' Wrote:Fletcher, we can't foresee the future and create such scenarios but two things are clear for sure:
Bretonia will fight and vanish or fight and prevails.
Which one of these two possibilities will become truth we are yet to find out...
Or Team Liberty will come and save the day, since they are the only military force in sirius, which would be strong enough to be a thread to the Gallic Royal Navy.
EDIT: By fighting over an area like the one mentioned, the GRN would start suffering under guerilla warfare rather quick.
The only reason why bretonian fleets are underpowered now is that they were never upgraded due to the peacefull circumstances Bretonia had with every Houses. Bretonia never had "Nomad wars" like Rheinland and Liberty. It was never infested like Kusari and never threatened with destruction until now.
The interesting thing is that in the Kusari War, Bretonia was not prepared and yet their fleets proved to be strong enough to hold the Kusari invasion for so long which prevented its destruction.
Gallia was building hundreds of battleships and thousands of smaller capital ships for years, slowly preparing for future invasion and conquest with one condition: Total annihilation with no shortage of reinforcements. That is why it's a threat not only to Bretonia but to all other Houses and small organisations. If Gallia is coming to Sirius with direct declaration of war to a House, that means they dont need resources, trading or allies, all they want is to increase their borders and conquer entire Sirius.
In short Bretonia is just not ready for what is about to happen. But Gallia would have a serious problems coming to Edinburgh if it was well defended and protected with military instalations and mine fields, but who would suggest this little jump hole over there could bring 150 battleships one day...mistakes which will never be forgotten if Bretonia ever survives.
' Wrote:Nomads notice Gallia is a bigger thread.
Right now Gallia is not a threat for the nomads and it will never be. If they dare to threaten the nomads well .. you know what happened with Sol.
One thing bugs me, if Gallia has all these resources, how come their weren't found in the general settlement of Sirius? I mean, in the House infocards, you can see it was all preplanned to a point.
Liberty for trade opportunities, i.e center of sirius
Bretonia for mineral resources
Kusari for food resources
Rheinland, chose resources for the necessity.
Gallia, how did they get to prime location post evacuation of Sol? I mean really! How did they get the sector of space that is not only most habitable, but full of resources? How did four other research teams miss that? On one hand I can see that with an extra month or two more date could be processed for best settlement, but in a war of annihilation? I could argue weapons are the more needed.
A very good point as to why Bretonia seems underpowered in a lore sense, bit in the dev's defence wouldn't Bretonia seeing tension on the border invest in newer and deadlier ships? By a small comparison i call on the Cold War.
' Wrote:wouldn't Bretonia seeing tension on the border invest in newer and deadlier ships? By a small comparison i call on the Cold War.
That will definetly happen if Bretonia survives. As I said above, the mistakes from the past will serve as an example to entire Bretonia of what can happen if you are not prepared for war. When the war with Kusari started, bretonian engineers created the paladin, an example of a ship met to counter the enemy. Bretonia had resources since Kusari was their first real enemy.
The problem now is that Bretonia have been in war stance for too long and its resources are quickly diminishing. You know what happens in such situations if you ever played a strategic-iconomical games like Anno, you close all possible NOT necessary industrial buildings in order to make money and necessary products with one orientation: achieving war victory.
So Bretonia can't research new ships to counter Gallia.A lot time would be necessary to research, build, test and keep resources stable. Bretonia have no time for that right now. All they can do is arm the population like they are doing right now in RP (20 000 civilian fighters/bombers).
You forget, Gallia forces are fresh and don't know defeat, while Bretonian forces morale would be lower than their new enemies. Not only that, the fresh manpower pool completely dominates Bretonia and likely Kusari combined. Never underestimate new units filled with propaganda vs experienced but low numbered units.
Another point is that Bretonia has no time to research a unit to counter the Gallia Navy considering they have little to no intelligence about them. In Bretonian defence regarding Kusari, they've been spying on each other for years.
' Wrote:Another point is that Bretonia has no time to research a unit to counter the Gallia Navy considering they have little to no intelligence about them. In Bretonian defence regarding Kusari, they've been spying on each other for years.
You are right, Gallia was sending drones to scout the entire sirius and some of them made it even to omicrons. They are more prepared than any other House ever starting a war but they lack knowledge and experience of what means Real War. That is their only weakness preventing Gallia to be the new dominating House of Sirius.
As for the numbers, they are factor but not a constant formula which means one the battlefield numbers are not always the victory condition.
As for the intelligence, Bretonia is already fighting Gallia for months (in RP) and are very well informed about what ships the invaders are using. But ofcourse they can't predict what possible new ship can come out from gallic's sleeve.
