ships geting closed in .86

[Panzer]

Quit labeling people.

Elitism is a label. Before you use it, try and learn something about those you pin it on.

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[Syrus]

Some specifics about the IMG/CR shipline split:
Ravens Talon: Stays as is
Charon: Removed from game. All existing ones become IMG LF (Manaslu)
Nyx: Goes to the CR. All existing Nyxies morph into the new IMG VHF (Lhotse)
Pytho: Goes to the CR. All existing ones become IMG bombers (Nanda Devi - heavy bomber)
Hydra: Goes to the CR. All existing ones become IMG gunboats (Gasherbrum, basically a similar ship)
Atlas: Goes to the CR. All existing ones become the new IMG transport (Nanga Parbat, 2200 cargo)
Argus: Removed from game. All existing ones morph into the new IMG battlecruiser (Sagarmatha)
Zephyr: Removed from game. All existing ones morph into the new CR battleship (Kronos)

IMG will get an additional miner transport (lower cargo capacity then the hegemon) and the CR gets an additional LF, (light) cruiser and strange looking freighter.

Let me say it this way...
Raven's Talon stays? Meh.
Charon switched to IMG LF? Good. Otherwise this fighter needed a balance fix.

Nyx, Pytho, Hydra to the CR?
Well, keep in mind people, that you need to have permission if you want to fly the IMG VHF. Tech granted
by the CR is not granted by IMG - even if your Nyx is switched to an IMG VHF, it needs to be granted by
IMG. In my opinion the IMG| should clean up the ship permissions as far as possible before .86.

Atlas to CR and being changed to the small IMG gooooo...ehm, transport?
I didn't like the Atlas as it was very slow and lacked agility. The combat performance wasn't the worst, but
it wasn't very good either. It's kind of sad to see it turning into a "useless" ship though. 2.2k cargohold is
very low, and I doubt many will fly it - but that'll probably also be a result of its looks...

Argus removed? Uh...alright. It had some model bugs I think. I could look through the edges.
Anyway, the ship was useless without a thruster. I hope the Sagarmatha will be better and I'm looking
forward to it. As we face mostly Dreadnoughts and Battleships from the OC side, a heavy battlecruiser
might be usefull, we have to see how it performs.

Juggernaut and Aquilion aren't yet being removed or replaced, although there is some discussion on it. My personal opinion on it is that if the IMG doesn't get a carrier because they ain't a military, the Zoners sure as hell shouldn't have a dreadnaught... But my voice isn't a big one.
Anything that becomes a whitecell due to these changes, ask permission. Expect a bit of leniency in some cases when dealing with snubs - but an "I had a Zephyr and want to keep this CR battleship now" to be answered with "lolno". Anything that becomes a redcell? Change ID or change ship. SRPs are closed.

As far as I know the IMG ID stays open for the use of (other) battleships. I hope that's right.
I like that IMG has no BS-like ship of their own anymore, the battlecruiser should be a usefull ship with that
new thruster now. I hope it will be a good ship. Hihi...

IMG| will need to see whether they can get a BS from CR as a flagship. As we don't use many caps anyway,
the loss of the Zephyr doesn't hurt us very much combat wise, iRP wise it's a bit sad to lose the carrier.
I wonder what will happen with those indie Zephyrs - bastille and repayed their credits?...

I look very much towards the CR and hope for a bigger tech-cooperation between IMG| and them. But that
will be decided then.



There aren't that many Zephyrs around anymore anyway. I know the Perihelion for example will be a
problem. ICMG has several of them. There are a few indi ones...
But alright, besides the small transport I'm happy with the changes.

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[Pancakes]

With stuff previously mentioned in this thread in mind, question to the admins:

What will happen to HF granted Lane Hacker's technology?

What I mean: Guy XXXX goes and says: "Kay, I want Bayonet". HF says: "Okay, you haz". However in 4.86 HF no longer control the Bayonet and it get it's own shipline.

Same with IMG granted CR technology.


I quite think it's unfair to just snatch away from people these permissions and they should turn into the equivalents in the new shiplines. Examples Atlas permission from IMG to the new IMG transports, IMG nyx to IMG VHF and HF-wise Bayonets to New HF-VHF since they have no new HF (unless I am mistaken?) and so on.

