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**jammi** · 12-14-2011, 03:13 PM,

It might also be a very good idea to remove your battleships from the roster. The two stationary bases represent your entire battleship fleet, I believe.

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Pancakes · 12-14-2011, 03:14 PM,

' Wrote:There are precedents people being sanctioned for certain actions out of ZOI. I dont like it, but well.. thats a fact. Thats an opportunity for people who may dont like you to pose an OORP complains.

I will look into it, but I assume that official faction is one that establish its faction's RP, thus allowed to go outside the normal ZoI for special occasions.

Also, note that ZoI can change, it's a dynamic thing.

' Wrote:It might also be a very good idea to remove your battleships from the roster. The two stationary bases represent your entire battleship fleet, I believe.

Per Igiss' lore we have 5 as far as I remember. I will look into it and give a fresh answer quickly.

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West · 12-14-2011, 03:17 PM,

' Wrote:I can think of no logical reason whatsoever for the Gaians so much as considering assisting you.

As I told... alliance/friendship may fade during some time

Quote:Also, you cannot seriously be suggesting you have 5,000 Chimeras stashed on two battleships...

maybe not 5k... no idea how many... and not on 2.. but on 5

Quote:The Bretonian public would want closure for all the lives Kusari had claimed - arresting the Emperor would be a PR coup in that case.

okay, they will arrest him... what next? they got some forces for key defence(they lack ship ye?) and now all that went hostile to them

Quote:Congratulations - your mere two battleships and all within have just been killed by the combined firepower of the biggest military build-up in Bretonia.

okay... they will crush them... what next? they lost part of their forces... and destroyed all knf forces that might help them to defend bretonia.

Quote:You do have a supply problem, because you're no longer members of the KNF (no annual government budget to fund you) and all the Ronin's assets back home in Kusari have been frozen. The rumours for .86 say you're living off Bretonia's credit - and getting notoriously ripped off during the process.

rumors for .86.. and how do we have to know about it? do not pretend that samura would just leave them there:D as I told.. it's up for interpretation.

Quote:This is not how feedback is working.

Recall the good old CCCP| chaps and what they have answered to the negative feedback they had.
Dont like it? Deal with it.

Something very same i see here.

you want to change something that already writen in lore.... I think it's good answer for you:lol:

Drider · 12-14-2011, 03:20 PM,

Quote:you want to change something that already writen in lore.... I think it's good answer for you

And i think that rude answers will lead you nowhere.
Look on the Pancakes's response and do a bit of thinking.

Never forget, never forgive.

**jammi** · 12-14-2011, 03:22 PM,

' Wrote:rumors for .86.. and how do we have to know about it? do not pretend that samura would just leave them there:D as I told.. it's up for interpretation.

As the guy who's writing all the rumours for Cambridge, Manchester and New London, I got a look at Leeds and Newcastle too, to make sure everything I was doing fit. Wait and see. You're not in a good supply position. :cool:

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SMI-Great.Fox · 12-14-2011, 03:25 PM,

' Wrote:I'm not Zelot.. but point me to it pls.
ZOI I told you already.... in .85 BAF were able to reach NT/Honshu... why can't we reach Gallia core worlds with some fighters using backdors?

In going along with seeing your neutral stance towards Gallic Unlawfuls, I forsee a few instances this can happen.

EDIT: Reason being for such. I recall those times they were able to was due to the QCP showing them the way correct?

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AndrzejB · 12-14-2011, 04:52 PM,

Since while writing my previous post I didn't see what Pancakes wrote, I'll have more questions:

' Wrote:As for the ZoI - I highly doubt that The Ronin will be able to get to Kusari for few simple reasons:
1) They are cut-off by the GRN forces.

So. Where does the Samura and Renzu ships come from and how? Were they already there, civilian ships in the midst of a war?
How come the ZoI covers systems adjacent to the Kusari? If the fact of being cut off is a fundamental part of your RP, let the area of operations reflect it. Let alone the equipment.
Otherwise, guerilla warfare against the GRN using Farmers' bases is as logical (if not more) as similar with Gaians.

' Wrote:1) Gaians will have less hostile stance with Bretonia. The GRN unlike Kusari don't have great value for nature and won't mind to crush nature in it's way.
2) The GRN kicks Gaians out of Lewis, remember that.

