' Wrote:Gentlemen, your problem are other players, not some abstract "raids" or something. In other words, go and try to put some sense in the heads of them; it would be something new and refreshing. Do it again and again, again and again, again and again. Just keep in mind that complimenting the same people for helping you and blaming for fighting you with totally the same tactics is not educative.
Ah, and Isis fails to save its ducklings, to be honest.
Players are behind raids, Players make up raids, we, as in all within the corsair and outcast faction have tried that "treehugger" method already.... We even have a faction designated for that purpose, its called RoS, and guess what.
For the past 4 years, THAT METHOD HAS FAILED....
Now, Sad, do me a favour, go buy a OC dread, fly to Gamma and play saint... lets see how long it takes before you'll be ganked.... Then take your "forum" attitude somewhere else. You as anyone else on this server knows damn well that HIPPIES DONT WIN in disco...... Zoners have tried being neutral, look where its getting them...
They lost FP9, their almost loosing FP10..
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS FAIR PLAY, NEUTRALITY, AGREEMENTS OR UNDERSTANDINGS BETWEEN OUTCAST AND CORSAIRS. EITHER WE SHOOT, OR WE DONT. NOONE IN OC/CO LISTENS TO REASON ONCE A RAID HAS BEEN LAUNCHED, BE IT FROM THEIR OWN OR ENEMY FACTIONS, OFFICIAL OR NOT.
If i, on my sail, say; Dont raid Alpha today, they just wait till i log out and raid either way....
If i (in the past) went on my 101st char to tell them to be fair and bring equal forces, i just get flamed for Q_Q even if i werent part of the battle...
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As you said revange, it will induce new issues. as any measure will...
But as i said, these turrets will simply be fore anti cap purpose... like with the ISIS, you can easyli fly around it with a Gunboat, try it with a cruiser and you'll be instaraped....
Reason i suggested cruiser missiles was:
5.5k range (more then BS missiles)
i suggested this to be added in 4.86.1, missiles are supposed to do shield damage in 4.86.0
which means, ANYONE trying to use the camping method they use with ISIS today, will be futile,you'll just be spammed down by cruiser missiles... NO BS can withstand endless pummeling from missiled firing far outside their own range...
BUT, any fighter, bomber or gunboat will have a fair chance to dodge these WP's.... Why would you try use caps, when the only enemy you'll meet will most likely be anti cap???
You dont send out a cap if you expect 6 Inferno sabres....
' Wrote:Players are behind raids, Players make up raids, we, as in all within the corsair and outcast faction have tried that "treehugger" method already.... We even have a faction designated for that purpose, its called RoS, and guess what.
For the past 4 years, THAT METHOD HAS FAILED....
Now, Sad, do me a favour, go buy a OC dread, fly to Gamma and play saint... lets see how long it takes before you'll be ganked.... Then take your "forum" attitude somewhere else. You as anyone else on this server knows damn well that HIPPIES DONT WIN in disco...... Zoners have tried being neutral, look where its getting them...
They lost FP9, their almost loosing FP10..
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS FAIR PLAY, NEUTRALITY, AGREEMENTS OR UNDERSTANDINGS BETWEEN OUTCAST AND CORSAIRS. EITHER WE SHOOT, OR WE DONT. NOONE IN OC/CO LISTENS TO REASON ONCE A RAID HAS BEEN LAUNCHED, BE IT FROM THEIR OWN OR ENEMY FACTIONS, OFFICIAL OR NOT.
If i, on my sail, say; Dont raid Alpha today, they just wait till i log out and raid either way....
If i (in the past) went on my 101st char to tell them to be fair and bring equal forces, i just get flamed for Q_Q even if i werent part of the battle...
This is why my friend I gave up massive raiding a long time ago, now I just jump to Gamma with 3 fighter kill the snubs and gtfo telling the Legates to stick their "Lol u run" messages you know where. Saves braincells. The situation is unfixable. Impose rules lolzers will brake them and still annoy you. You just have to work your way around it
Eta doesn't make sense IRP for me, so I don't really find this addition neccesary. Those platforms could be fun, but they'd not stop people from coming into home systems, as all sair/oc caps usually spend their time missionwhoring in their home systems.:)
' Wrote:Stop being that passive-aggressive, then we can talk.
stop attempting to troll/play pacifist when anybody affected by this knows that your methods dont work.
