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DarthBindo · 01-13-2012, 11:25 PM,

' Wrote:That's not because our stuff is good but because of our RP.

True.
Anyone who has ever flown a titan with 4.00 600m's guns knows this:)

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Dane Summers · 01-14-2012, 05:32 AM,

' Wrote:A Corsair asks first and kills if he doesn't get to put some food in his baby's mouth while the SCRA kills for sport (or because they don't like the corsairs). You really don't see anything wrong there?

The problem being - you demand and then take by force from non-combatants, because you feel your society is more deserving, and are convinced of that fact. If you met a freighter captain barely making ends meet, no doubt his struggling doesn't mean a damn to you - and widowing his wife and orphaning his kids would make a corsair laugh. So yeah, i see a problem with that.

As for the SCRA - the point of our RP is that while we believe our goals are noble, we go about it in twisted ways. It's unfortunate, but it reinforces that there is no good guys in sirius - and in war, no side is just, because war makes monsters of everyone.

As for "killing for sport" - that sounds like your speaking from a corsair perspective again. Were a military at war with military targets. That includes the corsairs, who are, in essence, a military\warrior society.

We do not, and will not shoot people who aren't military targets.

' Wrote:Dane, just because you didn't understand me the first time I'll say it again: we don't want to rule anything and we never "invaded" anything, it's the other way around. SCRA wants to rule a Communist Sirius and SCRA is running all over the place killing people. All we want is a normal society, economy and life. We have been deprived from all the luxuries of the other houses, like food, water, technology and stuff like that and we're fighting for our people, all of them.

I'll admit looking at things from rose-tinted faction glasses, but only if you will.
The corsairs may have begun as a nation of starving orphans - but thats not what they are now - they are brutal, selfish, racist warrior society, completely unconcerned with anyone but themselves.
If given the option of ruling Rheinland, I have no doubt they would do so, only because they would see themselves as better rulers then the inherent rheinland government - at which point Stuttgart would have the majority of its food sent to crete, and the rheinland working class given over to make corsair tools of war, so as to keep there gains.

So no, I dont buy the "poor abused starving orphans" act for a minute, and no matter how many times you try to sell that particular lame story, it doesn't get any more true.

' Wrote:The Corrupt Elders propaganda makes no sense since there are absolutely no indications of them stealing other people's stuff. In fact, both Sails and Benitez Elders are often seen in the field, fighting and pirating for their nation while they could be getting fat in the Council Chambers.

*shrug* most likely - not the argument im trying to make. I'm explaining why the corsairs are a self-centered, savage, racist society full of murderers and people who take by force.

As opposed to a government whose goal is to destroy the current accepted governments, and build anew in there own vision of what they feel is right - does that mean it will be? I doubt it.

Oh yeah, and as for the tech argument - I hear lots of corsairs saying they should have hogosha raba's.

Zelot · 01-14-2012, 05:49 AM,

inb4 Dusty Lens awesome post.

Dusty Lens · 01-14-2012, 06:10 AM,

[quote name='Dane Summers' date='Jan 13 2012, 08:32 PM' post='1658023']
As for the SCRA - the point of our RP is that while we believe our goals are noble, we go about it in twisted ways. It's unfortunate, but it reinforces that there is no good guys in sirius - and in war, no side is just, because war makes monsters of everyone.

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[quote name='Alvin Katz' date='Mar 13 2011, 06:35 AM' post='1347247']
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[quote name='Dane Summers' date='Jan 13 2012, 08:32 PM' post='1658023']As for "killing for sport" - that sounds like your speaking from a corsair perspective again. Were a military at war with military targets. That includes the corsairs, who are, in essence, a military\warrior society. [/quote]

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WHOOPS. Have to go, will carry on later.

DarthBindo · 01-14-2012, 07:00 AM,

' Wrote:Oh yeah, and as for the tech argument - I hear lots of corsairs saying they should have hogosha raba's.

Perhaps you should go read the Raba's infocard.
It's not a Hogosha ship.
It's the Corsair gunboat from 4.84 transformed into a transport.

' Wrote:The problem being - you demand and then take by force from non-combatants, because you feel your society is more deserving, and are convinced of that fact. If you met a freighter captain barely making ends meet, no doubt his struggling doesn't mean a damn to you - and widowing his wife and orphaning his kids would make a corsair laugh. So yeah, i see a problem with that.

As for the SCRA - the point of our RP is that while we believe our goals are noble, we go about it in twisted ways. It's unfortunate, but it reinforces that there is no good guys in sirius - and in war, no side is just, because war makes monsters of everyone.

As for "killing for sport" - that sounds like your speaking from a corsair perspective again. Were a military at war with military targets. That includes the corsairs, who are, in essence, a military\warrior society.

We do not, and will not shoot people who aren't military targets.
I'll admit looking at things from rose-tinted faction glasses, but only if you will.
The corsairs may have begun as a nation of starving orphans - but thats not what they are now - they are brutal, selfish, racist warrior society, completely unconcerned with anyone but themselves.
If given the option of ruling Rheinland, I have no doubt they would do so, only because they would see themselves as better rulers then the inherent rheinland government - at which point Stuttgart would have the majority of its food sent to crete, and the rheinland working class given over to make corsair tools of war, so as to keep there gains.

So no, I dont buy the "poor abused starving orphans" act for a minute, and no matter how many times you try to sell that particular lame story, it doesn't get any more true.
*shrug* most likely - not the argument im trying to make. I'm explaining why the corsairs are a self-centered, savage, racist society full of murderers and people who take by force.

As opposed to a government whose goal is to destroy the current accepted governments, and build anew in there own vision of what they feel is right - does that mean it will be? I doubt it.