Gaians entered a non-aggression pact with Gallia much like the IMG, the storyline says. Gaians will be equally as happy for Gallics to find out about friendship/alliance with Ronin as the Junkers are when LN finds Order ships docking at Rochester. Why the Gaians risk that?
Kusari doesn't seem to value nature that much (terraforming?). In fact, nobody values. Also, is it (better relations with Bretonia) covered by the Gaians lore?

Just a humble suggestion: Gaians were relying on supplies from Kusari. Now the are in a dire situation and can't magically supply whole battlegroup. If your forces are large enough to matter (and it seems they are), few Gaian bases aren't worth the trouble because they won't do the job anyway. Rely on the Bretonian shipyards and cut the ties with Gaians.

Speaking of diplomacy. If one of the goals is "Assist Bretonian Forces in defense of House Bretonia." please consider relation toward Bretonian lawfuls turning green. Ronin are not paying guests in a hotel called Bretonia. They are allies. Unless it is left out on purpose, to RP difficulties described at the last paragraph of this post.
If that's the case, I pray for that faction to consist of reasonably good RPers and no emotional players. Otherwise the KuExiles will end up fighting everybody and everyone (and claim to be winning :-)).

' Wrote:3) Bretonia whether liking it or not can't ignore the kusari forces that assist it in the fight. Bretonia is already very weak from the previous fight with Kusari and will (or at least should) take any help it can get.

According to the lore, Ronin have a potential to become an important part of Bretonia's defense during the forthcoming war. It's not like it is written in the stone that the are. There was a question implied in that statement. Or many questions: How would the emperor had to act so he isn't arrested and his forces put in an internment camp? Because while Bretonia is not in a good situation (even with Liberty backing it up), emperor's bargaining position is far worse. And:

Darth Google Wrote:If i would be in BAF or Ronin - i would made loads both of ingame and forum RP about the matter. Arresting, releasing, conflicts between new "friends" - that kind of stuff.

Conflicts may especially arise between the Ronin and QCP branch of BAF (they are more fanatic and used to a certain level of freedom). Similar with the the storyline mentioned BAF auxiliaries (Space Volunteer Corps) which will be even less disciplined lot.
The diplomacy will be awfully important part of your RP (imagine Zoners' and Junkers' trouble with neutrality, but multiplied). It isn't reflected in the OP. I admit, it's not "happy happy happy joy joy pewpew", but it leaves out so many how and why...

Feel free to PM me regarding any grammar/spelling/other language mistakes I have made in my posts.

' Wrote:[...] Outcasts get sniffy [...]

Bloody foreigners.

Unseelie · 12-14-2011, 05:23 PM,

I am also really, really curious about how you hope to hold onto the alliance with Gaia while trying to forge one with bretonia.

As I feel about the matter, Bretonians hate yall. You're the ones who invaded, and so forth, as put forth in this thread. Gaians...have good reason to -still- hate bretiona, and will have new and sundry. They were using -you- the Emporer, and his government, to support their hate of bretonia, and with the pursestrings dried up, I doubt they'll hold on to you..but that is really something that will emerge.

As the document before me states, yes, that may be what the faction believes as of the opening of the Gallic Invasion...but I think you should seriously consider an evolution of positions as it becomes clear to you that A: the bretionans are not likely to soften up, and yeah, they will, even to their own loss, hold grudges on multiple fronts, while, B: the Gaians are going to start wondering what good you are if they have to support you, and not vice versa.

Mostly, what I'm getting at is that this position seems to be an amalgam of two or more, taken from different points of evolution of a story.
At first, you're going to discover, if you hold to that position, that the Gaians cant, and have very little interest in, supporting you. Then you may decide to turn to bretonia, as the story suggests you do, and you're going to discover there that Bretonia is willing to help you only at the most usurous rates. Bretonians will see you as useful because they can put you in the meatgrinders first...

Not the sort of vitriol that could work out pleasantly for you. I expect things should sour on all your fronts.

Myself, I'm fairly excited about the possibilities for this faction, and for indies playing in the same sphere of rp as is possible here. I would very much like to find myself a kusari gunboat and engage in some piracy in Tau, as actions in economic support of the Emporer...but I'm not sure I want to work up to it through your ranking system (which is really the reason for indie caps, that's the role I want to play, not a fighter role, not even the role of a regular in the Ronin..) and I'm not sure my ideas will jive with what you're trying to do.

