' Wrote:As for the argument the lf's are impossible to destroy.
Even not so good PvPer is unkillable in such a ship. If you can fly ships a bit you are immortal unless lucky bs/cruiser missile spam/lucky solaris spam.
However about the ID and the open requirement -I support with my both hands.
(10-09-2013, 10:51 AM)Knjaz Wrote: Official faction players that are often accused of elitism, never deploy them and have those weird, immersion killing "fair fight/dueling" suicidal hobbies. (yes, i've seen enough of those lolduels, where house military with overwhelming force on the field willingly loses a pilot in a duel. ffs.)
Granted. Its a nice ship.. but so is the junker bulldog. So is the recycler whitch is just a hard to kill lump. in some situations i wished i HAD a bulldog instead of a voidrunner. been killed less in them.
HuggieSunrise Wrote:The nomads zoi is Sirius wide. I fear if we make concessions / are forced to a zoi it will just avalanche into further retardation's and limiting.
Can you explain what you mean with "retardation"? It may make you more convincing. Like... as if you really had any arguments to support your refusal.
HuggieSunrise Wrote:As for the argument the lf's are impossible to destroy.
I die in them.. all the time. all of us die in them.. all the time. Yes they are fast yes they are manuverable. But they arent invincible. i know better. you should as well.
You die easily in them from stupid mistakes. Or if you are physically impaired in some way, either by your hands or by your eyes.
If you don't make stupid mistakes, and neither of those apply, you don't die.
' Wrote:Can you explain what you mean with "retardation"? It may make you more convincing. Like... as if you really had any arguments to support your refusal.
If you say "Nomads need to stay in the Omicrons (minus Gamma)," then what you're saying is "no matter how empty the Omicrons are and how full other parts of Sirius are, the Nomads need to sit in the Omicrons." It's the same problems factions like the GMG and Mollys ran into in the past. With the GMG, they were stuck in Sigma 13/19 for the most part, and they nearly died off once traders stopped flowing through from the .84 diamond/niobium route. With the Mollys, it's been a recurring theme that any Molly faction that limited itself to mainly Dublin failed.
Some factions have to have a set ZOI, but you need to have that ZOI as wide as possible to promote interest in the players. I don't believe Huggie is talking about Nomad cap groups attacking all of the house capitols here, but I believe he's saying Morphs should be able to wander and seek RP in order to grow, rather than sit around the Omicrons and kick their feet, waiting for the Order to come and shoot them up.
' Wrote:If you say "Nomads need to stay in the Omicrons (minus Gamma)," then what you're saying is "no matter how empty the Omicrons are and how full other parts of Sirius are, the Nomads need to sit in the Omicrons." It's the same problems factions like the GMG and Mollys ran into in the past. With the GMG, they were stuck in Sigma 13/19 for the most part, and they nearly died off once traders stopped flowing through from the .84 diamond/niobium route. With the Mollys, it's been a recurring theme that any Molly faction that limited itself to mainly Dublin failed.
Some factions have to have a set ZOI, but you need to have that ZOI as wide as possible to promote interest in the players. I don't believe Huggie is talking about Nomad cap groups attacking all of the house capitols here, but I believe he's saying Morphs should be able to wander and seek RP in order to grow, rather than sit around the Omicrons and kick their feet, waiting for the Order to come and shoot them up.
Hey, you humans are the invaders here, Sirius is ***Home ours*** first.
Caps attacking house capital systems ... Zapp, you been reading our skype chat? <Shhh, it's supposed to be a secret that we're plotting to 'Destroy all Humans' ... >
' Wrote:Can you explain what you mean with "retardation"? It may make you more convincing. Like... as if you really had any arguments to support your refusal.
You die easily in them from stupid mistakes. Or if you are physically impaired in some way, either by your hands or by your eyes.
If you don't make stupid mistakes, and neither of those apply, you don't die.
Zois are retardation in general. Limiting public noms would kill the idea before its started.. unlimiting public noms for all fighter craft.. or eventually all ships will kill the faction rp.
lets face it.. elements of this community i have specifically weeded out of the former membership and for the foreseeable future has made us a better faction. i get more kudos then complaints about it opening the doors back open to the ganking, metagaming, retarded elements is a mistake.
A.I. id is chief example of this. the admins mishandling and later little to no accountability about the whole fiasco makes me not trust anyone but ourselves with our business. I would respect the admin team more if they joined up did the rp and then actually understood our point of view before lending creed to the idea of busting down or doors walls and windows.
Without a significant resource to exploit and bring traffic to said zoi a limited zoi is a death sentence to any factions activity or the usefulness of any indy for said faction. Dublin.. whenever it turns into a boom town brings the mollies gians and bretonia in general back from the brink.. nerfed mining killed it.
All these wonderful reactionary changes that the admins/devs/players come up with are retardation their all concepts and ideas you come up with in the moment. its more apparent that the entire system requires an overhual and major changes. please see my post in page two of dels offical factions thread for what i think disco should be doing.
A terrible 6+ year legacy of reacting to 100 different types of mosquito bites, passing rules and making changes like heavier clothes, bigger fly swatters, and stronger repellent sprays when more permanent and better thought out corrective measures like going inside where the damn things cant bite you. Disco is going to have people flailing around like maniacs covered in mud and lighting farts before we see an actual policy or rule change that has fixed -anything-
As for the fighter being unkillable.
Thats your opinion you have a right to it my experience shows that if you think something strong enough its true for you. I will not deprive you of your self made disadvantage. We will use it to our maximum ability. thank you for being terrified of us. we appreciate it.
I'm with Huggie. Totally.
And, LFs aren't undestructible. They may be hard to hit, but when they are hit, they take a LOT of damage. Sacrifice armor, give agility.
This "Give us VHF as LF are too hard to kill" argument is the complete oposite of the arguments that you, PvP folks, give when you want bigger ships.
' Wrote:Hey, you humans are the invaders here, Sirius is ***Home ours*** first.
Caps attacking house capital systems ... Zapp, you been reading our skype chat? <Shhh, it's supposed to be a secret that we're plotting to 'Destroy all Humans' ... >
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