war between BAF and Mollys is conducted here.

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[Avalanche]

Hey lanche, can i have the fourth Odin? :laugh:

You aren't in the [M]ollys.

1. Basic information from before: The early factions known as =M= and MS (separatists) did a very good kind of RP. The M were normal mollies with good RP, collecting taxes and fighting Kusarians, Corsairs, indie Pirates and Mercs that come in Dublin, your realm. Molly Separatists didnt liked the ways of the normal mollies and their hostility against Bretonia, so they turned semi-neutral to both molly and bretonia armed forces.
~ The point is that they had a very interesting ways of RP.

2. Basic information now: The mollies from [M] now are nothing, from my experience so far against them, but ... pvp guys with less RP options. I dont know how you hire them but I have become witness of many frustrated situations that really makes mollies from [M] no different that any other pirates in Sirius. Always looking for fighting only, never fighting if forcing an equal numbers (that happened twice in my presence) and even ganking (cant count the numbers but I was lone bomber with 1 anti cap bs 1 indie templar against 5 + caps from SCRA|, [M] and several other fighters).
~Fighting all and primary bretonians is not the direct molly way but keeping Dublin safe from your known enemies and then fight bretonians is .

I appreciate your level tone, easier to talk with. I know the groups before sort of had a single route of what their members would be like and how the members would act. However since my attitude of the Mollys are a rugged band of persons with the same ideals and goals. I allow free expression from people in the [M]ollys to do as they please. What I mean by this is some faction members can fight on the other house's side, however if their side loses, they will expect some immediate consequences like being destroyed and taken back to base beaten up and threatened in a escape pod. I won't have two sides in the [M]ollys or a 'Civil War' but I do allow free choice and expression from all members. We aren't an organized military.

However, members do tend to stick together since its a team effort, I will not allow any off-game OOC grudges to occur due to the different RP attitudes that members show in-game. We're all here to play a game, we should be able to play with friends and still play it as we want. If the boss (Myself) choses a major faction direction say for example, allying with the RHA, and a member goes "Nah, my character doesn't like Rheinlanders, he's going to shoot them" Then I'll arrange some brutal INRP consequences, but I will still treat that person on skype as a friend.

-2.1: Reputation: Your [M] reputation is really messed and totaly unknown. I wont give examples of certain situations or judge your ways to decide your enemies but it is well known that so far [M]'s were fighting on the side of eternal enemies to bretonia ( and to mollies in RP):
- Reavers (sometimes, its ok they are mercenaries working for you)
- RM/ BDM/ any other rheinland faction ( that is distrbing, supporting invaders is no different than supporting knf)
- KNF ( you were fighting on their side some times which is more shocking, or targeting bretonian pilots primary, without to follow your RP and kill the sushi guys first and then to kill the bretonians)
- Corsairs ( yup, we know you did that too, fighting on their side or fighting primary bretonians when corsairs (your eternal and primary enemies after bretonians) are next to you)

So your reputation is shocking and not fixed yet. Mollies and BAF were always fighting Kusarians together no matter their in-RP differences. Mollies and BAF were fighting all of the mentioned above enemies together ( except RM... since it's enemy). Fighting on RM side (invaders to bretonia) is equal to fighting on KNF side (invaders to bretonia) which dont fits for your faction RP.
Again I repeat, do what you want but if you see yourselves from different point of view, you will get immediately what I mean.
~The reputation changes the faction and making it different. An official faction must follow its original reputation and work to keep it.

Like I said before, players vary, its hard to keep track off but we are a band of scaly-wags wanting the same outcome, how we personally get to that outcome is up to the individual. We will keep the basic reputation of "BAF = Bad, BMM = Bad, Corsairs = Bad" etc but with slight variations on different scenarios, and what makes that so awesome in-game is, we're so unpredictable. Some relations like siding with KNF/RM can be explained by that we want the BAF to be gone out of Dublin, if their is a fight were the BAF will clearly win vs a Kusari invasion fleet, we'll try and weaken the BAF by fighting them, but if the Kusari invasion fleet is strong enough to stomp the BAF, we will defend with the BAF to stop a foreign enemy. In some ways it always gives us something to shoot but its tactical to have the best outcome for Dublin.

You'll never see us in the same chat as the KNF/RM/BAF, but we'll be there shooting the same people as them and after they are dead, we may finish off the KNF/RM/BAF or leave if the chances of further victory are slim. We want a waker BAF, but we don't want a foreign rule... thats the general agreement but some characters may disagree.

