Outcast x Corsair equipment and ship balance

[Dopamino]

I actually agree with most of Chopper's points, except that Lohingren is a bad faction leader; he's not.

---

I mostly lurk around Media Center these days.

[chopper]

It was not my intention to flame you as a person.
I flamed (I did, really) your way of leading a faction.

About this :

now do not speak of me and rp when your boys stage 3 seperate assaults on malta in the space of 9 hours. claiming they can re engage cause they ran, and can re engage cause they are in different system. and when you come back in throw the exact same rule we tried to at you back at us. you my friend are being a little hypocritical here.

I beg you, report every single one BSG member that is not playing the game by the books.
I can be held responsible of that, but i am simply not informed about any of this.
So, to avoid further discussion about that, because it is a serious off-topic, i am telling you that you have my blessing to report everything that is against the rules, and done by the BSG.
I as well hate rule-breakers, even if they are in my "faction".
They will be grounded in BSG as well, if i get any knowledge of such actions.

As well, don't speak of the old BSG, it is completely irrelevant to the new one.
CR is official "new BSG", everything that you have against the old one, address to them directly.
The new BSG (unofficial one, the one that i am member of) never attacked Alpha 3 times a day.
We are not simply miners, we are a Military of the miners.
So, it seems we have enough power to keep you in Alpha.
This is off-topic as well.

I only answered you on your arguments, no need to get so emotional.
I am not here to hate anyone, i simply want to discuss that.
And i think i have the right to do that in public.
Sure, if you don't want to talk about it here, we can take it on PM's.
I never accused you for rule-breaking, or anything.
But, in RoS, there is a lot of space for RP, unused space.
And you are keeping it unused.
Switch to Sabres, fly Sabres, fly even Outcast Destroyers.
But don't give me arguments like "We need BD's to defend Malta".
If you need them, call the NovaPG, i'm sure they will be more then happy to help you out, as they always are.
And i say it again, don't take this so personally, i don't hate you, i am just trying to convince you in something.
And i really believe you'r wrong in this one.

---

It is every Corsair's responsibility to die a beautiful death in defense of Crete, regardless of how OORP or how capwhoring the opposition is. Launch your fighter, joust the battlecruisers and die a beautiful death. Then, drink it down in the bar.

Can't let you bash folks in your sig Chopper-Del

[Doom]

now do not speak of me and rp when your boys stage 3 seperate assaults on malta in the space of 9 hours. claiming they can re engage cause they ran, and can re engage cause they are in different system. and when you come back in throw the exact same rule we tried to at you back at us. you my friend are being a little hypocritical here.

your miners....MINERS not battle star galactica MIIIINEEEERSSSSSSS. you barely have enough power to stage one assault never mind 3. be realistic

Ok now you made me answer this one...

Miners we may be...but we are your enemies...

IMG is far from being poor faction...let me see....IMG makes VHF, SVHF, GB, and Bcruiser...is that what poor faction does?

The Independent Mining Guild is one of the most prominent ship-building factions in Sirius

Raven's Talon was designed by Independent Miners Guild for commercial purposes. Excellent speed, extended power capacity, and well-known quality standards of IMG made this ship popular on black market. Raven's Talon is one of the best very heavy fighters available for pirates and mercenaries - and surely most expensive.

on that re engagement stuff...well...i don't even want to go there...not in this thread anyway....

[[RoS]silent_assasin82]

Well the fact is in Real Life allies use each others equipment. Are you going to tell George Bush hes out of RP for supplying britain with equipment. Thats the way things work in Real Life so why not in sirius. Its not our falt we have allies and use thiere and untill theres a rule against it we will continue to do so. We are not out of RP in anyway by doing so. If you choose to use only your faction ship then thats fine with me. If your skills are so good then why are you complaining about it. In actual fact it could be argued that its good RP using allied ships. We as outcasts have 2 main factions in alpha no offence to BLS but they are not very big so we have 101st and RoS. How many members between the 2 clans i dont know but not as much as

PIC TBH OPG TT all cosair factions that have a hell of alot of numbers. Then theres the allies. CR BSG

all of wich will have no problem in attacking in force the 2 OC factions at the same time


you choose your safty in numbers we use the best equipment availible and thats all there is too it.

