Lets improve the gameplay between the Hessians and the Corsairs

[Reacher]

As for the Titan sucking...


Use flashpoints or 650m/s Codes and you will be pretty badarse and more than a match for Hessians....

They just can't use what they have, but that's their fault alone.

Indeed!

[Vladimir]

Vlad try something- take Legate and try to move it in 041 or from Crete to Lambada hole- you would find the ship useless.

I had 2 legates over my time here, they all worked fine. In fact, moving jorm is harder, because it has that hole on fw gun that gets small asteroids in.

Shall I reminder you that Outcasts are the prime corsair enemy

I'm not sure. In that other thread, all corsairs were preaching that the only real war they have is with hessians and it means they have more resources to spare compared to 2-3 wars people seem to think they're in.

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[Govedo13]

This is not about ship balance Govedo.

Well it is much about it actually. Ship balance is showing the huge disrespect due to fellow players from both sides- actually both Vito and Vlad shows how badly one could act vs its fellow player. I have played with both of you and I know that you both are great guys, however both have very wrong view about the corsair/hessian thing.
Because the whole stuff started when Hessians got their ass kicked by Solaris Osiris(ship), hessians got angry OORP, the official corsair factions even deployed them because the Titans (Ship) were not able to cope with Odins and Sabres(ships) in group snub fights.
In 4.86 the Corsair stuff(ships and guns) got mega nerfed with some hessian influence. So the corsairs are OORP angry because the Dev team are making them to idiots more or less.
And yes using civilian stuff because the faction stuff sux- such a great option.

Vlad- 4.86 Legate is so painful to use that I sold mine. I would buy Jug in order to test if this is the same ****. If this is the case then some system changes must be made- less asteroids near the main paths/places where people fight.

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Official faction players that are often accused of elitism, never deploy them and have those weird, immersion killing "fair fight/dueling" suicidal hobbies. (yes, i've seen enough of those lolduels, where house military with overwhelming force on the field willingly loses a pilot in a duel. ffs.)

[Vladimir]

Vlad- 4.86 Legate is so painful to use that I sold mine. I would buy Jug in order to test if this is the same ****. If this is the case then some system changes must be made- less asteroids near the main paths/places where people fight.

Well as for me it even got better. Pretty badass heavy battleship, i would exchange my jorm for it in a heartbeat.

Also if assteroids don't let your ships operate there easily, maybe that's the point, and enemy also suffers in big ships, so, how about flying snubs? Titan is really great. Maybe hessians just fly their odins better because sairs spent all time on flying solaris ossies instead of titan and now can't cope with the difference? Who knows.

Also kraken sabre > natter odin.

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[Madvillain]

Quick reminder what this topic is about:

There are serious problems between the Hessians and the Corsairs.
Instead of bickering and fighting each others opinions in loosely related general discussions threads,
I think it is up to us official factions to guarantee excellence and enjoyable gameplay to all parties.
Let us discuss enjoyable events, oorp ''gentlemens agreements'', bringing the focus back on roleplay instead of blue messages, and overal less grudge and more enjoyment for all factions involved.


So instead of getting more and more angry at each other, lets try to help each other out a bit.
Let's try to turn the tides and create something positive.
How?
discuss.

stop the bickering , let's talk constructive here.

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[Blodo]

Because the whole stuff started when Hessians got their ass kicked by Solaris Osiris(ship), hessians got angry OORP, the official corsair factions even deployed them because the Titans (Ship) were not able to cope with Odins and Sabres(ships) in group snub fights.
In 4.86 the Corsair stuff(ships and guns) got mega nerfed with some hessian influence. So the corsairs are OORP angry because the Dev team are making them to idiots more or less.
And yes using civilian stuff because the faction stuff sux- such a great option.

This is the reason why there are some grudges. Because some Corsair players make up a stupid story... like Corsair guns sucking (lie), Corsair ships sucking (big lie), and Hessian conspiracy in the dev team (biggest lie). And once the story is made up it spreads on skype, and eventually people just decide it's true. I wonder what else the Hessian conspiracy has done?

But back to constructive:

Outcasts created a thread in General Discussions where they invited all who had an Outcast character to join their general chat. Something like that for the Corsairs would probably be a good thing too, and I would definitely put my post in there so I can raid different things with you.

I already got a PM from a Corsair player about how to create a Hessian char which I am glad for. So now lets discuss this part.