The whole outsiders thing, the "racism", it's not that.
It's religious ancestor worship.
An outsider, someone not born and raised on Crete, within Cretian society, hearing the tales, someone who has not preformed the rite of passage into the Malvada cloud, someone who has not lived through the constant war and famine and battle, someone who's blood is not Ventru cannot understand, cannot appreciate the sacrifice, cannot appreciate the dire need, and is not worthy to have their descendants carry the Ventru name.
No Corsair would tell you that he believes a Rheinlander or an Outcast is any less proficient in battle, any less of a man, that he is beneath the Corsairs, is a beast, is not worthy of consideration or mercy, only that he is not Corsair, and never can be.
As for the rest of your post....
perhaps it is best responded to in a monologue.
........................................
Ezio stared out the port, carefully choosing his words, letting out the buried anger in his heart, his anger at the very fabric of the galaxy itself.
"Crete does not produce food. The few farmers that scratch the rock to eek out a living can barely feed themselves, much less a family, or a town.
Everything we eat, everything we drink and taste comes from a green world beyond, from Canaria, from Kusari, from Stuttgart and Cambridge, from worlds of plenty where weak-minded men who have never wanted, have never had to struggle, have never grown accustomed to the sounds of orbital bombardment, have never had to feel the gnawing pain of hunger for days on end frolick and study and farm in peace.
We do not have what we need to survive.
The only thing we truly have that they desire is illegal, reserved for the rich and the famous at exorbiant prices, bringing in but a trickle of credits.
It is not enough.
We have biodomes, technology bought, stolen, borrowed, given as gifts from allies, huge biodomes that produce food, farms such as no Corsair has ever seen before.
It is not enough, not nearly enough.
And there sits the trade lanes, opulent jewels of technology, ferrying rich transports full of luxurious goods, of food the likes of which no Corsair could imagine, and cargo and credits with which to barter.
And they laugh.
They call us scum, cowards, savages, barbarians, because we do not have enough, because our planet was not as blessed as their's were.

Do we not have as much a right to decent food as them?
Do we not have as much a right to life as they do?
Do they deserve all their have, given to them, not by their own cunning or skill, but by the beautiful emerald green planets upon which they tread?
Does our planet's lack truly doom us to die slowly over the ages, starving on a grey red rock underneath a bloated red sun that boils our cells as much as it's heat keeps us alive, a dying culture of a dying people in a dying system?
No, Dane, it does not.
And yet what we do have are metals, and skill, and strength, and a burning will to do what we must, a fiery drive to do whatever it takes to survive.
We have ships with which to fight, men with which to pirate, weapons with which to kill.
And we will survive, Dane.
No matter the cost to our souls, to our minds, to our bodies, we are Corsairs, and the sacrifice of the Ventru runs deep, ever present in our very blood.
It would be the deepest honour to give as much as they, of soul and mind and body.
So we pirate.
We take what we need.
And God can take the rest."

gone four years, first day back: Zoners still getting shot in Theta :|

Huhuh · 01-14-2012, 07:06 AM,

' Wrote:inb4 Dusty Lens awesome post.

Act like an admin or stop pretending to be one.

Dane Summers · 01-14-2012, 07:17 AM,

' Wrote:As for the SCRA - the point of our RP is that while we believe our goals are noble, we go about it in twisted ways. It's unfortunate, but it reinforces that there is no good guys in sirius - and in war, no side is just, because war makes monsters of everyone.

Thanks for proving my point Dusty - I dont mind being critical of my own faction - no one is perfect.

But all I hear from the corsairs is one sided rainbow sunshine arguments about how they have no flaws, and how its always someone else's fault.

ITT "rose tinted glasses discussion"

**jammi** · 01-14-2012, 07:29 AM,

To be honest, the Council of Elders isn't corrupt - it's the purest that the particular form of government that runs Crete is going to get. On the other hand, it his a horrible oligarchy. That's what you should be protesting about inRP, really.

Overall, looking at the SCRA's RP past and present, I'd say the SCRA ranks considerably worse than the Corsairs on the evil scale, though.

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DarthBindo · 01-14-2012, 07:38 AM,

' Wrote:Thanks for proving my point Dusty - I dont mind being critical of my own faction - no one is perfect.

But all I hear from the corsairs is one sided rainbow sunshine arguments about how they have no flaws, and how its always someone else's fault.

ITT "rose tinted glasses discussion"

The Corsairs do not fit into the modern Western definitions of Good vs. Evil.
They are a story in the classical tradition of a greek tragedy.

gone four years, first day back: Zoners still getting shot in Theta :|

Dane Summers · 01-14-2012, 07:52 AM,

btw Bindo, I missed the massive addition to your last post - sorry, I wouldve responded to it - didnt mean to diminish it any way by missing it (bow)

In any case - I can give you both my inrp and oorp appraisal of the Coalition and the SCRA - Do I consider them evil? No more so then any of the other houses in Sirius - every house is corrupt, whether by corporate ownership of the government, harsh restrictive sexist class systems, oppressive monarchies with no human rights, and pseudo-religious theocratic godheads.

And lets not forget fanatic imperialistic dictatorship.

Add to that we have a nation built on slavery and drugs.

And a nation built on taking from the weak.

Then you have the Coalition - a nation whose is built on a legacy of imperialism, murder, and brutal conquest - enough so that Sirius is built on those who survived there war of terror.

The Coalition that exists NOW is one that, for starters, isnt communist (which most people dont understand) - is a government built on the ideals of social cooperation for a better economy - its military is one that is brutal, uncompromising, and, lets be honest, pretty harsh. Evil? yes, but war is inherently evil - no one is a saint in war.

What makes the Corsairs the good guys in sirius, when no one is?

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