And also the Ravens Talon. I love it have never changed it even after it got gimped and i never will. You dont like our RP chopper dont RP with us and attack every 2 secs. I suffered 2 weeks of 2 battlestars cruisers vipers all attacking me when i was on my own in alpha you call us cap whores. Thats somthing i would say we have never Been. in actual fact our original flag ship was blown up and SS then dismantled to try and reach out to all the CAP WHORES to stop doing it what has anybody else been doing apart from FLAMMING.

niothing that i can see

---

[Lohingren]

the point im getting at bud is then we will have the usual old, outcast bandwagon getting together again. i personally don't think it is right for the HF and nova to role upto alpha every time something goes down. kind of bad looking. but seriously gaps left for RoS rp. look around the forum i am sick of that crap being said that we don't RP. and we don't try. everyone pulls that card on me everytime and everytime i have proved em wrong because they don't even bother they're arse to read anything we put in ANYWHERE.

now do me a favour and make a outcast char sit in alpha for a while and wait for the whole crew to come flooding in with all em ships 4 factions for 3 fighter's. there is no excuse for that, i wont deny that outcasts have done it back. but come on we don't do it to 3 fighters. or atleast i would never do such a thing until recently. because of this, all day im having to rush on cause we got people rolling in and out every 30 mins if it not corsairs, its bsg and cr if its not them its BHG. its annoying very very annoying. we come on and we get slapped with cap ships left and right and i don't care if you guys don't got the allies you have 4 separate farely large corsair factions to make up for that. that isn't essence of RP thats just all out whoring on us left and right. why must i play fare when they do not. this is my point of view. i get where you coming at we should use sabre's (which 90% of us do when flying fighter). we only got 2 LF's flown by me and silent. Falcata's are used by everyone also. what is the harm in using a few of our allies ships this is why it bugs me. RoS are outcasts yes but please oh please would someone read our RP PLEAAAASE. we are ragtag i have always stated this. the leaders are no way tied to the Outcasts bar the epigoni. we do not follow this same pride the rest of the outcasts do. we do not share the same love for the tech. we are just paying back a debt to them. i have always stated this for everyone to see. and i have always regulated this to a balanced degree. such as the Ravens talon, i found we where getting to many of em so i made em go away. now we have 2 to my knowledge. i still fly my Sabre, infact my main tag IS a sabre. i pride myself in that Sabre. same with weaponry. we do not use ooRP weps the most you will see is 1 debil on a fighter, yes i know this had been brought up but yet again i have RP'ed them to every last single drop RP could go to get a weapon off a ally. i don't just simply go oh cool weapons i am gonna get em, *bought* ask every single person i have done such with. we have RP'ed it.

what difference is a squad of bombers anyway. especially if they are being used for defensive purposes. i truly do not have any intention of spamming the things. i plan to train a few people up in them and get em to protect malta when need be in them. as i said it is not very spirit of the RP when we have a full fleet to come in for 3 fighter's. it has happened all to many times. and yes it is not about the numbers but the story, but unfortunate for us we are not like TBH and CR and BSG who can summon numbers from nowhere we personally need any advantage we can get when we are outnumbered almost 3 to 1.

but yes im not going to carry on this off topic stuff anymore needed to be said to me personally, please do take it to pm or something and lets try to keep it civil, nothing comes of flame but making one person look like a fool.

EDIT: we would do ingame RP if people would give us a chance to, not even a word is said when the bandwagon flies in its just in kill. dead hahahaha we win you suck were leavin bye. lol, rofl,:D,:)))). big pile of crap.

we do try and RP ingame quite alot. to allies we do it alot. to enemies i do try most of us do try. but to no avail usually ends up in im going to kill you *fights*.

---

Reapers of Sirius Database

[Unseelie]

Can we please stop flaming, and get back to a logical discussion?
ERGO, us logical points, (called logos) and the audience's feelings (pathos) to persuade them that we have the right position?

So far, I have seen a lot of people persuaded to the 'Sair side, but no one to the Outcast side. Tells you something about the legitimacy of the Corsair rhetoric.

EDIT: I also believe we are talking about ingame rp.