[Coin]

from the other thread where i had totally missed the point

theres a massive difference between 'not fighting' and 'joining in the ganksquad to attack gamma' Your unholy alliance against everything corsair is bordering on a serious breach of 0.0; i invite you to make a titan and stand in out line of defense for an evening. Hell, i'll even PAY for your character. <ronnie, take the money of 'shikoko'>
you said it. not me. The lolganksquads that your alliance created have polarised the server. well done there. the end result? we hear of an attack in gamma, and all corsairs come out in force, and then the raid is popped. those raiders qq in their skype channels, and their friends pull their cruisers down and dock them on the zoner bases, so they can assist at a moments notice
and then the zoners get slapped around for something that they didnt do, and then the omicroner faction dies down and is almost out. well done there.

we cannot wipe out the hessians. you press 'respawn' and your back in the game. decentralisation has nothing to do with it. Sairs are the largest faction on the server, and the only one with THREE official fations, operating in separate areas. we have an advanced form of govt; autonomy within the areas of ZOO, and accord within ZOI.
however, i'll just say 'casablanca' here.
lore: corsairs paid for the planet in 49, zoners owe sairs plenty of mullah.
actual: the continued ganksquads that your alliance has whelped mean that you have created a corsair diaspora; we have a ZOI that far exceeds that of the hessians, to whit, you really should stop raiding in bretonia: you are rheinlanders. If the player-corsairs leave gamma, then the ganksquads will stop, as they will get bored of shooting nothing but npcs.

And then the activity of the Hessians will dwindle. The hessians need the sairs in gamma more than the corsairs need to be in gamma. if you would save your faction, start a war with the mollies, and give yourself more enemies, not alliances. I've been playing FL a looong time, across many servers; this gives me the experience to say that the hessians have less than a year to secure long-term rp/pewpew partners, before they start getting gentle reminders about activity levels.

Corsairs are the new CR :laugh:

Wether they want to admit it Corsair players have stirred up alot of Ill Will in the community. Only time or another community whipping boy will change things.

This is both disrespectful and inaccurate. CR doesnt/didnt have the number of enemies that the corsairs have.
do you have a corsair ship?

Corsairs still have more people and more ships, including a pretty heavy legate hessians don't have a good counter to.

They just can't use what they have, but that's their fault alone.

the snubs have always been a pain to fly. they're heavy, they're slow, and they're out-turned by the majority of bombers, nevermind VHFs. This led to a tendency for increased numbers of capital ships, and then... the rest is history.

1. i will make a hessian char when i get back from africa. (approx 4 weeks)

2. i have written up a hessian/sair event, spread across three systems, involving a mixture of caps/snubs/transports. will dig it out and post it in a new thread

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[Govedo13]

Corsair guns sucking (lie), Corsair ships sucking (big lie), and Hessian conspiracy in the dev team (biggest lie).

I thought that we would try to say/making something constructive here?
I would say if you think that before is a lie compare the facts first, test it and then come back to say that I am wrong, and personal option could not be a lie- for your information.:rtfm:
I say that corsair fighter guns are nerfed in 4.86- both Salamancas and pulse guns- this is a fact not a lie.
Second is my personal experience about the said ships.
If you think that I am wrong- prove it- organize public test of Hessian and Corsair ships in Connecticut or in the dev server- pick equal skilled pilots in 5v5 Titans vs Odins with faction guns and debs and repeat 10 times let say and you would see that the result would be the same 9 of 10 times- the Titan have no chance with that guns in group fights vs Odin- it is not a lie, Solaris Osiris/ Nerfed Corsair stuff etc are issues just following this statement/fact/personal opinione/whatever.

With this attitude you wont change anything. Till then I guess Coin Idea for leaving Omicrons and Gamma is not that bad, this topic would render useless because people does not really want to improve something, everyone wants/struggles to have better stuff and more blue msgs and nobody cares about the fellow player on the other side, none wants to be on the side with the worst equip then its enemy- in 4.85 it were the hessians now it is the corsairs. All/Some of the 4 points showed in my first post could solve the problem in a way that both sides can benefit from it.

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Official faction players that are often accused of elitism, never deploy them and have those weird, immersion killing "fair fight/dueling" suicidal hobbies. (yes, i've seen enough of those lolduels, where house military with overwhelming force on the field willingly loses a pilot in a duel. ffs.)

[Vladimir]

and personal option could not be a lie- for your information.

Not really. Otherwise i would say that 2x2=5 and claim that it's not lie, it's just personal opinion.

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[Vredes]

Remove Legate and Osiris from the Corsairs, Remove Jormungand from the Hessians, Remove Sarissa and Ranseur from the Outcasts and you got your selve an improved RP, gameplay and what...what did I see... is this the salvation to the topic problems...

I know it sounds a bit radical but that is my oppinion.