Del, we had a discussion on skype about the whole "where does everyone stand who has what" thing. This is a perfect example of what happens when everyone has NO idea what inRP recourse their faction has at its disposal.
Please, the admin team needs to make an official statement setting the bar and showing what strengths and weaknesses each faction has. If we are going to have a more fluid plot line, this is essential. Otherwise it will all devolve into the "bang, I shot you, you're dead." "No I'm not, you missed!" of children playing cops and robbers.
1. I said and will say it again, I'm not taking it personally, it's just a game. I want to explain my point of view on that conflict and possible plot of 4.87.
2. As a player and community member I enjoy this whole situation, because I think this place really needs more events.
3. It's just a game. "Total victory" is not an option nor goal, my or others. Goal is fun from gaming.
' Wrote:To them, it is all about winning, after all.
I can't win, nor can I loose. Do I need to decide for one side now?:wacko:
' Wrote:Woah wait a minute, how did I miss this? Re-opening a locked topic is not on folks. You know this, the last one was locked because it degenerated into IC| folks bitching about the [RM], the moment this does that again. I will lock this. If it get's re-done again the offending poster will be slapped.
True. Being member of both involved factions puts me into a dilemma.
I'd like to see more inRP talking about this situation, instead of such threads.
' Wrote:LOL you sure don't know what are you talking about. I mean about Samura.(sit on your IC)
LoL you sure don't understand business principles. Stick to games.
What Bindo said is correct. There is no way Samura currently has the means to feed all of Rheinland without a sizable ramp up in production (that is long term). The reason for this is simple - a corporation isn't going to produce 15 million tons of product X if they are only selling 3 million tons. They'll do exactly what Bindo said.
Samura has no reason to be producing enough food to supply both Kusari and Rheinland right now, so no they couldn't support Rheinland without cutting into the production that feeds Kusari. I'm not sure the Kishiro led government is going to allow Samura to force food rationing onto its own populace in order for Samura to make a quick buck.
Yes, in the long term Samura is a considerable threat to Synth should Rheinland turn to them.
Some of you sure don't pay attention to events in the real world, that is for darn sure. You notice all the chaos in the Euro countries that are having economic issues? Yea, that would happen in Rheinland if IC everything they had out of Rheinland. Rheinland would have a large civilian unrest problem. What would they do? Turn their police and military forces on their own? Maybe, but that would only compound their problems and flood the Hessians and company with fresh blood.
I'm not saying IC is going to get by unscathed - they will see a dip in profits and a damaged reputation with Rheinland's civilians. However, they stand to gain even more than they currently have if the current Rheinland government collapses and is replaced by a Hessian or Hessian sympathetic government. That, at least to a corporation like IC is well worth the short term pains.
IC is basically trying to get Rheinland to dig itself a deeper hole and further their dependence on IC and Rheinland, so far, is helping them out in that regard.
Re: Samura food: isn't samura LOSING market to synth foods in kusari, daily? Rather than gaining it like someone has stated in this thread? It is in vanilla, and if it's changed now that's imo a pretty wack move. All the Kusari youngsters love paste, and it was a part of the general 'waa why aren't things like they were in the past' vibe that they gave Kusari.
In general, synth paste is much cheaper, much more popular, and has way better infrastructure than any alternative.
This is exactly the sort of thing that requres what lobster asked for.
' Wrote:2) "IC will stop financing Rheinland lanes and gates maintentace costs!"
Rheinland already offered Ageira IC shipping laws and more, what will cause increased profits. Ageira like profits.
btw. in Sirius are also Junkers, Hackers and Gallia. They know something about lanes and gates too.
4) "IC will economicaly ruin Rheinland! Give us our cash back, whole cash now!"
There's already precedent in real world, Iceland 2008. But I'm not going to discuss RL politics here, I'm just saying there's precedent.
I just wanted to respond to these two points in your post, as these two are the main ones.
Interspace Commerce funds EVERYONE'S gate and lane construction/maintenance. Probably only Liberty right now could afford to bankroll itself in this regard. Needless to say, the actual maintenance is done by DSE, who get their parts from Ageira. Ageira does NOT go out and build gates and lanes, this is what DSE does, and ONLY DSE. Ageira doesn't have the necessary shipping or infrastructure in place to construct gates and lanes, or maintain them. They also do not trust anyone with their technology. Even DSE does not know how it really works, and they are given one time use keys when constructing lanes and gates. When parts break down, they don't actually fix individual parts, they just replace the entire areas or rings of a trade lane with new parts. This keeps Ageira both rolling in credits and their technological superiority secure.