Personally, I don't think Gallia will take New London unless a large subversive movement appears in Bretonia, advocating surrender to the king. This is not because Gallia is unable to militarily destroy whatever defenses Bretonia alone can muster around New London, but because of the type of war that Gallia would be forced to wage if their sole goal was to remove the Bretonian government from New London. Bretonia has already shown its incredible ability to fortify planetary space, both during the siege of Leeds and the laying of the minefield around Harris. By forcing Gallia to use the invasion on New London as the main determinant in deciding where to station their reserve forces, Bretonia gains the advantage of forcing Gallia into a single path of war, and not allowing them to exercise the incredible maneuverability that their advanced technology allows them. This means that Bretonia can afford to draw resources away from other parts of its territory and fortify their position around New London. This gives the BAF three distinct advantages that they wouldn't have otherwise;
Firstly, they would have the home ground advantage, which one should not underestimate. They are fighting in the system that their civilization has grown up in for almost 800 years, while Gallia is forces to rely on inaccurate intelligence supplied to them by the Junkers over the past, and forced to conduct rapid surveys of their own while in hostile territory if they want to get a feel for the lay of the land. While on home turf, Bretonia doesn't risk a debacle similar to the Tau war, in which they were quickly overrun by the Kusari because they attempted to fight a traditional style of war against a technologically superior enemy in a hostile foreign environment.
Secondly, a fortified defense fits in much more closely with the Bretonian style of combat than the 'move/countermove' game they were playing with the Kusari in the Taus. From my perspective, judging by the style and stats of Bretonian ships, and bits of vanilla lore here and there, Bretonia is much better off defending a singular planetary body than they are at defending an open space instillation. Bretonian ships are slow and well armored, and more suited to bait-and-lure maneuvers than to head on assaults. Bretonia has also shown its incredible ability to defend a fortified planet during the Tau War, in which Harris was able to beat off enough of the Kusari forces to convince the KNF that taking the planet was not worth the cost. Also, by bringing the warfront to the center of its industrial heart, Bretonia will be able to almost instantaneously reinforce its forces, displaying the true might of Bretonia's legendary industrial productivity.
Thirdly, and perhaps most importantly, a situation in which New London came under direct attack would be one of the largest morale boosts the country could receive. Recruitment would skyrocket, expatriates would swarm in from all over Sirius, and soldiers would be more motivated to fight and die for the planet that embodies their whole nation. What's more, a siege of New London would be the first time in the history of Sirius in which a fully populated house capital came under attack. The situation on Leeds which lead to the refugee exodus was met with somewhat impartial gestures by both Rheinland and Liberty, mostly due to the fact that the evacuation of Leeds was such a drawn out process and most people didn't believe that Kusari would actually attempt to invade the planet. However, if Gallia attempted to attack New London, the eyes of Sirius would be watching as, for the first time, a civilized planet with a huge civilian population came under direct threat of annihilation. The outpouring of sympathy for Bretonia from all over Sirius would be potentially huge, and it could potentially draw allies into the conflict on the side of Bretonia that would otherwise consider the war 'none of their business.'
In the end, these advantages would most likely not be enough to defeat and turn back a full-on Gallic advance on New London. They would, however, raise the stakes of the conflict significantly, turning it into a Total Destruction Scenario. Essentially, with the Bretonian forces bolstered, the only way that Gallia would gain control of New London would be if they pried the smoldering, lifeless husk of a planet from the cold dead hands of the Queen. This would be counter-intuitive to Gallia's goal, which is to keep as much of Bretonia's infrastructure and natural resources in-tact, so they can arrange for their extraction and export back to Gallia to feed their incredibly expensive war machine. There is the possibility that if Gallia wanted to capture New London in-tact, they could choose to surround the planet and attack the New London system from multiple fronts, thereby preying on Bretonia's weakness of not being able to quickly reorganize their defense structure. However, this would force them to split their spearhead forces into multiple groups, and spread their reserve forces desperately thin over the occupied territory of Leeds. Also, if Gallia really wanted to effectively isolate New London, they would have to locate their forces in the system of Dublin, and possibly even as far west as central Manchester, bringing the Mollys into the war in full force against Gallia, and giving Liberty the opportunity to bring themselves into the conflict, moving in to Manchester to launch a preemptive strike against Gallia in preparation for the Royal's stated plans to one day invade Liberty. This situation would bog down the Gallic navy considerably, removing their main advantage of being able to launch massive frontal assaults with a high level of maneuverability within their force structure. When they are no longer able to quickly steamroll a territory, as they did so in the Taus, the Gallics will be force to fight a type of war that they are not at all used to, and potentially open themselves up to Bretonia's infamous interdiction efforts.
Despite the points I have outlined, I doubt that Bretonia will be able to drive back the Gallic advance before it reaches New London, unless all of Sirius decides to unite behind the Bretonian cause. More likely, I believe that Gallia will attempt to isolate Bretonia politically from both Kusari and Rheinland, as well as bypass New London entirely, and instead steamroll through Dublin, possibly destroying the Mollys in the process (personally, I think the buggers will survive and go on to be a pain in King Charles' arse for quite some time to come,) thus opening up Dublin to economic exploitation, as well as achieving the goal of creating a point of meeting between the Royals and the Corsairs. By securing a link between Gallic and Corsair forces, Gallia is not only able to potentially ally their forces with the Corsairs, gaining a powerful ally in their war against Bretonia, but also make progress towards their goal of reaching Omicron Gamma and launching their planned expedition to Old Sol. From that point, the Gallic forces are in a much favorable position to surround New London without meddlesome foreign interference, and pave the way to a potential invasion of Liberty.
But then again, who knows? In Sirius, anything can happen. We fly giant spaceships in a war against purple space octopi, for Christ sakes. Who knows what the future holds'¦
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