Kushan VHF hitbox

[Dab]

Nice.. I agree with something that Dab said.
That's about second time :yahoo:

Not commenting on the BSG/CR vs Cylon relations.. not my business

only one thing
I found that the Marauder had 1.2 something agility in 4.83 and now it has 1.31. So don't think it got nerfed there.

About firepower.... it has the Sabre powerplant!!!! That's quite enough to fire 6 Guns isn't it?

Sabre powerplant really isn't that good.. Trust me, I fly it with my Wraith all the time. And as I stated earlier this thread, the numbers are not representative. We've proven in the past that numbers do not always match in-game agility. It usually is pretty accurate, and other times it gives us a range, but a ship with 1.3 agility may be better than a ship with 1.25 agility. There are many factors and just game mechanics that get in the way. Also, the fact that it has 7,400 armor and less agility than the Vipers that have 8,800 and 10,000 with 2 class 9 guns, and 4 class 10 guns, when it has 2 class 8s and 4 class 9s.

Guns
Marauder: 2 Class 8s, 4 Class 9s
Viper MkI/MkII: 2 Class 9s, 4 Class 10s

Armor
Marauders: 7,400
Viper MkI: 8,800
Viper MkII: 10,000

Agility
Marauder: 1.31
Viper: 1.1556

(Pretty large difference don't you think?)

Bots
Marauder: 46/46
Viper MkI: 58/58
Viper MkII: 64/64

Oh, and the hitbox is also bigger than the Viper's now.


So is there anything the Marauder beats it in now?
No.



And maybe I'm feeling hostile because your always, ALWAYS, trying to get ships nerfed. Oh, and your accusation that I'm hostile because I couldn't win? I've had 2 fights with you. One; 2 of us beat 3 of you and a TBH, and Two; I was fighting TBH, they brought in a BATTLESHIP, I ran, you came in and tried to stop me from running. Me and my 59 out of 62 bots remaining. Yeah, really lost there.

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[OsoRojo]

Examples:

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[mjolnir]

"I was hanging on his six for quite some time... firing shots from about 150 ms behind him. (That is really close) and I watched 9/10 of my shots fly right trough the last 1/2 of his hull."

This I find very interesting after reflection. How can you go through my last half if your on my six? In addition, from the rear, as per my screenies, their is a very minor cross section, like a plus sign +, so extremely hard to hit. This calls into question your whole proposition.

Well the hits never come from exactly behind the ship as you and me are always dodging/moving around. So they do come at an angle, but from behind. Maybe wrong wording.

I still don't get how is it possible to say - when looking on the screens and the hitbox picture from AoM - that it's a good hitbox for the ship and that there is nothing wrong with it. :shok:

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Igiss says: Martin, you give them a finger, they bite off your arm.

[OsoRojo]

I putforth it is your aim that is faulty versus Kushan. Our engagement was the 1st you had with Kushan, but yet you are basing this whole crusade on one encounter. In addition, you keep maintaining it has to be the ship in some way. I disagree. It is fine. It was your 1st encounter. BSG/CR position is suspect.

[Doom]

Thats the same thing thats starting to happen here. I'd rather not see YAN. Yet Another Nerf. All because BSG wants it because they find it too difficult to fight an enemy when they are on EVEN terms.
They say that because for the BSG/CR, its true. There is evidence of it in multiple places. This has already happened more than once. BSG/CR come up against a ship thats too good, they want a nerf.
That may not be what your doing, but it is what BSG/CR is doing.
Yes, I know. And I said that BSG/CR did not have any right to complain about this. I didn't say others didn't have a right.

Oh give me a break Dab.....again with the raven talon...funny how you complain about viper now that is has same Hit box like raven did(only Viper has it 2 times bigger)...back then your posts were filled with words how RT was "balanced" ship....and now when Viper has same hit box its not good...amusing....

and there is not BSG/CR who asked for YAN (how you like to call it) but common sense...now when RT has slightly bigger hit box while maintaining same big power plant (i don't know about agility) i actually see other ships then most used RT in 4.83....

Yes, I know. And I said that BSG/CR did not have any right to complain about this.

BSG is most affected by this bug...CR not that much so we didn't complain...so i would say they have a right to say what they want...

also...CR/BSG are two of the few factions here who fly and fight custom models so bugs and issues will most likely be shown there.

All new custom ships have very good hitboxes cause we have better tools then makers of the first custom ships that were imported into the mod. It will take time to balance and fix them al,l but that sentence of your about people (CR/BSG in this case) not having right to say anything is dead wrong and little pompous IMO.

