ships geting closed in .86

[Durandal]

RIght HF good job!

First admins declare spyglasses open use, which for their beauty, is awesome thing to have. So I bought one, for stunning 790 million credits.

/whine

This was decided before it was even made public, and cannon even said it wouldn't be refunded iirc.

Go yell at the admins if you want, not the HF.

Do I think it was a good decision? No.

Do I think it was biased? Well, I'll put it this way. The Togo isn't open use.

Can I do anything about it? Snowflake's chance in hell.

FIrst you go around, WE NO HAKRZ then you simply claim the ship.

Lolno. Tank Target wrote the story about the Ragnarok, the original Spyglass and flagship of the [HF], not the LH~, in 2007.

[Zahas]

Cannon said in a post that Spyglass it's open use for .85 and it will be closed in .86
I don't even know why you like this ship, HF ain't using it so frequently. It's purely geting kited by a dreadnought from 3.2k distance (based on the player that knows how to play a dread).

So far i see that zoner juggy it's a question mark for .86
I guess i should start do something...

[Lucas_Fernandez]

/whine

This was decided before it was even made public, and cannon even said it wouldn't be refunded iirc.

Go yell at the admins if you want, not the HF.

Hey Reptile tell me why CR caps closed? If we make Justin's dildo "public" there is no reason to keep cr caps closed in 4.86 :P

[CzeReptile]

Hey Reptile tell me why CR caps closed? If we make Justin's dildo "public" there is no reason to keep cr caps closed in 4.86 :P

Lets see to it. We aint got no indies.

Right. Answered. Mkay?

But yeah, itll be just gross loss of the hull, ill buy some other cap instead, saving up cash. Too bad about the design, good for admins to have fun working on disabling all those thatd be active.

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[Denelo]

Oh, look. This again. Right, as the Legion historian and general lore expert guy, I'm gonna address this, then you're going to go back on topic. Mmkay?

So here's how it is.

Origin

The Spyglass was first put into the mod as a generic import ship. It was "assigned" to LH for basically no reason with a one-sentence backstory about how it was once a Navy prototype, yet was sold on Gran Canaria and mainly used by random Military ID'd (and yes, there was a generic Military ID) people who wanted a generic battleship with absolute no RP what-so-ever. There was, of note, one Phantom Spyglass, but again, it was mainly just used as a giant generic pewship and not as a Spyglass.

Then along comes HF in mid-2006. We go "alright, look, this is pathetic" and decide that since no one else is even bothering to RP anything relating to the Spyglass at all, we'll write a story about it. We wrote it into the Legion backstory as the ship around which our existence centered. As the story goes, we escaped Liberty with the original Spyglass prototype, in a fate poetically similar to its sister, the Osiris. However, unlike the Order, we weren't interested in Nomads. We didn't even know about them for a long time, in fact. No, Thastus and his crew just wanted revenge for a real or imagined conspiracy against them. Rather than traveling Sirius, the Ragnarok settles down in an empty system the Lane Hackers use to sneak around California. Thastus and company then slowly start recuperating and building up, selling out as mercenaries against Liberty and selling technology to slowly acquire the assets to build a small outpost - one America Base. Within a couple years of the Legion's founding, the Ragnarok is disassembled, blueprinted, and recycled toward the construction of Phoenix Shipyards (later taken apart and incorporated into Leniex) and Monterray Base. Later, the blueprints are used to develop further Spyglass models, and all the modern Spyglasses are derived from those blueprints. As time went on, and no one else was even interested in the Spyglass (since it pretty much just sucks combat-wise), this became the server-wide accepted lore, and an integral part of the Legion's lore and backstory.

As a side note, this lore is also where the lore of the Order Recon Cruiser comes from. As part of our fleet buildup, we sold a stripped-down blueprint of the Spyglass scanner module to the Order in exchange for a combat-model Osiris (the Incursus). The Order reverse-engineered the scanner to make the ORC's focused tunneling Spyglass.

