' Wrote:So you're telling me Rheinland (as a whole economy, all companies included) were paying them less money then they were getting from them in form of insurance?
Since when IC became a charity organization?
' Wrote:Look at my post and tell me if I am telling that.
' Wrote:And the losses Rheinland suffers which are no longer covered by insurance, hm?
Rheinland is "suffering losses" in one way or another. Insurance cost money as well. Just, through IC insurance services, these losses are "spread" among all insured parties.
Now, the amount of cash IC is getting from Rheinland cannot be lower then the insurance they're paying out. Because one of main goals of this business, like in many others, is to gain profit. There's a reason why insurance companies so depend on the large amount of analysis of their potential expenditures due to various circumstances, that said insurance covers.
This is why IC was still getting more money out of Rheinland then it was paying back. No matter what - unless it's a charity organisation, as I said.
At same moment, I guess it is possible to take over IC insurance business in Rheinland.
The economic system left to us by Digital Anvil is very, veery restricted (and extremely simplified) - it's an adaptation to a 2003 game that takes few days to complete main campaign. it's an adaptation to universe where companies, once created, almost never cease to exist, where companies last for centuries, where companies, once they gain certain part of the market are hardly going to lose it, where planets are the size of battlship, and so on.
It was just put there to add to environment, without putting too much thinking into it.
Liberty - America - financial business - k'ay, lets give em uber insurance company.
Kusari - Japan - high tech stuff, clan system - ok, lets make Kishiro and Samura.
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Knjaz, you're vastly underestimating the perilous situation Rheinland's economy is in, even before the IC fiasco. If you read the event news articles, you'll also see IC's shipping fleet withdrawing isn't what's causing the problems.
The problems are derived from the looming threat of financial services being withdrawn, which would cripple the house. That's loans as well as insurance. Currently the price adjustments are being caused by investor uncertainty on the stock markets and panic buying of goods.
Not to mention the fact that this situation was written in by the devs, specifically because there's a lore news article that details what would happen based specifically on this particular scenario. Looking at it that way, your 'nope' doesn't really work.
' Wrote:Knjaz, you're vastly underestimating the perilous situation Rheinland's economy is in, even before the IC fiasco. If you read the event news articles, you'll also see IC's shipping fleet withdrawing isn't what's causing the problems.
The problems are derived from the looming threat of financial services being withdrawn, which would cripple the house. That's loans as well as insurance. Currently the price adjustments are being caused by investor uncertainty on the stock markets and panic buying of goods.
Not to mention the fact that this situation was written in by the devs, specifically because there's a lore news article that details what would happen based specifically on this particular scenario. Looking at it that way, your 'nope' doesn't really work.
Well, first of all - there's common sense/logic, and there's storyline. Latter comes first, former comes latter. There're multiple ways for story-writers to get Rheinland out of it, without using Deus Ex Machina.
Country, that consists of multiple star systems, definitely has access to all materials it might require, or their substitution. This, or lack of proper technologies, may result in a lower quality of certain goods , but it IS absolutely possible to create a closed cycle economy in a "market" of such scale. Especially with Rheinland being traditional exporter of many basic resources, and is relying on heavy industry and refining.
What does that mean? that means, that in times of big war like the one with liberty, or other emergencies, there's always a possibility to put economy on war tracks, possibly even completely removing currency and financial sphere out of it. Hell, even USSR was capable of going into this "mode" for quite a long period of time - and that was a mere part of a small planet. No more then 1/6 of it.
Stock market, debts and many other things do not mean anything when it comes down to survival of the country. Resource (material, not financial) base and production capabilities is what matters.
Money are just means, not the end in itself.
Well, I'm not saying Rheinland should go into full mobilization, I'm just showing one of many possibilities for Rheinland to survive.
But imho, as practice (at least Russian one) shows, kickin' out a foreign dominant company from a vital sphere of the market or severely restricting it - when or if it is required, is a good thing to do for domestic economy, in the end (just, it's important not to kill competition). There's a reason why economic wars happen from time to time, and barriers being established, despite all the talking about teh free market and liberal economy. (especially a hundred + years ago)
So Rheinland would do fine, more or less.
I am not sure why are discussing financial consequences for IC when it has funds to fund system developments (Okinawa, remember). Also, don't forget that Rheinland probably pays insurance costs in advance, so IC already has part of Rheinland's economy in its pockets. IC as shipping - meh, I don't even count that to have any effect on any sides if we take into account only official faction, which rarely visits Rheinland. And if it does, sometimes smuggles stuff to Liberty. )))
EDIT: I believe that both sides would suffer small short-time loses, but both would suffer long-term loses. Rheinland would be more devastated in long term if compared to IC, imho.
' Wrote:EDIT: I believe that both sides would suffer small short-time loses, but both would suffer long-term loses. Rheinland would be more devastated in long term if compared to IC, imho.
Actually, it's vice versa. Rheinland can suffer losses from shock in the economy/market, but it's economy will benefit in the long-term, when it's own companies will take IC's share of the market.
Only TLs and JGs are a problem, and are Liberty's Absolute Weapon, impossible to Copy, Reverse-Engineer and Steal.
Super Heroic or just unhuman scientiests and maintenance crews that are impossible to bribe (even with billions), intimidate, blackmail (even through the worst things a human mind can come up with), interrogate (even with tortures or advanced ways of affecting human consciousness), and also immune to any other ways of influence and information extracting. FOR CENTURIES
As for IC, it looses in both short and long terms.
First off, Rheinland players in this thread, you're all way too personally invested in this. If your personal feelings drive this, it won't be fun for anyone. Separating you from your character is important both for fun and good rp.
Otherwise:
Rheinlands mercantile economy: can't believe you missed this! Those who forget history etc. H-Fuel! Rheinland can't cut everyone off without forgoing space travel. And running that inefficient kruger station isn't going to solve it. Not enough product by a long shot, and government subsidies won't mean squat in a closed economy.
LWB: saying this as an LWB since 2009, they will never accept anything like this, both for inrp and oorp reasons. The LWB exist because of Rheinland's shotsighted dumbness, they'd be pretty wary of another dose.
Also those ALG donations...haven't seen those for a while. They get hit the same as anyone atm afaik.
Also the LWB is like what, 500 people?:D
Fyi most insurance companies irl work at extremely low profit margins. You won't be better off without it, trust me.
Material resources: rheinland's bled dry, no? Enjoy the unsustainable fuel expenses of militarizing 7 and 11.
Tl;dr please don't play this as something that rheinland 'must' win, it will suck for everyone. Be objective, rational, realistic, and no powerplay (some rhienland govt guys would totally take bribes, this is life)
' Wrote:Only TLs and JGs are a problem, and are Liberty's Absolute Weapon, impossible to Copy, Reverse-Engineer and Steal.
Super Heroic or just unhuman scientiests and maintenance crews that are impossible to bribe (even with billions), intimidate, interrogate (even with tortures or advanced ways of affecting human consciousness), blackmail (even through the worst things a human mind can come up with), and also immune to any other ways of influence and information extracting.
Ignore the powerplay, let's do reverse engineering. :mellow:
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