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Continuation of discussion about IC-Rheinland conflict
Offline Slavik
04-20-2012, 06:59 PM,
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West, can Samura sustain 2 houses at the same time with their current production or atleast in short term? I agree with you that samura would love to kick synthfoods out and will most likely be capable in the future.

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Offline West
04-20-2012, 07:07 PM,
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Right now, sustain for a long period of time, nope they can't.
For a short period, yes they do. And once there is no competitor(like if synth gonna bail from rhein) for a short period of time they could... atleast to not make starve majority of population... and in few months(3-4) their production gonna skyrock.... since alien organisms already integrated on Junyo. And integrating into Kyushu.

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Offline Nikita
04-20-2012, 07:54 PM,
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So here we go.
(sorry for my bad english,i hope you will understand me)
If interspace commerce leaving Rheinland - this is mean that IC loosing big market in Rheinland,this is mean they are loosing work places,this is mean their loosing their contracts,and their stocks market will go down. This is mean death for Liberty economic. Because liberty have no resources for supply their fleet,people and factories.
Have liberty h-fuel? - no.
have liberty minerals? - already no.all fields by story(original) are emtpy,
Have liberty something important for other houses(like h-fuel monopoly in GM or minerals in Rheinland)? - no.
Only 1 way to survive liberty in sirius is to get monopoly in some services or do war with houses for for creating non-stable econimics for other houses,where they can get better prices when house is under attack,and ecenomics of enemy house is falling down.
If IC go out from Rheinland - this is will be big chance for Rheinland economic to upraise.
Because:
In Rheinland many unemployed,this is big problem for Rheinland. Remeber about RH? - so if IC and Synth will run from country this is will give new work place for unemployed. Like food making,transit cargo,selling foods to other houses.And this situation can make LWB quasi-leagal,Like Junkers.Because they fight against Synth,who takes Rheinland economics in the grip.
All IC contracts with cargotransit will come to Repex,if repex have not enough power for transit this goods - Repex asking to shipyards build more ships for their needs.And this is mean new worker places in country.This is mean new mining operations,because smelter need metal for building ships. And economic is again working. This is what Rheinland need.
Many faction can legalised,because their enemy was not Rheinland,their enemy was Liberty,who takes monopoly on work in Rheinland,thats why Rheinland has so big unemployed.If Rheinland taking back their work - all Rheinlanders can have their work again.Some factions like LWB,Unioners maybe even RH,but i think they already have target - replace gov of Rheinland,and will not work with Rhein gov and will stay illegal. But LWB CAN.and Unioners,because Alster shipyards need MANY workers for many contracts from Repex for building ships for their needs.And Repex will have money,because needs of companies will be concentrated only on them,because nobody can help with this in Rheinland.Repex will have contracts(debt from) with companies who will wait for goods from Rheinland.THats all.All Rheinland economic will work again,from zero.
But Liberty will have some troubles with this...they will left monopoly and loose their capitals(money)...if IC loose monopoly(give it to to Rheinland),many houses will stop trading with IC,beuaseIC will not have some types of goods,what they had before.So houses must trade straight with Rheinland,this is mean all money will go Rheinland. All stock of IC will fall,because IC dont need anymore for other houses...
and...later i will write more...

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Offline DarthBindo
04-20-2012, 07:55 PM,
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' Wrote:Right now, sustain for a long period of time, nope they can't.
For a short period, yes they do. And once there is no competitor(like if synth gonna bail from rhein) for a short period of time they could... atleast to not make starve majority of population... and in few months(3-4) their production gonna skyrock.... since alien organisms already integrated on Junyo. And integrating into Kyushu.
With a sudden increase (especially such a ridiculously large increase as taking on all of Rheinland's food supply), it's not an issue of production, but of stockpiling.
The idea that Samura has enough food (fresh food too, since i believe they dont produce crap like synthpaste) stockpiled to fulfill all of Rheinland's needs for any longer than a week or two is ludicrous.
Could production be ramped up quickly? Yes.
Most companies can dramatically increase production quite easily, but here's the thing.
They don't, beacuse there's no successful business venture in the world that has current excess capacity, beacuse excess capacity is wasted effort.
If a plant produces twice the product that gets bought in a month, they don't build a warehouse to store all the extra product in, they switch to half-hours or lay off half their workers.
You've got it almost completely backwards. Samura, with a concerted effort and the demand and credits from Rheinland to do so, could definitely expand production enough to cover two houses indefinitely.
The long-term is not the issue, but rather the short term, before Samura can put into place the extra facilities, yet after Synth has already torched everything.

