Closed Factions IDs= Terrorist IDs?

[Dusty Lens]

Vito.

Do not try to understand the RoS. They're as much a 4.8something holdover as the NovaPG would be if they still existed today. They exist in the form they do with the toys they hold because Loh did mod work and because Joe is an admin. They're the HF of your corner of space.

In a nutshell: To promote peace they will kill anyone they see fighting. But that's boring so now they'll just kill anyone they see undock. For peace.

That's really it.

[Vito]

At this very moment I'm talking to Omnicron on Skype about it and now I'm even more confused. A large portion of the factions RP is based on the Corsair - Outcast war and that would be fine if it wasn't for the fact that there is no war between the Hispanics (and I'm really tired about trying to explain this). All fighting comes from minor skirmishes in the Sigmas over the best pirating spots and here is where things really get crazy... I was told the RoS's aim to stop the Corsair - Outcast fights and the respective fights (should) happen in the Sigmas and East Kusari but the Reapers are not allowed to go there. Funny, isn't it?

Then, from what I've read the main goal of the RoS is to destroy all Coalition they see but if a mercenary and Coalition dude are fighting would they kill them both or help the mercenary? What if we replace the mercenary with an Outcast or a RM?

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Vito.

Do not try to understand the RoS. They're as much a 4.8something holdover as the NovaPG would be if they still existed today. They exist in the form they do with the toys they hold because Loh did mod work and because Joe is an admin. They're the HF of your corner of space.

In a nutshell: To promote peace they will kill anyone they see fighting. But that's boring so now they'll just kill anyone they see undock. For peace.

That's really it.

Thank you. Everyone else told me pretty much the same thing but the silly me insisted on them being more than that.

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[Dane Summers]

lol nice try. Shows how much you know about the SCRA and the Corsairs.

We have the Hessians, but even that 's kinda in doubt.

The corsairs have Hogosha and Gaians.

If you dont attack civilians, why are you arguing so hard to keep it on the id?

Wasn't arguing over the ID - I'm trying to explain a faction to a lot of folks here who still see us as the phantoms, just with some red in our black.

Alright. This time I'll try to be constructive about given subject taking the dispute btween Zelot and Aphil in concideration. As far as it could look like a flame it's not intented, I'm seriuos.

I. SCRA
What strikes me about them is strange self claimed heroism to save sirius workers from oppresion. They live in one system, have no planets nor population (you can't accomodate hundreds of thousends in few carved rocks) no matter how you try to cover it up in rp. And yet still manages to assemble huge fleets and wage -war- (war? for real?) nearly against everyone they encounter. Be it outsider groups (sairs, casts) or be forces of offial houses, be it nomads.

We have two planets - Vologograd and JiangXi.

2. Confronting enemies, ussaly with brute force rather than anything else. Also having all that fleet doesn't reflect the desperate situation SCRA should be while being at -war- with nearly everyone in Sirius. This seems to lead to a conclusion that SCRA are self sustainable. If that so, then why they need all those strange alliances?

We share space with the Hessians, and we share two common enemies - Corsairs and Rheinland. That makes them enough to be friendly, but should either of us "win" then our capacity for being allies stops completely.

Think of it like the BD and GC - for now they can both fight together, but when it comes time for victory, only one outcome will be accepted - and neither is gonna let the other get the prize.

War with corsairs. Why? Why they would be at war with corsairs? They are at their doorstep. And in actuallity the only socium which is not governed by capitalist corporations. The main reason they act aggresivly is that they were neglected by other nations as unworthy savages. Not like they choose to do bad things, they are agressive becouse from the begining it was the only way for them to survive.

We are at war with corsairs for a very easy to understand reason. Because they are corsairs.

Corsair society is full of a massive sense of might makes right - they are bloodthirsty, belligerent, and completely convinced of there own superiority - which makes them closed minded barbarians - theyll kill anyone and everyone, because no one is worth consideration past there own society - the concept of human rights on a planet with no food is a joke, and they have sacrificed and eaten there own in the past.

Corsairs will never accept anyone but corsairs ruling the entire universe. Because of that, and because not everyone, if anyone, wants to live under cruel fascist tyrants, they have to die.