-2.2: Tech permissions: Every faction is clear to do RP requests and receive permissions for different faction ships and weapons. Sharing weapons from other faction is one thing, but changing ships is another. No matter if you get 1 Odin or 1 Sabre if you want, it is very strange from others point of view.
-Bretonia have known enemies and they are using known ships met to fight inside bretonia space.
-Rheinland and Kusari have other ships created and balanced for their inside space borders. Messing so much other faction's ships in order to achieave superiority on the field is interesting indeed and yet...not a move for an official faction. I am giving you direct example: Imagine if with proper RP, BAF received 10 Katanas to fight KNF and ofc you all. Half of the members said "If that happens, we will quit" because an official faction is met to use official faction ships only.
-Liberty is in alliance with Bretonia, the only two homes with such a thing. How many times you have seen BAF guardians or liberators? Never, cuz even with such high level of diplomatic relationships, officials are met to be officials and stays on their own ship line.
~The ship changes the faction. Using anything different than your ship line is making you a copy-cat faction to another faction. There is no difference for us to fight [M]Odins or [RHA]Odins.Its all the same ship and probably, OOC the are same pilots.

I've answered this a page or so back. Refer to it. :)

[Mychalitzo]

I agree with what Fallen said, especially with the point about diplomacy. Back before the Mollies came to Leeds and fought against Kusarians. It fitted the official Molly RP and OORP it helped to build respect between BAF and Mollies, something we need now a lot and that applies to both sides.
As for the Odins, you said you have 3 of them so far combat ready, out of 30 ships total. Funny thing is that when there is a fight, at least two Odins are almost always there, making you considerably tougher. From my point of view, thats why this flames actually started, but whats important is that in the ensuing ranting a few good points were made. Here is what I think the best option would be: You think about what Fallen said, every point he made was good. And as for the Odins, first, the talks like "thats secret no u" are nonsense. Second, I have no problem with you using it, except that greenish engine fumes are annoying me (read: It doesnt feel like I am in Bretonia fighting Mollies) and I want them see spacescrapped (read: That makes me feel a bit upset)... Tally ho! *plays battle music*

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BAF|Capt.Michael.Clay

[Avalanche]

We're using Odins. It won't be changing. We use Odins + Core for our direct combat and Molly Core for everything else.

[FallenKnight]

You'll never see us in the same chat as the KNF/RM/BAF, but we'll be there shooting the same people as them and after they are dead, we may finish off the KNF/RM/BAF or leave if the chances of further victory are slim. We want a waker BAF, but we don't want a foreign rule... thats the general agreement but some characters may disagree.

Well thank you for the good answers. I see what are your intentions. To make the new Mollys acts as unpredictable is interesting. But you are contradicting with some of your words:

-First you say: "we may finish off..." "or leave if the chances..." which shows that if the people are overpowering us with multiple ships, you will join forces with them in order to quickly neutralize us.
~That is understandable, but mollies dont have the power to face neither KNF or RM, about corsairs I bet your pilots will be enough against the "standart" assaulting corsair fleet.

-Then you say "we dont' want a foreign rule" which is clear again. But your forces in both RP and OOC dont have the resources to counter future foreign conquer fleet (read for example GRN assault fleet in RP numbers: 150 battleships 2500 cruisers etc...)
How can you pretend to not let foreign rule to happen, when you are helping the primary and only enemy that can conquer Bretonia? If Bretonia fall...If all sectors are taken, all planets, all battleships and stations destroyed, do you think few rock bases as Arranmore will stop KNF/ GRN or RM Fleets??
That is why we were so much shocked of the fact foreigners (corsairs, knf and rm) were attacking us and yet mollies helped them. In RP you are dooming yourselves cuz :

or leave if the chances of further victory are slim.

~Chances will be always slim for [M] if facing the mentioned fleets (in RP).

P.S: Imagine the opposite image, KNF and BAF fighting mollies, or Corsairs and BAf fighting mollies. I guess you get my point, such encounters will create messing situations of "free for all" which will break the reason for allies and "Unfriendly" reputation factions which are not directly considered as "Hostile" (example: mollies)

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Discovery Bridges[Feedback] Baron Piett[Biography]

[Jam]

Imagine a fight between BAF and Corsairs. You decide to storm in. It would be really better for you to attack the Corsairs. Remember, the Corsairs have much more resources than you, including whole fleet of Battleships. Not much the Mollys could face alone. (Yes you have allies, but those have enemies aswell, and won't be able to help you). You would lose your home. How would you fight for Dublin then? It is only a conspiracy though, but it is not a total fiction.

True, the Bretonia also has more resources than Mollys, still, it is weakened by the war with Kusari and Rheinland, so BAF isn't that huge threat than Corsairs are.

Shall I scramble the whole M faction in your feedback now or it makes you all bad role players since you have liberty ships???

Those ships were actually returned back as far as I know.

I agree with Fallen on the Diplomacy part. You guys shouldn't ally with Rheinlanders if you are hostile to KNF. They are both invaders. Do you think they will leave whole Dublin full of gold just for you? I don't think so. Everyone in Sirius is in need of new resources, so I am perfectly sure they would want Dublin for themselves.

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Admiral John Clay - Retired and dead *sadface*

[Eichann Rush]

You aren't in the [M]ollys.

It's Bindo's RP Alt Account (bandit)

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