' Wrote:I wasnt arguing for or against anything. just think the rule needs better clarification as i dont fully understand what and when constitutes an RP demand if they can just say halt and then shoot. im not saying all pirates will do that, but some most certainly will. That being said , ive been playing for over 5 months and still dont know how to use preset messages. i tried once, got lost, then forgot about it
They are clear. If you fail to stop when they ask you to they can kill you. That is because you tried to run away. If you stop, they cannot kill you until they either demand credits, cargo, or a role play demand.
Role play demands would be ordering you to leave the system. Give them your watch. Etc etc. Halt or an order to stop still are not demands, but if you try to run away they are now free to kill you.
I hope that is clear enough. I don't think I can explain it differently. If not say so and I'll track someone down who might be able to do so.
' Wrote:Sorry? Battleships never could be used for that purpose, they never had a CD.
Battlecruisers are same as cruisers with increased damage but reduced "effective armor". Glass cannons, that have it's own specifics in a fight.
So what do battleships do when a visiting warship needs to be stopped?
' Wrote:Just one of many examples. Like, with this, to take out hostile battleship or cruiser in your own home system, you automatically require a teammate. Because gunboat won't solo a cruiser or battleship, fighter wont solo a cruiser or battleship, and bomber won't solo a cruiser or battleships.
In team fights, cruisers are picked for their ability to deal and endure damage (through tanking or evading) and to CD. Remove CDs from it, and battleships suddenly become way, way more useful - because they're often better at both dealing and enduring damage.
Without a CD cruiser's role in a fleet becomes way, WAAAAY less important. To the point where single gunboat or bomber would be more useful.
I'm sorry, but I've been in countless fleet fights and the cruisers are not the ones tossing out CDs unless the snubs are dry or don't have them.
The bold part is the entire point. To force team work.
So cruisers do the same. I don't see an issue with that.
The only ships a cruiser is going to be able to stop and manage to fight against is another cruiser class ship and below. CD'n a battleship isn't going to do much for a cruiser.
' Wrote:Well, for one, they have to say more than "halt," and they can't shoot if you stop moving at that point, so yeah--if you get shot after just a demand to stop, it's your own fault for not stopping.
Seems to not be getting me. i am speaking in terms of pie-rats ok. those pirates who either pretend or rly cant use english well. that insist that if u dont stop within 3 seconds of a crappy halt(when i say halt, i mean any unsatisfactory demand) demand, think they are in their rights to just shoot you. im talking about the luls, not real, actually know what they're doing, pirates( of which as a trader i still dont mind the cruiser thing)
Cruiser can take a bs on. Use the speed advantage + TS and kite the BS. Plus most of these "lone wolves" lurking about in other people's home systems have a habit of not being the best BS pilots out there.
EDIT: Knjaz (who I believe have stated that he is a capwhore) has made a good outline above. A cruiser without CD is redundant.
' Wrote:I'm sorry, but I've been in countless fleet fights and the cruisers are not the ones tossing out CDs unless the snubs are dry or don't have them.
You've been in the wrong fights, then. In more then 50% of my (cap)fleet-fights cruisers were the workhorses, fighters were having lulz with each other in. *cough* fair duels *cough*, and bombers... were fighting the war of attrition before heavy hitters move in.
As for what battleship can do alone - they can call for friends, die, log off or wander around. Battleships are purely teamwork-oriented ships.
You will really kill the good chunk of cruiser's purpose, if you remove a CD from it.
And all of that because of something like cruisers being introduced into Transports Vs Other Ships environment?
Nothx, better forbid cruisers to shoot transports, than remove CD from them.
' Wrote:Cruiser can take a bs on. Use the speed advantage + TS and kite the BS. Plus most of these "lone wolves" lurking about in other people's home systems have a habit of not being the best BS pilots out there.
EDIT: Knjaz (who I believe have stated that he is a capwhore) has made a good outline above. A cruiser without CD is redundant.
Kiting the battleship means it is trying to kill you, not running away. Thus, there is no need for a CD as you aren't chasing and trying to stop him now are you?
' Wrote:cruiser needs CD for anit-missile support
make a class-7 flak and I'll give up my cruiser CD, not until then
Am i the only trader not complaining about letting pirates use cruiser. Quite honestly my LABC might have a job now. Thank god it took me weeks to get that thing,contrary to popular belief not all traders are billionaires. ive never had 1b at one time....ever
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