SOPA

[Treewyrm]

So, you're in favor of SOPA/Protect IP because it protects companies turf?

Nah I think he wants americans to feel how it's like being more and more censored and censorship abused by large corporations, not just media sector but also big pharma and such. Somewhere along the lines of democracy, transparency, land of the free and all that kind of stuff. But I wouldn't wish that internet censorship (and that's what it really is) on regular citizens, so good luck stopping that madness.

[ProwlerPC]

If it was truly meant to be used to protect company turf it woulda been written to protect company turf rather then just being advertised as something to protect company turf. Instead it's written to have a far broader jurisdiction. Kinda like that Patriot Act so ironically titled.

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[Govedo13]

I actually don't care. I cannot be in favour/against anything since I am not American at the first place. I said it wont change anything compared with the currnet situation, the only visible change will be youtube because streaming of content will be illegal now.
I mean you cannot use content for free in USA even now because they already track you and you have internet privacy at all without SOPA, SOPA will make sure that people cannot make business with stolen copyright by streaming like youporn do, and actually SOPA will protect some casual noob USA users who download copyright content from the same companies who paid for the bill lobbing. Actually nobody aims to stop piracy- it is unstoppable for sure with our technical level now, just look around you and you will see that you can copy/reproduce any kind of content in a seconds and give it to someone else even without using internet- CDs,DVDs, HDDs, usb flash memories, direct intranet networks- no regulation can stop piracy - if piracy is defined like it is defined now:
"I buy a film. I copy it to give it to my mate at the uni and I am pirate and thief..."

The truth is that the content producers aim to stop people making money from their copyright content because they loose real market share not hypothetical one, that's why I find the EU Law cool- they also start to track you and look into your privacy but only after you have uploaded or downloaded more then the size of 40 DVDs per period of time. If you know what are you doing you should have no problems.

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Official faction players that are often accused of elitism, never deploy them and have those weird, immersion killing "fair fight/dueling" suicidal hobbies. (yes, i've seen enough of those lolduels, where house military with overwhelming force on the field willingly loses a pilot in a duel. ffs.)

[Death.RunningVerminator]

so good luck stopping that madness.

Thanks.. We're gonna need it.

If it was truly meant to be used to protect company turf it woulda been written to protect company turf rather then just being advertised as something to protect company turf. Instead it's written to have a far broader jurisdiction. Kinda like that Patriot Act so ironically titled.

Exactly. Like socialism, it's good in theory.. But it just does too much damage and doesn't even work when implemented.

[Death.RunningVerminator]

I said it wont change anything compared with the currnet situation, the only visible change will be youtube because streaming of content will be illegal now.

Ah. No, it will change much more. The DNS Blocking part mainly. Like disco.. We have a lot of copyrighted material here, everyone knows this to be true. And so basically what's gonna happen is the forum site being blocked by Americans. Though instead we'll have to put in the IP for the forum server in the address bar. But i don't know ALL the details. There's a lot i still don't understand, especially in the actual documents.

[ProwlerPC]

Though instead we'll have to put in the IP for the forum server in the address bar.

This is correct. They only have the authority to affect their own national DNSs. So if USA blocks Disco the American user can still browse using the IP address. Games themselves also don't use DNSs so they still access public servers even if the local DNS is down. It's a fail bill atm because of this mechanic. Internet Protocols and the World Wide Web is outdated, however, and whether this bill is passed or not the mindset is defentely in the heads of those in power. Next global network incarnation will feature easy censorship without due process. This is too easy to predict, I find.

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[Govedo13]

Verminator you are not really into internet stuff and money made from internet right?
Actually the big companies cannot care less if you use one of their copyright pictures in your avatar/signature at first place because you cannot generate profit for them with it, if they does not loose money why shall they invest money in lobbing, hiring agency to track you, paying lawyers to sue you etc.
It will work in the same faction like the filter for child porn works- even if some content exists when you cannot find it in the net it does not exist for you. They already filter tons of sites/blogs that are not suitable for government- not only in USA but in Europe too

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Official faction players that are often accused of elitism, never deploy them and have those weird, immersion killing "fair fight/dueling" suicidal hobbies. (yes, i've seen enough of those lolduels, where house military with overwhelming force on the field willingly loses a pilot in a duel. ffs.)

[NixOlympica]

Hell even guys that created Internet sent a message to the USA government.

http://www.techspot.com/news/46705-sopa-de...-in-letter.html

[Death.RunningVerminator]

Verminator you are not really into internet stuff and money made from internet right?
Actually the big companies cannot care less if you use one of their copyright pictures in your avatar/signature at first place because you cannot generate profit for them with it, if they does not loose money why shall they invest money in lobbing, hiring agency to track you, paying lawyers to sue you etc.
It will work in the same faction like the filter for child porn works- even if some content exists when you cannot find it in the net it does not exist for you. They already filter tons of sites/blogs that are not suitable for government- not only in USA but in Europe too

Govedo, what are you talking about?.. By the way, they wouldn't be losing money by posting a video of a child playing with a toy and having music in the background. But yet they remove it anyways. There's a ton of other examples I'm sure you know of that counter your argument that they don't care if it doesn't affect their money.

[Treewyrm]

Govedo, actually it's quite different from what you're saying. Here is a thing, suing people and dragging cases through courts is expensive for one thing and sometimes it just doesn't work for them if it's done on mass scale, so what they want is to simply walk around that, and without any due process they'd simply point a finger to a website and claim it infringes copyright, assists in copyright infringement and something along those lines, they will not need to provide any evidence to that, but the ISPs will be forced to comply with DNS takedowns, payment processing companies such as visa, mastercard and paypal will also be forced to comply. They aren't making just another law, they already did that with previous bills such DMCA, no, they want to be the law in internet, above the judicial system. This is an instrument to get rid of any competition that they may perceive as threatening to them. And they're well-known to abuse those exclusive rights that are given to them, now they want even more and it's really getting ridiculous. So yes, contrary to what you're saying that will change a lot if it gets through. Not instantaneously but that'll be getting progressively worse as they'll make more and more use of that. Sometimes it isn't done because they would directly profit from such takedown, often the case is to have a "chill effect", in other words to scare others, showing they can sue individuals for millions and millions for a few lousy mp3 songs.