So is there anything the Marauder beats it in now?

Marauder is very bad balanced ship, and i mean agility wise....weapons, hull and botts are OK for HF and that ship was always classified as HF...too bad it agility never showed that....

But, just cause Marauder is crap...and badly balanced..should we make brick our of Viper like in beta for 4.83...?...even bloody spatial could out turn Viper then...

after new hit box Viper will be perfectly made custom VHF....and Marauder should maintain its role of HF but with agility that comes with it

[mjolnir]

I putforth it is your aim that is faulty versus Kushan. Our engagement was the 1st you had with Kushan, but yet you are basing this whole crusade on one encounter. In addition, you keep maintaining it has to be the ship in some way. I disagree. It is fine you have just never faced it before. BSG/CR position is suspect.

That is true.. I was aiming on the ship.. not on the Dragon picture that I now have painted and placed next to my screen to move it around next time I see you, so that I know where to aim.

It is possible to counter and kill the ship... yes... and it's not really uber.. yes... but it has a broken hitbox.. that doesn't cover a lot (40-50% of the ship). And I don't think it's right... do you?

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Igiss says: Martin, you give them a finger, they bite off your arm.

[StarButt]

Sabre powerplant really isn't that good.. Trust me, I fly it with my Wraith all the time. And as I stated earlier this thread, the numbers are not representative. We've proven in the past that numbers do not always match in-game agility. It usually is pretty accurate, and other times it gives us a range, but a ship with 1.3 agility may be better than a ship with 1.25 agility. There are many factors and just game mechanics that get in the way. Also, the fact that it has 7,400 armor and less agility than the Vipers that have 8,800 and 10,000 with 2 class 9 guns, and 4 class 10 guns, when it has 2 class 8s and 4 class 9s.

Guns
Marauder: 2 Class 8s, 4 Class 9s
Viper MkI/MkII: 2 Class 9s, 4 Class 10s

Armor
Marauders: 7,400
Viper MkI: 8,800
Viper MkII: 10,000

Agility
Marauder: 1.31
Viper: 1.1556

(Pretty large difference don't you think?)

Bots
Marauder: 46/46
Viper MkI: 58/58
Viper MkII: 64/64

Oh, and the hitbox is also bigger than the Viper's now.
So is there anything the Marauder beats it in now?
No.
And maybe I'm feeling hostile because your always, ALWAYS, trying to get ships nerfed. Oh, and your accusation that I'm hostile because I couldn't win? I've had 2 fights with you. One; 2 of us beat 3 of you and a TBH, and Two; I was fighting TBH, they brought in a BATTLESHIP, I ran, you came in and tried to stop me from running. Me and my 59 out of 62 bots remaining. Yeah, really lost there.

Actually, marauder has:

2xclass7, 2xclass8, 2xclass9

rest is pretty accurate, but:

Agility
Marauder: 1.31
Viper: 1.1556

Is enough to make ALL THE DIFFERENCE. Paired with 700m/s OC weaponry, Marauder can out turn Viper, and hit it much more often, than viper can return fire, effectively negating 1200more armor and 12-18 more bots. And Sabers/marauders powerplant is more than enough, since just TWO marauders, armed only with guns, can keep the shield down of the freakin BATTLECRUISER? Wouldn't you say?!

So can Marauder beat viper if flown properly:

Hell YES

And Dab, /clap clap, well fought. Blood Dragon HF deciding to go full evasive, not trying to hit anyone, using Helgoland station as cover, didn't get hit? Imagine that....I'm still puzzled...

BTW, I hope you guys realise, there are actually two factors to ships flight performance:

1) Would be maximum angle speed at which the ship turns (called maneuverability)
2) Would be the acceleration at which the ship gets from str8 flight to the maximum angle speed (called agility)

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[Horon]

For crying out loud CAN WE STOP FIGHTING! Sheesh! Sound like a bunch of 8 year olds....Jesus.

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While being quite funny, your sig was the biggest one i've ever seen so far. No more than 700x250 please. ~utrack
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[mjolnir]

For crying out loud CAN WE STOP FIGHTING! Sheesh! Sound like a bunch of 8 year olds....Jesus.

yes we are... *slaps Eppy just for fun* :)

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Igiss says: Martin, you give them a finger, they bite off your arm.

[OsoRojo]

I do not agree that replacing hitbox will solve a preceived problem. I do not agree.

However, Igiss is the final arbiter and his creation. He decides, not I.


I vote Kushan is fine.