3. SCRA and target priorities. As Zelot said, it would make more sense to strike luxury goods or corporation property. The open confrontation is something such group shouldn't be able to allow themselves due to potencial damage they might suffer and resources they might lose.

We arent bolsheviks.

4. "We don't attack civilians." I beg to differ. When I was in SCRA durning all that SCRA's civi war, I had Straw Dogs character. We were given freedom to attack anyone. I can repeat anyone including simple cargo haulers or ore miners.

For lols it was commented like: "keyboard warriors fight to provide mouse warriors with targets". Apart from few 'roleplayers' it was mainly consisted from PvP-whores, some of them were working in "sina's gang" on regular basis.

That was a long time ago, and the fact you mentioned a perma banned person, who the concept of attacking civilians seemed like just his kinda thing. either way, that attitude, the one you just displayed, is vehemently crushed within the current SCRA as it is.

From the example I provided they do shoot civilians, not on regular basis, but do. And propably they don't want to close a window for further develpoments they might want to have or to lose flexibility on which they can act.

What we wish to preserve is the ability to interdict people carrying genuinely harmful commodities - those being Cardimine, Slaves, and in the case of the corsars, we want to harm their economy by stopping the artifact trade

And now back to the ID matter. The problem with ID is that it allows too much stuff. Quite a few developers/administrators already complains about strange self written SCRA rp which disregards balance in many ways and really seems like pure powergaming. Leaving an open ID would allow SCRA to do strange stuff even further, which, IMO, shouldn't be allowed.

Then were glad its not up to you, since you seem to have a warped opinion on what our faction is, and what it does

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[Zelot]

We are at war with corsairs for a very easy to understand reason. Because they are corsairs.

Corsair society is full of a massive sense of might makes right - they are bloodthirsty, belligerent, and completely convinced of there own superiority - which makes them closed minded barbarians - theyll kill anyone and everyone, because no one is worth consideration past there own society - the concept of human rights on a planet with no food is a joke, and they have sacrificed and eaten there own in the past.

Corsairs will never accept anyone but corsairs ruling the entire universe. Because of that, and because not everyone, if anyone, wants to live under cruel fascist tyrants, they have to die.

Say What???????
Dude, I really think you need to do some background work. Many members of the Coalition are Corsairs, Ares one of the most admired leaders of the SCRA was Corsair. It was the Corsairs who gave support and alliance when the SCRA was establishing itself in Sirus. The original Coalition members in Sirius were part of the Hispanic sleeper ship. Aside from that, I really dont know where you get any of that rant from. Maybe you had some conflicts with Corsairs or something, but that right there is the biggest load of hogwash and fairly contradictory to your own factions lore.

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[Vito]

The corsairs have Hogosha and Gaians.

We are at war with corsairs for a very easy to understand reason. Because they are corsairs.

Corsair society is full of a massive sense of might makes right - they are bloodthirsty, belligerent, and completely convinced of there own superiority - which makes them closed minded barbarians - theyll kill anyone and everyone, because no one is worth consideration past there own society - the concept of human rights on a planet with no food is a joke, and they have sacrificed and eaten there own in the past.

Corsairs will never accept anyone but corsairs ruling the entire universe. Because of that, and because not everyone, if anyone, wants to live under cruel fascist tyrants, they have to die.

A couple of notes:

First, we have Hogosha and Farmers (the Gaians went neutral and we returned the favor) which are both on the other side of Sirius and thus irrelevant.

About the second issue, I hope that's just the SCRA's propaganda. Just in case it isn't and you really have no idea about what the corsairs are and do here is some info about the Corsairs:
- you're right about first part. We're warriors, we do think we're better than everyone else, we might seem barbarians to some, but we're by no means closed minded.
- our aim is not to kill anyone and everyone just for sport, but because time and problems forced us to get what we need at gunpoint.
- we pirate because we have to, not because we want to. That's why we're trying to get biodomes and supplies sent our way in the first place
- the Ventru have scarified themselves so the others will survive and I see that as socialism taken to extreme, in a weird and creepy way
- we do not want to rule the entire universe, we just want Cambridge or Stuttgart so that we will feed our own people

People are forgetting we were there (Omegas/Omnicrons) first, long before the Order, Zoners, BH/Core, Hessians, Mollys, RoS or SCRA even came into existence so from where I'm standing it's them attacking us, not the other way around

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[Govedo13]

And what the whole Corsairs/SCRA rant have to do with the IDs?:lol: It is clear that Dane have no idea what he is talking about but this was clear 3 pages back too.
At least last Dusty post wasn't hypocrite one, we got improvement.