Like i said, no form of common sense and fairplay apply to these factions, only one thing can stop this... a big stick...
Now, please, leave my thread, you had your say, and its futile, your methods are tried, time and time again. They dont work. Any player that has played these factions for the past 4-5 years can confirm it. Do you think things will take a sudden turn for the better and people listen more nowadays? Well, then please let me wake you up from your dream. It won't... Like i already said, the only viable solution to this problem is a big stick....
' Wrote:stop attempting to troll/play pacifist when anybody affected by this knows that your methods dont work.
Like i said, no form of common sense and fairplay apply to these factions, only one thing can stop this... a big stick...
Now, please, leave my thread, you had your say, and its futile, your methods are tried, time and time again. They dont work. Any player that has played these factions for the past 4-5 years can confirm it. Do you think things will take a sudden turn for the better and people listen more nowadays? Well, then please let me wake you up from your dream. It won't... Like i already said, the only viable solution to this problem is a big stick....
Speak for yourself, please. Personally I partially agree with both of you.
' Wrote:Eta doesn't make sense IRP for me, so I don't really find this addition neccesary.
Eta was placed there in this mod as a soltion to the OORP raids, problem was, it only acted as a highway, shortening the time it took to reach Alpha/Gamma. Now, as Eta was installed into the mod with the purpose of being a battlefield, we should make it into a battlefield. The system is impossible to remove now, too many servers are using this mod, it would cause too much destruction if it was removed. I also agree that the battles should be in the sigmas, there is a reason why GMG is the enemy of both, but alas. The Eta system was added as a OORP solution to a OORP situation, but it only worsen the OORP situation by simplifying the travel route.
Im suggesting to fix this, simply to ensure that the OORP system are the only place were the OORP situations can unfold
' Wrote:Eta was placed there in this mod as a soltion to the OORP raids, problem was, it only acted as a highway, shortening the time it took to reach Alpha/Gamma. Now, as Eta was installed into the mod with the purpose of being a battlefield, we should make it into a battlefield. The system is impossible to remove now, too many servers are using this mod, it would cause too much destruction if it was removed. I also agree that the battles should be in the sigmas, there is a reason why GMG is the enemy of both, but alas. The Eta system was added as a OORP solution to a OORP situation, but it only worsen the OORP situation by simplifying the travel route.
Im suggesting to fix this, simply to ensure that the OORP system are the only place were the OORP situations can unfold
Eta fails as OC/Corsair caps are generally fail and aren't really adjusted by the lore.
You could say they're completely adjusted, okay, I can agree with a couple, but I can't really imagine seeing them on daily basis and as rather common property.
Some could belong to elite families, but definately not to unexistant militaries, as by the lore militaries/goverments in OC/CO don't exist yet and CO/OC aren't developed as Houses as well. By the lore. I'd be more them happy to turn Corsairs or OCs into organised nation, trust me. But if we turn them into nations, you'll loose two big boss pirate factions fighting over Sirius.
Also main reason for such raids usually is high concentration of players in home systems, doing cap missions or repping up. AS well as doing simply nothing.
' Wrote:Eta fails as OC/Corsair caps are generally fail and aren't really adjusted by the lore.
You could say they're completely adjusted, okay, I can agree with a couple, but I can't really imagine seeing them on daily basis and as rather common property.
Some could belong to elite families, but definately not to unexistant militaries, as by the lore militaries/goverments in OC/CO don't exist yet and CO/OC aren't developed as Houses as well. By the lore. I'd be more them happy to turn Corsairs or OCs into organised nation, trust me. But if we turn them into nations, you'll loose two big boss pirate factions fighting over Sirius.
Also main reason for such raids usually is high concentration of players in home systems, doing cap missions or repping up. AS well as doing simply nothing.
Well, talk to the admins. But like anything else in this mod, you wont get anything restricted enough for it to be within "realistic RP".... Im happy for the fact that we can all ACCESS capitals, although i favor massive restrictions to them, im in favor of "public access" although, i'd rather see official factions be the ones to grant access and not your own wallet.
Actually, the OC lore states that its run by the "Dons" a union of powerful elite families... as for CO, i dunno their lore too well, but im damn sure the Elders do exist within their lore.
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