In fact, I'm not entirely clear on what you're trying to do, aside from shoot gallics. Story wise, I consider it rather one dimensional, but what I've read of it seems to be a single announcement, from one point in time. I think you need to lay out a much clearer path of what you know, in RP, and what will likely happen, that you dont' know In rp, and how, in RP, your faction will discover.

There seems a huge opportunity for this faction, in the months following the update, to engage in storyline that changes and archs and is quite dynamic. That seems very exciting

Pancakes · 12-14-2011, 05:34 PM,

Alright Alright.

I will start with the things easier for me to answer (and that I can answer, some stuff you will have to wait for Zelot to answer).

As for "Why Bretonia doesn't arrest the emperor?"

Bretonia, unlike some might illustrate, have barely any force to fight off the GRN. Alone they simply -can't- make it. The Ronin compared to the remaining Bretonian forces are quite numerous and if Bretonia will attack them they will achieve nothing but anther enemy.

Also, Renzu ships are not just in Kusari. They are found in Sirius' freemarket, and former KNF soldiers wouldn't dare to use anything that is not Kusari originated, that's part of Kusari's RP.

As for the Gaian's none-aggressive pact with GRN good point. I will sit down with [U] and try to find a solution. At any rate betraying former allies is against the Kusarian honor (yes, it counts more than one's life).

as for the QCP - If BAF tell em to stop something, they will stop it.

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD

Zelot · 12-14-2011, 05:59 PM,

First off this will be a (everyone get ready to scream and yell) a closed faction. There will be no indies.

This is a small battle group, 5 battleships and 10 destroyers, a handful of other KNF ships which will be supplemented by civilian ships. Mainly Renzu, because it is Kusarish and Sirius wide Civilian.

As for the Gaian thing, if the Gaian player faction has a problem with the relations, we will change it, I have tried to talk with the leader of the faction, but that has recently changed, and I haven't had a chance to talk with Dino about the whole thing. If he doesn't like it, it will change. That said, we will not be changing relations because the Bretonians thing oorp we shouldn't work with them. Much like the Bretonians have managed to maintain relations with the Outcasts, while somehow maintaining their close connections with Liberty. It's about keeping things quiet. As I said earlier in the thread, if the Bretonians catch us, they can say something about it. But yea, if the Bretonians want to not go along with the storyline and cooperate, I guess I can just change the Ronin to attacking Bretonia alongside the Gallics? Right? No, we have to play by the storyline which says that the Exiles are having cooperation, even grudgingly with Bretonia. That's what we intend to rp. If the Bretonians don't like the mod storyline, well too bad. If the Bretonians want to try and arrest the Emperor, in violation of the mod storyline, I guess there is nothing I can do about it, except roll with it. If the faction is pushed so far from the storyline it cant play it's role, I think it would be a shame, but I guess that is up to the Bretonian players.

The ZOI maps was a quick draw, and needs to be pulled a bit in this directions and pulled back a bit in other directions. We will operate in Gallia, we will operate in the Taus, we will operate in Bretonia, we wont operate, or even go anywhere else. No meetings with the Corsairs in Gamma, no meetings with the RM in Rhienland, nothing outside the Taus, Bretonia and Gallia. We are also going to stay out of the Baffin corridor to stay away from the CR due to past experiences.

I am trying to catch up on all the points being made, but it seems many of them are just people who dont like the mod storyline, and there isnt much I can do about that. Also as to people making comments about what is going on in Kusari at this time, that is up to another faction to decide, not the Ronin.

Finally, Samura will still be dealing with the Ronin, as Samura also sees Kogen's potential victory as their way back to power in Kusari. They will just be getting to the Ronin via Liberty and Rhienland.

I guess I should also note the high command of this faction, which is myself, West, Pancakes and Bakamono.

I am here to be able to hopefully answer any other questions, or respond to any other comments. But as a note, just because you disagree with something, doesnt mean we are necessarily going to change it. We have a pretty clear picture of what we are looking for this faction, and just because we don't change it to suit your tastes, does not mean we are being rude or mean.

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