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Official faction players that are often accused of elitism, never deploy them and have those weird, immersion killing "fair fight/dueling" suicidal hobbies. (yes, i've seen enough of those lolduels, where house military with overwhelming force on the field willingly loses a pilot in a duel. ffs.)

[DarthBindo]

We have the Hessians, but even that 's kinda in doubt.

No it's not really in doubt. I'm pretty sure that's a straight up alliance.
But anyhow, you also have the Mollys, and the IMG, and the CR.

The corsairs have Hogosha and Gaians.

We don't have the Gaians anymore.

We are at war with corsairs for a very easy to understand reason. Because they are corsairs.

Corsair society is full of a massive sense of might makes right - they are bloodthirsty, belligerent, and completely convinced of there own superiority - which makes them closed minded barbarians - theyll kill anyone and everyone, because no one is worth consideration past there own society - the concept of human rights on a planet with no food is a joke, and they have sacrificed and eaten there own in the past.

Corsairs will never accept anyone but corsairs ruling the entire universe. Because of that, and because not everyone, if anyone, wants to live under cruel fascist tyrants, they have to die.

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That was a long time ago, and the fact you mentioned a perma banned person, who the concept of attacking civilians seemed like just his kinda thing. either way, that attitude, the one you just displayed, is vehemently crushed within the current SCRA as it is.

That permabanned person was a member of the High Command, and was backed to the hilt by not only other members of the HC (some of whom are still there) but by your faction leader. In fact, Alvin argued many times to reduce Sina's sentence until the eventual perma-perma-ban was handed down from on high.
That spirit of Sina can still be seen even today in how the SCRA handles feedback and how it operates.

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[ProwlerPC]

I'm in the class of people who believe that Corsairs are an underdog in Sirius when compared to the houses. That Corsairs are a prime example as a victim of the capitalistic greed of the houses. Their situation has desperate from the beginning and I would figure a group like the SCRA would be outraged at the houses for allowing the "crime" against Corsairs to continue. This crime being the ongoing ostracization of the Corsairs from the Sirius economy. A group claiming to intimately know the negative drawbacks of capitalism should know that the underdogs left behind to feed on scrap would regress into more and more primitive cultural states. Despite their aggressive nature I'd imagine SCRA using the Corsair model as proof that supports their own rhetorics and dogma. The belief here is that if Corsairs have a fair chance like everyone else then they won't be in the state that they are in.

I've always figured SCRA would target houses, monopolies and the luxurious items of the overprivileged.

also

People are forgetting we were there (Omegas/Omnicrons) first, long before the Order, Zoners, BH/Core, Hessians, Mollys, RoS or SCRA even came into existence so from where I'm standing it's them attacking us, not the other way around

This is a factual truth in Disco. Although they are mean people this particular detail shouldn't be forgotten by players even though their characters, by RP, do forget this detail.

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[mtjsmith]

The current RP run whenever we've hit Crete is one of "The Elders are the corrupt ones in your society, hoarding food and supplies while sending your men and women out to fight and pirate in hopeless situations".

I have been displaying that same rhetoric every time we have done a Gamma-raid since 4.86. My aim of that is to try and incite revolution amongst the Civilian population of Crete.

Why?

Corsairs are right on our doorsteps, it makes sense to have a Corsair nation under a Communist government.

Will it work?

You never know, the Corsairs might stop being a Council of the Privileged and actually do some democratic stuff in the future. If it does, insert Communist Policy Maker A into Vote Booth A to steal/win election.

What if it doesn't work?

Well, I'll have a moral victory :D

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[Fat.Igor]

Thank you. Everyone else told me pretty much the same thing but the silly me insisted on them being more than that.

You're in a conflict, you get shot.

You're not in a conflict, you get shot so you dont get into one.

Its simple really, you got shot a few times, died, and now you're looking for reasons as to why you got shot. Silly you is silly.

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