That's my 2 cent, I am member of neither any of the factions I mentioned though.

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BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD

[Jeremy Hunter]

I'd rather let people keep the ships, cuz it makes more sense InRP. "I haz Nyx...now I have something with a name I cannot pronounce! It just...morphed!"

:mellow:

But that's just me.

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May you ever walk in the Light, Shizune.

[Jamez]

Honestly don't see how any faction restricting fighters/transports improves the game experience for anyone.

Especially when these particular ships are probably the finest custom ships in Discovery.

Capital ships are a different matter.

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Andrew Skye
Starflier thrill-seeker

Evangeline Knight
Seasoned fighter pilot

Shinji Takeda
Renzu Corp ex-COO

[Enrico_B]

Yes...

If the spyglass is transfering to the HF in 4.86 (which is what I understand) then assume that players using them and LH Guard IDs will need to get rid of them when 4.86 is out. There will be a grace period to do this.

In the mean time, maybe we can have a little fun and extend our RP without a SRP?

That should clear up the Spyglass issue

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<span style="color:red">Viva los Corsairs</span> <span style="color:blue">viva Los Benitez</span> Viva Don Carlos

[12:28 PM] Aaron: ENRICO YOU GENIUS

[CzeReptile]

Everybody wants to keep their toys. But the CR/IMG tech is good issue. I also wonder, why not reset everything to the ground and re-negotiate it from the start.
Ill refund everybdy on our part for that.

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[Syrus]

I quite think it's unfair to just snatch away from people these permissions and they should turn into the equivalents in the new shiplines. Examples Atlas permission from IMG to the new IMG transports, IMG nyx to IMG VHF and HF-wise Bayonets to New HF-VHF since they have no new HF (unless I am mistaken?) and so on.

That's my 2 cent, I am member of neither any of the factions I mentioned though.

It can all be talked about. Just contact the IMG| over Skype, it shouldn't be the biggest problem.
Though the first step will be "nope, you can't keep it". Then it can be talked about. Because we don't want to
have people flying our ships without our direct permissions - especially after some things which happened
with our granted tech before.

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[Pancakes]

I think that should be made per admin's decision.

Moreover, I have no tech permissions from ANY of the aforementioned factions, nor is or was a member of them. The only thing I do have, is a permission for 4 "Vampire 4" guns by the IMG, but as far as I understand they remain IMG, and even if I'll lose that permission I don't -really- care (in a case the guns turn CR). It's only guns and I can always use the good old codies.

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BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD

[Taneru]

With stuff previously mentioned in this thread in mind, question to the admins:

What will happen to HF granted Lane Hacker's technology?

What I mean: Guy XXXX goes and says: "Kay, I want Bayonet". HF says: "Okay, you haz". However in 4.86 HF no longer control the Bayonet and it get it's own shipline.

Same with IMG granted CR technology.
I quite think it's unfair to just snatch away from people these permissions and they should turn into the equivalents in the new shiplines. Examples Atlas permission from IMG to the new IMG transports, IMG nyx to IMG VHF and HF-wise Bayonets to New HF-VHF since they have no new HF (unless I am mistaken?) and so on.

That's my 2 cent, I am member of neither any of the factions I mentioned though.

Well, Bayonets will remain Bayonets, and I, nor anyone else in the HF leadership, have no plans of revoking our granted permissions for those. Permissions for Bayonets will not suddenly become permissions for Prosecutors(That's to be the new Legion VHF's name).

Yes, some of our tech permissions may end up being changed. The only thing I know for certain that we are keeping is the Spyglass, and we've only needed to give out permission for one of those. I also know that we will no longer have control over Hellflurries(Which make up just over half of our permissions), but I cannot say what will happen in that case because I have no idea. It will probably have to be handled on a case-by-case basis.

As far as I am concerned though, the current permissions for Bayonets are, and will continue to remain, valid, but unfortunately I cannot do anything beyond that on the issue.
And as for ships beyond those we have give permissions for, well, I can do even less there.

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