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Offline Snak5
04-20-2012, 07:56 PM,
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IC is not primarly tradign faction. It is investment and insurancing, god damn it. Leave trading aside. It means practically nothing inRP wise.

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Offline Luka
04-20-2012, 08:00 PM, (This post was last modified: 04-20-2012, 08:01 PM by Luka.)
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Um....I'm kinda disinformed here, where is all the IC getting out of rheindland stuff?

But as Rheindland hater anyways, I think this could screw them, since Bonn's practically a trade hub (I think, here's stuff that I think isn't around), messing with the IC there would be pretty bad, stuff from other houses goes there, it could go somewhere else though.... and amke unlawfuls that want a nicer place for pirating happy:laugh:

Though, I'm pretty sure lawfuls will just become even more proud and haughty

....And now mentioning Samura, that's just another try at raising activity in Kusari, possibly bundies since their main entrance's from the Taus, and that makes unlawfuls even more happy.
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Offline DarthBindo
04-20-2012, 08:08 PM,
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' Wrote:In Rheinland many unemployed,this is big problem for Rheinland. Remeber about RH? - so if IC and Synth will run from country this is will give new work place for unemployed. Like food making,transit cargo,selling foods to other houses.And this situation can make LWB quasi-leagal,Like Junkers.Because they fight against Synth,who takes Rheinland economics in the grip.
All IC contracts with cargotransit will come to Repex,if repex have not enough power for transit this goods - Repex asking to shipyards build more ships for their needs.And this is mean new worker places in country.This is mean new mining operations,because smelter need metal for building ships. And economic is again working. This is what Rheinland need.
Interspace Commerce hires Rheinlanders in Rheinland.
And Bretonians in Bretonia.
your argument, it is invalid.

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Offline West
04-20-2012, 08:18 PM, (This post was last modified: 04-20-2012, 08:21 PM by West.)
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' Wrote:With a sudden increase (especially such a ridiculously large increase as taking on all of Rheinland's food supply), it's not an issue of production, but of stockpiling.
The idea that Samura has enough food (fresh food too, since i believe they dont produce crap like synthpaste) stockpiled to fulfill all of Rheinland's needs for any longer than a week or two is ludicrous.
Could production be ramped up quickly? Yes.
Most companies can dramatically increase production quite easily, but here's the thing.
They don't, beacuse there's no successful business venture in the world that has current excess capacity, beacuse excess capacity is wasted effort.
If a plant produces twice the product that gets bought in a month, they don't build a warehouse to store all the extra product in, they switch to half-hours or lay off half their workers.
You've got it almost completely backwards. Samura, with a concerted effort and the demand and credits from Rheinland to do so, could definitely expand production enough to cover two houses indefinitely.
The long-term is not the issue, but rather the short term, before Samura can put into place the extra facilities, yet after Synth has already torched everything.

LOL you sure don't know what are you talking about. I mean about Samura.(sit on your IC)

They had production to cover whole house(Kusari) before synth came there.. and draw them off from market, right now they have even more planets and more production with alien researches, so they can easely cover 2 houses at once.. for a short period of time month or two... because they are driving synth from kusari too, meaning. If 0.6 of production right now goes to Kusari.. 0.4 can go to rhein... with taking control over food market in kusari.. they will use 0.8 of production in kusari.... leaving rhein with 0.2.

So I'm correct on this, they can cover for a short period of time, before their production kicks in with even more power for along term production.

Don't know well, do not interfere... see.. I'm not talknig about IC.. since I have no idea what they control in rhein.

Quote:....And now mentioning Samura, that's just another try at raising activity in Kusari, possibly bundies since their main entrance's from the Taus, and that makes unlawfuls even more happy.

LOL.. look at Samura| activity.. they are active as hell.

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Offline Snak5
04-20-2012, 08:20 PM,
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Bias all around. Jeez.

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Offline Slavik
04-20-2012, 08:25 PM,
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People also forget to take freemarket economy into perspective...

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