Lane Hacker Spyglass

There's not really much lore about why or how the Lane Hackers have any kind of Spyglass model. We just assume that we let them use the blueprints and our shipbuilding facilities, but it's a bit shaky. I've never found any decent justification for any Lane Hacker Spyglass - I've only ever seen "oh it's a Hacker ship and I'm a Hacker so I can fly it". There could easily be something I've missed, but nothing I've seen. We've dealt with the recent reopening of them as "an old, partial version of our blueprints was leaked, so a bunch of cheap copy models that are falling apart have started popping up". Why? Because at this point, our relations with the Lane Hackers are such that we wouldn't dream of selling them a warship of that scale, even if we could afford to. That RP only cover's HF's side of things and reactions. Basically, it's our way of figuring out how on earth this could happen while minimizing our intrusion into any RP - or at least the potential of RP - of these ships. Of course, if the owner wants to RP they got the ship another way, that's fine; again, we're only covering those without "how I got it" stories and giving Legionnaires a way to react to random Spyglasses they find flying around.

Other Canon Spyglasses

NTBS Belisarius: The Hellfire Legion scammed the Neo-Terran Front big-time. Tadao Mori - infamous for deal-making and corruption, and eventually ousted by a coup for it - was the Lord Commander of the Legion at the time, and essentially offered to give the Front a stripped-down Mk1 Spyglass without the scanning array in exchange for...

1. The wreck of the Cassus Belli. This Outcast Battleship was used for massive profit on the Legion's part. We first convinced the Outcasts to pay us nearly a year's worth of capital ship fuel for our role in getting it out of the Fronts' hands, then we turned around and sold it to the Vagrant Raiders for about four times what it was worth.
   
2. The NTGB Undaunted. This torn-up old Liberty Gunboat was used as part of the reconstruction of the HFGB Silverfire, which was rechristened after reconstruction to the HFGB Undaunted to appease the Neo-Terrans (well, really to get rid of the name "Silverfire", which was a truly terrible name even when the ship was first built back in '07).
   
3. A full military alliance. In other words, we got the NTF to waste their resources helping us shoot the Liberty Navy, thus, in our minds, furthering our goals.
   
4. Defense of Vespucci. We got even more free patrols.
   
5. A big advantage in a later arms deal that netted the Legion over a dozen Codenamed weapons in exchange for some Hellflurries.
   

VGS Metropolis: Similar deal to the NTF, but we didn't rip them off as badly. We got them to run tons of supplies to us for a year, enter a fully military alliance with us, station a permanent defense force in Vespucci as long as they remained our allies, and later to pay us way more for the wreck of the Cassus Belli than they really had any business paying us. That said, we trusted them a lot more, having worked with them for a while before the deal.

LH*Fu.Manchu: I have no idea. Really.

Claymore O'Gordon: Basically, Finn found the old wreck of the Ven'Gyr Mk II from where it was burned down shortly after completion in NY. He slapped the thing back together. Profit. The Legion IRPly had no idea the Claymore even existed until a few months ago, when an incident with the Claymore and the Xenos led to our surrounding Rochester with three large warships for half an hour threatening the Junkers before they finally convinced us to run off. It - along with our alliance with the Xenos - also contributed greatly to our current near-hostile standing with the Junkers.

Restriction, release, and rerestriction

We had literally nothing to do with any of the stuff surrounding Spyglass use in .85. Cannon restricted it without telling us, made it public without telling us (we complained that he was gonna rip people off come .86; he meh'd and said deal with it, so we did), and offered no lore reason for all the changes. We actually suggested that we make an "open" Hacker version based on the old blueprints that current Spyglasses got turned into for .86 as well as our v7 Legion Spyglass model, but the devs wouldn't let us. We've done everything we can to try and make this somewhat more reasonable for all the people caught with public-use Spyglasses, and have been cut off at every turn. We do not appreciate being flamed for our efforts on ya'll's behalf.

Indies, Hackers, and You

Dude. How many times do we have to say it? "I don't know, we're not hackers" it's a cop-out. We really don't know. I believe we have one or two members who have played Lane Hackers, ever. Playing HF is nothing like playing Hackers. We wear a Hacker Guard tag because we have to for our Guard system, or the admins'd Q_Q at us. That's pretty much it. We are a military force; they are a pirate force. We hate drugs; they love them. We work with a military command structure and have a very few set docking locations, and the only ones that Hackers can dock on of those are in Vespucci. Hackers aren't HF indies; they're Hackers. LH is the Hacker official faction, and indie Hackers are their indies. HF is an entirely separate faction that uses Hacker guns and tag because of mechanics issues; if .86 ever does roll around, then we'll stop immediately. We wanted to stop years ago (literally years, this has been in the works for the last four Legion leaders - ever since SevereTrinity led, really), but since our ships and tag don't actually exist in-game, our RP has been forcibly delayed from progressing that next step. This does not make us evil people. We have no control over it. You can keep faking reality and acting like we're to blame, or you can accept that we want to switch off the LH tag and guns rather badly. But either way, stop derailing threads and flaming over it.

