' Wrote:Re: Samura food: isn't samura LOSING market to synth foods in kusari, daily? Rather than gaining it like someone has stated in this thread? It is in vanilla, and if it's changed now that's imo a pretty wack move. All the Kusari youngsters love paste, and it was a part of the general 'waa why aren't things like they were in the past' vibe that they gave Kusari.
In general, synth paste is much cheaper, much more popular, and has way better infrastructure than any alternative.
This is exactly the sort of thing that requres what lobster asked for.
I don't think Samura actually was losing like the WVS was. The reason Synth moved into Kusari was related to the Chugoku Gate Project, which was really expensive and IC refused to cover. Paste is, however, very popular with the younger demographic, fitting in with the Kusari approach of "damn kids these days, back in MY day..." stuff. They've also gotten some planets since then.
That being said, I think the two would actually sell to different demographics enough that they would be able to sit side by side in most places.
' Wrote:I don't think Samura actually was losing like the WVS was. The reason Synth moved into Kusari was related to the Chugoku Gate Project, which was really expensive and IC refused to cover. Paste is, however, very popular with the younger demographic, fitting in with the Kusari approach of "damn kids these days, back in MY day..." stuff. They've also gotten some planets since then.
That being said, I think the two would actually sell to different demographics enough that they would be able to sit side by side in most places.
Refused to fund untill Battleship was moved there, afaik. Which was moved.
' Wrote:LoL you sure don't understand business principles. Stick to games.
What Bindo said is correct. There is no way Samura currently has the means to feed all of Rheinland without a sizable ramp up in production (that is long term). The reason for this is simple - a corporation isn't going to produce 15 million tons of product X if they are only selling 3 million tons. They'll do exactly what Bindo said.
Samura has no reason to be producing enough food to supply both Kusari and Rheinland right now, so no they couldn't support Rheinland without cutting into the production that feeds Kusari. I'm not sure the Kishiro led government is going to allow Samura to force food rationing onto its own populace in order for Samura to make a quick buck.
Yes, in the long term Samura is a considerable threat to Synth should Rheinland turn to them.
Yes, yes.. Samura don't produce..... REALLY? read through all of rumors on bases... they are producing much more that they had.. for the same cost = they have overcapacity for Kusari.
Also.. since synthpaste.... is paste.. Rhein can have some stockpile of it = more time for Samura to integrate. And Ku gov don't have power over samura corporation business.
' Wrote:Re: Samura food: isn't samura LOSING market to synth foods in kusari, daily? Rather than gaining it like someone has stated in this thread? It is in vanilla, and if it's changed now that's imo a pretty wack move. All the Kusari youngsters love paste, and it was a part of the general 'waa why aren't things like they were in the past' vibe that they gave Kusari.
In general, synth paste is much cheaper, much more popular, and has way better infrastructure than any alternative.
Read rumors on Kyushu and Junyo, Samura grabbing back what they had.
As for the matter - if IC pulls out of Rheinland it will lose money, and a lot. If the tides won't eventually be in their favor they will be the ones who will get harmed harder by it.
They will lose a whole market, while if Rheinland does manage to somehow recover I expect that the gap in the market IC left behind will be filled by someone, and with that big market, that someone would become an actual competitor to IC. On the long terms this could be IC's downfall, if the future don't play to their will.
However, IC funds huge parts of Rheinland's economy, if they pull out, with the war against Liberty and the expansion of Hessians, this could, to say simply, crush Rheinland's economy, leading to upraises in Rheinland and generally chaos. Even possibly a Hessian take-over. (Don't forget that Hessians are the 3rd largest criminal group in Sirius, they have huge numbers and are an actual threat to Rheinland.
If IC pulls out, Rheinland won't be able to fund both fronts - Omegas and Liberty. They will have to choose in which one they want to cut down.
Also, with the high number of pirates and criminals in Rheinland lack of insurance may lead to Rheinlad being cut-off from parts of space since no one will fly there without having his cargo insured, and Rheinland is low on many essential resources for the war.
TL;DR
Rheinland is a house - it holds a lot of power, the biggest one is people.
IC is the biggest financial body in Sirius - filling a huge hole as IC can leave behind it is nearly impossible, especially in the state of war.
They can offer it, but the question is if the people buy it west. I've researched the food market heavily before restarting Synth and it was easy. Samura still has a large market share with the older people. The young people go Paste, its much cheaper....
Update: and we're going off topic...
Rheinland would suffer badly in the short term and will have road to recovery ahead. The Liberty factions pulling out would suffer as well, leaving a profitable market... all in all EVERYBODY SUFFERS
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A corporation will only stop doing business with whoever if it becomes unprofitable.
I could sell guns to the IRA and very publicly, except quite a lot of people wouldn't like it and I'd be thrown into jail, which would mean I would have to stop selling guns, which isn't profitable.
If I had a scapegoat who could take the fall for me while I continue selling guns, as long as that scapegoat isn't integral to my profits, I'll gladly let them take the fall and continue selling guns, profitable.
If all my transports full of guns keep getting blasted to bits in a certain area, then I may stop doing business there as it isn't profitable anymore.
IC can pull out of Rheinland if they want.
Why would they want to though?
' Wrote:Rheinland would suffer badly in the short term and will have road to recovery ahead. The Liberty factions pulling out would suffer as well, leaving a profitable market... all in all EVERYBODY SUFFERS
Indeed. Liberty factions are in all Houses. and faction like IC are needed for them as air to have goods from other houses they with war. Thing that IC trading with Hessians behind RM back is indeed not surprising. Looks like all love Hessians more then RM, and more people wants to see Hessians rule over Rheinland. By Lore Hessians would never be so strong in Omegas and Rheinland if not big numbers of people who hates Rheinland Government, aid of IMG and IC with credits and commodities, LWB/Unioners/Bundshug to distract RM while Hessians fighting with Sairs. So its not surprise that RM not like IC anymore and actually hates it it seems
The info card you presented Anne doesn't say that Rheinland pays for the mainteance of the trade lane/gate network in Rheinland. It merely shows that Rheinland told IC to frack off over who owns them. Actually, all you've done is make it very clear as to why IC would take advantage of any possible way to recoup the loss that Rheinland forced them to swallow. Cause the government that stole from you to fall apart so you can then profit from the chaos? Corporate greed at its finest.
I'm rather looking forward to the outcome of this event, as it will enforce role play consequences on those who refuse to accept that their favorite factions have weaknesses which can be exploited.
' Wrote:And the losses Rheinland suffers which are no longer covered by insurance, hm?
People are forgetting that IC also insures the ships of the other Houses.
IC can also refuse to insure ALL ships travelling into Rhineland - this will increase the costs of foreign ships delivering needed trade goods into Rhineland.
At the end of the day, Rhineland can try simply changing their laws, pretending that IC and its debts never happened. This is called sovereign risk - and can happen in the real world, with consequences (most notably the measures outlined in that Wikipaedia document).
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