At best, Ageira have a few specialist maintenance teams for fixing problems which may compromise their classified gate/lane tech. Thus, if Interspace pulled its financial services, the gate/lane network would unlikely to be able to be maintained, as Rheinland doesn't have the necessary credits to immediately pay the incredibly heightened costs that DSE would demand for working in uninsured conditions.
Interspace Commerce insures ALL lawful cargo in Sirius, irrespective of your House. If they were to pull this from Rheinland for example, then nobody else in Sirius, least of all Rheinland, could afford to insure Rheinland's shipping and losses would be catastrophic for Rheinland businesses. Not to mention that hardly anyone will buy goods that are uninsured, particularly with the dangers of space travel in the Freelancer universe. Think of them like the galaxy's banking system, which is effectively what they are.
This isn't against or for Rheinland in any way, I was merely pointing out the primary "power" that Interspace Commerce has at its disposal.
' Wrote:I just wanted to respond to these two points in your post, as these two are the main ones.
Interspace Commerce funds EVERYONE'S gate and lane construction/maintenance.
Interspace Commerce insures ALL lawful cargo in Sirius, irrespective of your House. If they were to pull this from Rheinland for example, then nobody else in Sirius, least of all Rheinland, could afford to insure Rheinland's shipping and losses would be catastrophic for Rheinland businesses. Not to mention that hardly anyone will buy goods that are uninsured, particularly with the dangers of space travel in the Freelancer universe. Think of them like the galaxy's banking system, which is effectively what they are.
Those two points are actually incorrect.
Samura/Kusari funded the Choguku gate construction, and Samura actually insures a small but significant part of the Kusari market. In the area of interstellar banking (and as a state run corporation controlling large portions of the inner Kusari financial markets), they are the only rival to Interspace's financial power in any regard, which means that, contrary to what some would think, I know quite a great deal about them and their lore.
Unfortunately, their sudden downfall from political power (upon which many of their monoplolizing business deals within Kusari depended) and the significant amount of capital put into Choguku has lessened their clout considerably; although in Sirius's current state they are still the only other group (barring the GMG) wih any significant amount of liquidity.
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' Wrote:Interspace Commerce funds EVERYONE'S gate and lane construction/maintenance.
Actualy, they dont. Now, in a roundabout way by loaning the Rheinland government money to pay its debts, they do. But as a fact of the matter, and one of the reaosn why rheinland has their massive debts, is the fact that both rheinland and kusari pay for their own lane maintenence.
Here is the infocard to support my stattment.
Quote:After the Rheinland-Kusari Embargo of 521, IC lost millions of credits as both Houses nationalized their Trade Lanes. The massive debts that those Houses had incurred were wiped away, and the Trade Lanes became theirs.
As a matter of fact, according to this infocard, Rheinland dosnt have any debt to IC.
XD
Oh well, a bit too late for that.
Quote:This system was the reason that IC became an insurer and not a lender. It was the loans that Rheinland and Kusari took from IC to finance these Border World Jump Gates and Trade Lanes that bankrupted the two houses. They defaulted on their loans to IC and embargoed Liberty to make their point. IC had to swallow the loss.
And finaly,
Quote:Thoroughly angry with having to wipe countless billions of credits of debt away almost overnight, after Kusari and Rheinland both nationalised their trade lanes and jump gates, Interspace Commerce has never been satisfied with the two hundred years of tolls it got in exchange, and it is for this chief reason that a good deal of animosity towards Rheinland and Kusari exists even today. As a result, Interspace Commerce often allows ships from the Bundschuh, Red Hessians and even the Unioners to dock and purchase supplies, and even going so far as to donate money to their causes or share information of cargo shipments with them.
This has angered the Rheinland government considerably, although as yet it has been completely impossible to prove. However, the Rheinland Military has recently stationed the Battleship Strausberg outside the station to keep an eye on Interspace's activities.
In lore, we don't ship anything to them. The aid IC gives the RH happens completly in the upper echelons of the company, at the point where one man can make oodles of money dissapear with a pen.
We're like the lane hackers in lore, in concerns to the RH.
We don't ship things to them, but since, thanks to the USI, we just happen to know every single shipment that happens in Sirius, we can tell them exactly when and where to hit.
The fact that you found two indie IC supplying a base tells you jack about the actual realationship between IC and the RH.
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