' Wrote:Someone brought this up in a thread about keeping smugglers from using JGs and it turned out to be too much coding work if I remember correctly.
' Wrote:If you don't want your faction to use gates or holes, then don't use them...
You still did not read the OP, sir.
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Y'all naysayers are failing to understand that the point of the proposition. (from what I see) It's Spazzy trying to balance out being able to use Zoner ships in House space with the inability to exit systems or move within them quickly using conventional means.
' Wrote:I don't see the point in adding mechanics for one faction when they could quite easily police themselves and achieve the same result.
If they can't be trusted to police themselves... Well, noone really cares but them, so no harm done.
"Only half of nomad guns on certain faction ships" clause went really well at self policing, no? :laugh:
- cannot use jumpholes / gates
- can dock in house space if access is appropriately RPed
- cannot use any ships but pure zoner vessels
- can only act in self defense
thats fine already but i d also like to see something along the following lines
- can only jump zoner ships ( no jumping of other faction ships )
- cannot jump other factions capital ships
the last one is a bit foggy, i guess - but it would be to prevent such a group from acting as a hub for an invasion by the rules - which protects others - but the faction itself from being accused to do so, too.
actually i d also like to have something like "cannot mount WEAPONS on their jumpships" but i guess that takes it a bit too far.
since we have a precident - i don t see ANY reason why JZ shouldn t get their own ID at some time - AND be allowed to dock 5k in house space, giving up regular jumpgate/hole travel appears a fair enough deal.
with all those custom IDs - not only this hypothetical one - but also the ones we just got - i m not sure why it needs to be "zoners" anymore.
those are not zoners - they are custom IDs for a reason - the reason being ... they are not zoners, they are different - hence, custom ID. - the only faction benefitting from the NPC zoner lore should be the generic zoner ID, all others can build on that lore, but shouldn t consider it "theirs" - its a heritage but thats where it ends -they moved on. so - yea, you can call yourself "jumping Zoners" - but you d be as much "zoners" as those gaians who are not about protecting Gaia anymoer - but are rather mere pirates under that gaian banner.
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about becoming stranded without fuel without a refuel station - well.... i call tough luck and poor planning. - and the group in question would be forced to get a deal with a local cooperation - which may - if they are smart - rip them off. - free economy for the win. however - a faction that knows that it must always have enough fuel to get back to a refuel station should plan around that very crucial fact.
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and cause i do care about some minor things in that respect - i d love to restrict such a group from taking a Nephilim into house space - that shiptype is not supposed to go there - Aquillon is fine, Nephilim is not.
Thank's for the input, Jinx. Gonna try and answer all the points made.
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- cannot use jumpholes / gates
- can dock in house space if access is appropriately RPed
- cannot use any ships but pure zoner vessels
- can only act in self defense
thats fine already but i d also like to see something along the following lines
- can only jump zoner ships ( no jumping of other faction ships )
- cannot jump other factions capital ships
the last one is a bit foggy, i guess - but it would be to prevent such a group from acting as a hub for an invasion by the rules - which protects others - but the faction itself from being accused to do so, too.
Zoners can already fire only in self defense. However, about the non zoner ships....it sort of shuts off a large part of roleplay opportunities. The JZ in the past were contracted to move two barges, for example and to help the IMG with a mining operation. Neither one was income-worthy, but we did it for the RP.
I can see what you are trying to say with it, because we have seen house navy BSs or even zoner ones jumping around house traders and that, yes, needs to stop. But at what cost?
As for the capital ships, this is nice, but if someone intentionally tries to hitch a ride, would that give the offender a chance to sanction the group?
Quote:actually i d also like to have something like "cannot mount WEAPONS on their jumpships" but i guess that takes it a bit too far.
since we have a precident - i don t see ANY reason why JZ shouldn t get their own ID at some time - AND be allowed to dock 5k in house space, giving up regular jumpgate/hole travel appears a fair enough deal.
with all those custom IDs - not only this hypothetical one - but also the ones we just got - i m not sure why it needs to be "zoners" anymore.
those are not zoners - they are custom IDs for a reason - the reason being ... they are not zoners, they are different - hence, custom ID. - the only faction benefitting from the NPC zoner lore should be the generic zoner ID, all others can build on that lore, but shouldn t consider it "theirs" - its a heritage but thats where it ends -they moved on. so - yea, you can call yourself "jumping Zoners" - but you d be as much "zoners" as those gaians who are not about protecting Gaia anymoer - but are rather mere pirates under that gaian banner.
We need the guns for fending off npcs. They are very annoying sometimes. The Mother Whale, for example, is literally the only JZ which has guns on it.
As for the not being zoners thing. Why? I mean...weren't the whole custom ID thing to allow groups to fully utilize their NPC faction? I mean, it is not just about the RP, look at the current Zoner ID. The no docking in house space section was put there not because of RP reasons, but rather because of balance. To cut down on the massive amount of 5k zoner traders.
So a zoner faction applying for a custom ID would be actually using their RP material to get full benefits of their factions RP.
In other words, the part about being able to dock on house space would not make the JZ non-zoner. Since it was not an RP related limitation in the first place, correct me if I am wrong.
Custom IDs can be created basing off the parent npc faction, obviously. But some IDs have the same RP as the parent, but have different limitations. In this case, we give up game mechanics in favor of being able to dock on house space. While doing so, we do not change our RP (Rp required with the house institutions withstanding).
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about becoming stranded without fuel without a refuel station - well.... i call tough luck and poor planning. - and the group in question would be forced to get a deal with a local cooperation - which may - if they are smart - rip them off. - free economy for the win. however - a faction that knows that it must always have enough fuel to get back to a refuel station should plan around that very crucial fact.
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and cause i do care about some minor things in that respect - i d love to restrict such a group from taking a Nephilim into house space - that shiptype is not supposed to go there - Aquillon is fine, Nephilim is not.
Indeed, if we get stuck somewhere, then we need to get some RP done with whoever is in charge of the space. Or contact another jumper to jump us out.
Also, we do not use nephilims. They are mobile freeports, as such, have no RP reasoning to be used as jump ships for trading.
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I'd say "can't use gates or lanes with any ship except fighters and freighters". That gives you a RP out if you get stuck somewhere - you can resupply your ships with some emergency freighter relief. Besides, the fighters and freighters would not carry said "jump sensitive equipment" anyway. They'd be docked with your carrier.
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