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Offline Echo 7-7
04-30-2012, 02:34 AM,
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' Wrote:Could be fixed with either upping the lane shield capacity - so that NPCs can zap the lane but it won't disrupt it as easily - or doing the Gallic thing and adding a few beefed turrets to the lane, so you end up with explosions instead of NPCs. Although the latter might annoy the pirates who then can't just sit on a lane anymore if the lane defenses take their shields out. TL shield capacity is probably the better solution...

As for the lanes being made by Ageira: The hightech components, sure. But the framework? Why would a house not build it's own frames? Cheaper to have it done locally I wager. Faster too.

If that's the case, then why didn't they do it that way in the first place?

So the Houses decide they want to build their own Lane frames. Fine. What happens when Ageira says they're not going to provide the internals because they don't trust the local contractors?

Consider the 80 years war. Let's not forget the power of a monopoly.

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Offline Linkus
04-30-2012, 02:37 AM,
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' Wrote:If that's the case, then why didn't they do it that way in the first place?

So the Houses decide they want to build their own Lane frames. Fine. What happens when Ageira says they're not going to provide the internals because they don't trust the local contractors?

Consider the 80 years war. Let's not forget the power of a monopoly.

The term 'suck it' might apply.

One way or another, Ageira is no longer the sole supplier of gate and lane parts and it would also be hurt incredibly badly by any kind of loss of sales in that department.
Is that not almost Ageira's entire business after all?

Liberty is not in a state to push its economic demands on Kusari/Bretonia/Rheinland.





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Offline Ursus
04-30-2012, 02:39 AM, (This post was last modified: 04-30-2012, 02:39 AM by Ursus.)
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' Wrote:So the Houses decide they want to build their own Lane frames. Fine. What happens when Ageira says they're not going to provide the internals because they don't trust the local contractors?
New lore says Ageira agreed to it last year.. Problem?

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Offline Echo 7-7
04-30-2012, 03:10 AM,
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' Wrote:The term 'suck it' might apply.

One way or another, Ageira is no longer the sole supplier of gate and lane parts and it would also be hurt incredibly badly by any kind of loss of sales in that department.
Is that not almost Ageira's entire business after all?

Liberty is not in a state to push its economic demands on Kusari/Bretonia/Rheinland.

Ageira is versatile but yes, it is a significant portion. However, that's sales versus a house's network functioning. Is Rheinland ready to lose the war with Liberty?

' Wrote:New lore says Ageira agreed to it last year.. Problem?

Links or it didn't happen.

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Offline SparkyRailgun
04-30-2012, 07:11 AM,
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' Wrote:As for the lanes being made by Ageira: The hightech components, sure. But the framework? Why would a house not build it's own frames? Cheaper to have it done locally I wager. Faster too.

... DSE builds the framework.
I honestly thought this was common knowledge.

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Offline McNeo
04-30-2012, 07:35 AM, (This post was last modified: 04-30-2012, 08:51 AM by McNeo.)
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' Wrote:The term 'suck it' might apply.

One way or another, Ageira is no longer the sole supplier of gate and lane parts and it would also be hurt incredibly badly by any kind of loss of sales in that department.
Is that not almost Ageira's entire business after all?

Liberty is not in a state to push its economic demands on Kusari/Bretonia/Rheinland.

So the assumption is that the lane/gate parts that Gallia produces is compatible with the lane/gate parts that Liberty produces? Have you looked at the lane/gate models that Gallia uses? They dont look similar at all, unless Rheinland just wants to replace their network and thus be in debt to Gallia to the same extent that it is in debt to Liberty. Hardly a better trade, given the size of their military (and before you say something about distance, I would bet that same distance would result in large logistical costs for the replacement of the lane network by Solar Engineering. Cant have your cake and eat it at the same time).

The only country that pushes its economic demands on anybody is North Korea (Kaesong Industrial Zone), and their people eat grass and dead leaves. And rice, on occassion.

Take a look at the economies of countries that are at risk of saying "suck it" to the rest of the world. You've got Greece and Spain, to name two, buckling under the pressure of their debt but unwilling to exchange investor confidence for a reset balance sheet. I wonder why?

People do not invest in countries that have a habit of not paying their debts. Therefore, countries that do not pay their debts struggle to find investors willing to buy their government bonds or privately support large or medium scale building projects. Just where does a government find the money to build a big bridge, pay it's wage bill or issue defense contracts, for example? Certainly not from it's own pockets. It would be a logistical nightmare to hold so much cash as a reserve, which is precisely why the vast majority of governments rely on the sale of bonds to deal with their cash-flow problems.

If a government does not pay their debts, people do not invest in that country. Why would this not be true in Sirius?

A bit like how you can't get a loan if your credit rating sucks. Which means you can't buy a car, house or other large investment unless you pay the full price upfront.

That kind of thing really sucks for countries. And well, Rheinland doing that would certainly give Liberty a very prudent economic reason for conquering the crap out of that house to make them pay their reparations rather than just stealing Munster. They got away with it once, but again? Political leaders don't like to be made bitches.

It's worth saying that if you want to justify the existence of these aesthetically tailored lanes, you could (instead of removing the vanilla basis of FL and a heavily influencing factor in the whole of Sirius' development before the SP storyline) simply say that the respective governments of each house issued slightly different specifications for the kinds of lanes and gates that they would like, and DSE built and maintains them to those standards. I'm not sure why they would do this, but that's why I think this is generally a bad idea.
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Offline Champ
04-30-2012, 08:09 AM,
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I might add to Connor and Max's arguments by proposing that if it ain't broke, we don't fix it.

Sorry Iris, I've really grown to like the lanes, so I'm not a big fan of a remodel. Honestly it would bother me to no end if I looked at a different lane for each house. I like the equity of lanes; it provides a nice baseline for design. I dislike the rigid equity of base design on bases that are explicitly owned by an within-house entity, say militaries.

Changes of the lane models are certainly not something I'd like to see implemented personally, and as Max and Connor have highlighted, the current changes to lore proposed would be unrealistic and implausible.

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Offline dodike
05-02-2012, 01:55 AM,
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This doesn't make much sense. It's been discussed before.

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Offline Snak5
05-02-2012, 04:57 AM,
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People are so afraid of little changes to what they were accommodated.

And besides, it's developers' word against yours.

Lore can be changed, new lore created.

Live with that.



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Offline Petitioner
05-02-2012, 05:51 AM,
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Sorry, Champ, but mods are built on the idea of fixing things that aren't broken. You can make them BETTER.

I think this is a wonderful idea, personally, as the houses honestly sort of all seem about the same now. It's good to make them seem more unique.

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