Outcast x Corsair equipment and ship balance

[mjolnir]

Civilian guns are open to all, yes? Or not?

Actually not... Igiss didn't place them on Freeports but on lawful bases. As pirates you should never be able to dock on them...so I would say they are open to lawfulls only.


About ships again...

Decurion is bad.. just about same agility as Sabre
Centrution has very low agility for a HF

but you have the Arwing.. which is a fully Corsair ship.

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@Exile...

well I was actually talking about official Outcast and allied factions here. I'm not going to name the things I have seen.. hope they just fix them.

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[Othman]

Haven't tried the Arwing too to be honest. Best is to try that ship and then decide what to say. Anyway, I would prefer flying a Sabre instead of a Titan.

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[Equinox]

1. There's nothing wrong with our ships. The only thing thats actually better than yours is the Sabre, if you ask me.

Im sorry but i disagree totally, ive flown every ship on each side of the fence and its easy to tell which is better.

Saber beats Titan hands down, i think we all agree on that.

The Outcast bomber is better than the Corsair bomber.

The Outcast destroyer is 10 times better than the Corsair Cruiser, infact its probably the best Destroyer in the game, thats why everyone who flys a Destroyer from the Outcast + there many allies (yes they all do whore the Outcast destroyer) flys one. For a start it fires all its guns forward, the Corsair cruiser does not, it has allot better agility, it has a funky hitbox that makes it hard to hit when the Corsair cruiser turns like a brick and is one big target.

And Connor as already shown us why there two battleships are better than our equivalent.

Let me just point out what this argument is actually about again, its not that we don't want the Outcasts to have a gunboat its the fact that every ship that comes out for the Outcasts it has to be better in stat wise and play wise to the Corsair ships, you have taken away any advantage the Corsairs ever had and staked them on the Outcast side.

And to the argument that if it was that bad then the Corsairs would be getting raped everyday, that doesn't really cut it because i remember when the Outcasts and there allies where doing just that, when the Outcasts get together with there allies and attack like they used to the Corsairs don't stand a chance. I remember when the Outcasts + Nova + HF + AW + Independents completely beat the Corsairs into the ground, so yes if they wanted to they could.

The argument that theres loads of Corsairs so we need better tech doesn't add up either, 90% of Corsairs are independent and don't follow the Corsair factions, they do what they like, most don't RP and most are not even registed on the forum, add that to the fact the Outcasts small size is made up ten fold by the fact they have loads of allies.

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[globalplayer-svk]

only one point. arwing turn better as decurion (i have tested both).
and exile,you really think that only better outcast ship is sabre vs titan?
try outcast destroyer vs corsair cruiser.or outcast dread vs corsair dread. i still think that at some distance will the outcast dread win,on close distance it will be all on loadout and position of guns. and about weapons,all always talk about tizonas/coladas,but say someone that when are enemies shields down you have less weapons to damage hull? and when you from 6 canons have 2 tizonas,you have 4 weapons to destroy hull.not 6.and i think good fighter pitlo who will never fly directly nose to nose to bobmer,can not be destroyed with bomber who has 4 coladas,but can be destroyed with bomber with krakens.

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[Othman]

Signed and I have the very same feeling that Outcast ships are better than the Corsair side in terms of both variety and stat-wise.

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On the uncharted lagoons of anguish, I sail with a canoe made of my sins.

[Exile]

Equinox. Give us numbers, statistics of battles. You cant just say that a ships better than annother.
Lets just give an example. Outcast battleship. It turns, it dies. Huge target. But its power makes up for that.

@Connor : Civillian=semi-lawfull. No? And, what do Corsairs shoot? Thats right. Civillians! So, i dont think they would appreciate it if you would use their weapons.

Now, ill let this go. Because my eyes are about to fall out. And i cant actually type something usefull at the moment, because of it.:dry:

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[Othman]

Well what I get from that statistics issue is, I think he meant the mass turn, strafing and some other variables. Anyway I am not that good at interpreting these stuff so I will not go any further but wait for more detailed replies.

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On the uncharted lagoons of anguish, I sail with a canoe made of my sins.

[McNeo]

While im at it, here are the stats on the scimatar and the decurion respectively

name weapons cargo hull nb/sb price notes

Scimitar 4/1 50 6700 44 1,395,000 Advanced Dagger
Decurion 4/0 45 6300 40 1,414,000 Advanced Legionnaire
Arwing 4/0 35 5500 36 1,295,000 Agile and fast light fighter

Since when has Outcast ships become heavier than the corsair equivalent? And our other "Corsair ship" which looks nothing of the sort and hence we never use it is included there also.

Okay, picking up on Kress' point, lets think. What can I do with these ships and this equipment:

Titan
Decurion
Centurion

(and no, we wont expand that choice until somthing which looks and is Corsair comes along)

Salamanca
Cid's
Mini razor
Torpedoes
Missiles
CD
Nuke
CM dropper
Gaia's angels (which dont match up with the sallys)
hogosha guns (which also dont match up with sallys)
farmers alliance guns (not a clue on these...)
Order guns (yes, the Reaper V, a sally inbetween the kracken and the original sally, Deaths hand is useless)

So, a Colada, 3 Sallys and 2 Reaper V's or, perhaps a cannonball instead of a Sally? A Nuke and a mini razor as well perhaps.

Alternatively, as an Outcast, what could I do with this?

Sabre, Scimatar, Crow, Slipstream, Werewolf, Hyena, Blood Dragon, Odin and Loki

Kracken
Wyrm
Mini razor
Inferno
Torpedoes
Missiles
CD
Nuke
CM dropper
Daito's (Sync)
Suncannons (Sync)
Dublin dusters (Dont sync)
Sammaels (Sync)
Hellflurries (no clue...)
Destroyers (Sync)
Lugers (Sync)
Natterturn Zwies (Sync)

This is what I'd do to a Sabre.

Inferno, 4 Kracken 2's, 2 Wyrm 2's and 1 Kracken turret. with all the amenities. If I had a BD, then I would go for 4 Daito's and 2 Suncannons, with an Inferno.

Its not hard at all to decide what you want as an Outcast, but for the Corsairs there are very few choices.

Yes, Mike, but why should any of us even want to use them? We all agreed that that shouldn't be the case, that Corsairs are supposed to have the best shield busters, so why does one Centurion pilot think not?

Statistics of battles? One has to look at the Sigma 13 blockade, which I believe you were a part of Mike? That should be ample proof that one faction on its own can defeat the Corsairs. NovaPG didnt need any of the other Outcast factions for that, they simply beat all Corsairs into the ground when we were trying to prepare for the RM TBH war. That statistic alone should prove Equinox's point.

[Exile]

Yes, Mike, but why should any of us even want to use them? We all agreed that that shouldn't be the case, that Corsairs are supposed to have the best shield busters, so why does one Centurion pilot think not?

Statistics of battles? One has to look at the Sigma 13 blockade, which I believe you were a part of Mike? That should be ample proof that one faction on its own can defeat the Corsairs. NovaPG didnt need any of the other Outcast factions for that, they simply beat all Corsairs into the ground when we were trying to prepare for the RM TBH war. That statistic alone should prove Equinox's point.

I just cant stop it from posting here:dry:.
Thats NovaPG Connor, were discussing Outcast here, allright?
And, i dont know how your pilots think. Thats your job.

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[Othman]

Thanks for the clarification Connor. Thats what I was trying to say mostly. Variety. Hellflurries must be also in sync since I remember them having 700ms muzzle velocity, if I'm not mistaken.

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On the uncharted lagoons of anguish, I sail with a canoe made of my sins.