BUT HF HAKURS TROLOLO-..

Stupidity - intentional or otherwise - isn't cool.

Y U WANT SHEEP!?!?! IT FAILS AT PVP AND U NEVER USE IT!

Yes, the Spyglass is terrible at PvP. If that's how you judge stuff, I suggest you don't fly it anyways.:P

Contrary to popular belief, the Legion isn't just some mindless pew faction with no backstory behind it. Yes, we're a prolific combat faction - but only because our roleplay dictates such. The Hellfire Legion is based solely on an array of lore that is truly epic in scope. It's the reason we shoot the Navy - as time has gone on, the motive has slowly changed from "revenge with propaganda of freedom" to "actual freedom, regardless of whether it's misguided", since our younger generations believed our propaganda and the older, revenge-driven ones all died out. It's the reason we do anything we do - and it's the reason we use the Spyglass, despite the fact that it's one of the worst battleships in the game (since it's a heavy battleship that's literally half the size of the Barge, with a Barge-shaped hitbox, yet has the firepower of a Dunkirk, as well as upper-medium to lower-heavy armor and no real redeeming features). Because the RP's not about pewpew - rather, the pewpew's about RP.

Also, for the record, we have three Spyglasses, and two are in our top 11 most active characters, with one being the second most active ship in the Legion. The only Spyglass that isn't that active is my personal Fleet Marshal's flagship, and that's because I really don't play this game, what with college and my not really being interested and all. You might not see them, but they aren't supposed to be seen - only one of them is really a mainline combat ship.

Alright. Now you can Q_Q about my 10,852-character wall of text. Meanwhile, I'm probably going to ignore you, because quite honestly if you're still whining at HF after this, you're probably just looking to flame us because you personally dislike us and not for any real justifiable reason, and so I'm not going to waste my time on you. Now get back on topic.

Edit: Please note that if you do have actual legitimate questions and are at least somewhat polite about asking them, I'd be happy to respond, but if you're just here to whine and flame, get lost.

[Zelot]

I just love how Reptile comes in here and complains that the Spyglass is going to be closed, while sticking out his tongue at the community about the CR doing the exact same thing. Hypocrite much?

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[Mao]

I just love how Zelot, our resident Admin troll (and anything but an admin, in general) comes in here and trolls Reptile for something that's not exactly the same since the owners of CR ships will get the new IMG ones losing no money (as for the Zephyrs, people knew about the change to CR BS long before and they had time to change it - BUT, since 4.86 is a lie and all that, no worries, ships stay as they are.) Troll much?

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[Zelot]

I just love how Zelot, our resident Admin troll (and anything but an admin, in general) comes in here and trolls Reptile for something that's not exactly the same since the owners of CR ships will get the new IMG ones losing no money (as for the Zephyrs, people knew about the change to CR BS long before and they had time to change it - BUT, since 4.86 is a lie and all that, no worries, ships stay as they are.) Troll much?

People had the same opportunity to know that the spyglass was being restricted. I just like to point out hypocracy when fit. Reptile comes in here to complain about his Spyglass being taken away, while at the same time writing this,

All nyx permissions will be void since all current will turn IMG VHF. So no more fancy I can haz nyx for anybody, reavers included. Suck on that

Yea, so, the CR who made people pay money for there ships, is not allowing the permissions to carry over? Yes, hypocrisy pure and simple. I want to be able to restrict my stuff to other people, but god forbid anyone restrict anything to me. Right?

Or, I am sorry, are the CR refunding all the credits they received from people for ships?

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[Mao]

Yea, so, the CR who made people pay money for there ships, is not allowing the permissions to carry over? Yes, hypocrisy pure and simple. I want to be able to restrict my stuff to other people, but god forbid anyone restrict anything to me. Right?

Yes, true, people payed money for CR tech and then used it against CR. They deserve to lose it. However, I might suggest a compensation for the ones that will lose their ships but remained loyal.... or those may just keep the ships.

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[Zelot]

Yes, true, people payed money for CR tech and then used it against CR. They deserve to lose it. However, I might suggest a compensation for the ones that will lose their ships but remained loyal.... or those may just keep the ships.

So you are going to refund the money all those people paid for ships?

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