---

[Equinox]

With exception from one post no one has flamed anyone. Infact most people have come here with very strong arguments and all we get back is "stop whining", "you have more numbers", "we get raped every 5 minutes so we will fly what we like".

You tend to forget we "the Corsairs" were in the exact same place you are in (getting attacked by greater numbers) but we had ships that do not come close to the Outcasts and we got on with it and kept flying the crappy Titan until we could fly the heap of sh*t.

You may have not been here a month or two ago i don't know, but if you where not you missed the Corsairs getting killed left right and center by the Outcasts and there Allies.

There for your argument about greater numbers for having over powered ships and using allie ships is defunct.

Let me also add this, the Discovery mod is not just on one server, its on many, what if on another server the Outcasts have more members would you call it fair and balanced then?.

It is supposed to be a balanced mod isn't it?.

And im sorry but most of England's Tech comes from England and im pretty sure someone in the Royal Air Force would sooner be flying something that was built in the UK not made oversees.

---

[Dopamino]

A little off topic, but I just can't let ill-fitting analogies go.

Most of the parts of that English tech probably comes from other countries (eg China, Japan, etc).

That's all.

---

I mostly lurk around Media Center these days.

[chopper]

@Silent - If Brettonia doesn't have their own Bomber, they will use USA's.
That is an example.
Same goes with Outcasts.
If they don't have a Gunboat, they will use a Gunboat of their allies.
I can't agree more with that.
But, where did you see Brettonians flying USA fighters, even though they have their own?
That is my point.
Where did i say that you are capship whores?
Battlestars attacking Alpha are not my concern.
BSG is fighters + bombers only now.
And i will accept all constructive criticism to improve the RP of BSG.
Really, i will. If you have a suggestion, hand it over.
Every suggestion about BSG RP improvement will be considered, i promise.

You use best equipment available, yes. And that is not for bragging.

@Lohingren - Sorry mate, i never said RoS RP is bad on board or similar.
I said you can upgrade it. And you can.
Ditch all non-Outcast ships (except Gunboats, but preferably choose one to fly, not 5) and fly with what you have.
And by doing so, your RP is even better.
Sabre is an awesome ship, by all standards.
It is in the best trio, BD, Wrath, Sabre.
All agile, small, powerful.
Eagle is agile, but big.
I am sure most Outcasts will agree with this.
Sure, Blood Dragon is better, but Sabre still beats the crap out of Titan, and if you ask me, it is even better then the Viper.
And most of all, it is your ship. It is an Outcast ship.
Same goes for the LF's. You say you have only 2 of them.
I'v seen a Slipstream, but i never seen a Scimitar, which is, again, by all standards, a very good LF.
Sure, not as good as a Slipstream, but it is yours.
See space for improvements?
No matter what i read here on board can convince me that RoS can't be better in RP.
And there is another point that no one struck down yet.
Blood Dragons keep their BD fighter hidden, they don't give it to anyone.
Even though NovaPG allowed it for usage, it still says in the infocard that it is not for giving.

BSG was pwned countless times by more then one faction.
HF + RoS + Cylons attacking us, QCO attacking us, NovaPG attacking us.
And is that an argument for us to start using the best equipment as well?
To switch to Merc ID, buy the best ships and guns, and pwn everyone?
No, it is not.
It will never be.
When you get killed, try hard to improve your piloting skills.
I know i will, I always do.
Anyway, my point here is made.
I can only hope that you will see a reason, for your own good.
Not for mine, not for Corsairs, for your own.

@Dopamino - Thanks for being reasonable.

---

It is every Corsair's responsibility to die a beautiful death in defense of Crete, regardless of how OORP or how capwhoring the opposition is. Launch your fighter, joust the battlecruisers and die a beautiful death. Then, drink it down in the bar.

Can't let you bash folks in your sig Chopper-Del

[Equinox]

A little off topic, but I just can't let ill-fitting analogies go.

Most of the parts of that English tech probably comes from other countries (eg China, Japan, etc).

That's all.

Tbh that was not the point i was trying to make and im fairly sure you know that.

The point i was trying to make is that lets say someone from the USA in the Airforce if he had a choice of using home grown ships built in the USA or some other ship brought it which do you think he would pick?.

---