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[xiphos]

I'll just drop my thoughts in here rather randomly:

> Reduce the level of xenophobia.

In a game that is meant to be played together and which is only really good when players actually talk to each other, extreme xenophobia and "gaijin!"-standard-rp is not attractive at all.

I hope this comment wasn't affected by your grudges against the Hogosha indies a while ago. Just in case these grudges are still there.

> Concentrate on a few factions and awaken them to life instead of spreading activity so thin it stays invisible

How many unlawful factions are there in Kusari? How about we concentrate on making one work, or perhaps two instead of... lots? But that's not only a Kusari problem: generally, too many competitors for a roleplay segment (like "unlawful baddie" or "lawful moneymaker" exist everywhere.

Oh my. That's the worst idea i've read here. There are the Blood Dragons, Farmers Alliance and the Golden Chicks on the unlawful side. A few peeps would call the Hogosha also unlawful but that's another Story. But really now. The devs should work on something that has it's benefits for ALL Factions in Kusari like we should do it for other houses when the activity is struggling there. Sorry, but concentrating on a few factions is just stupid.

> A House needs a war where massive capfleets can batte

Assuming that in the next version cap fights will not crash the server any more, I would love to see Kusari joining Gallia fully and attacking Liberty's northern front. Or... I don't really care who they fights, but they deserve a real warzone where players can pit their big toys.

This one is neccessary. Yes. A house without a war is useless. Though. We should wait for 4.87 to come out. There are many changes in Kusari. Systems, Bases Jumpholes/Gates and so on.

I'll just drop my thoughts in here rather randomly:

> Reduce the level of xenophobia.

In a game that is meant to be played together and which is only really good when players actually talk to each other, extreme xenophobia and "gaijin!"-standard-rp is not attractive at all.

Totally agree. It's fine that FA and to a lesser extent Hogosha are xenophobic, but really, this constant gaijin spam is not going to draw more people from other houses to Kusari.
Kusari is supposed to be a fresh, new, optimistic democracy. Sure there are conservative elements, but the "old guard" has lost its power.
Xenophobia should be "uncool" in most of modern Kusari society.

Well, i would agree on this one, but then again, Kishiro coup'd the Government/Emporer not long ago. So there should be still a huge opposition against the new way of Kusari the next few years. Civil war anyone?

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Kusari lost all my respect when they let itsabashi base sit around their capitol, shooting anyone it wanted.

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[Stolt.]

Personally, I think the last thing Kusari needs is to go to war with Liberty. If anything, they should be improving their relations with Liberty and here's why:

I understand that the new Democratic Republic of Kusari (which I assume is not a constitutional monarchy) has relations with Gallia. However, Gallia destroyed Kusari's fleets. Kusari peoples, and especially their Naval Forces, should have a very hostile attitude towards the Gallic Royals even if they are friendly diplomatically. A real world example would be the United States and Saudi Arabia. Though they are allied, some Saudis (SOME, not all) have great distaste for the USA. In similar fashion, MANY Kusari citizens should have a great distaste for Gallia. Gallia destroyed Kusari's fleets when it invaded the Taus hence there are bound to be families who lost a Kusari service-member to the Gallic invasion, who would hate the Gallic Royal government.

Now I understand that the KNF was trapped behind enemy lines after the Gallic invasion and that Kusari is building a new KNF with the help of Rheinland (who is at war with Liberty). However, there are bound to be some KNF units left behind to defend Kusari from its terrorist organisation the BD and GC. Presumably after the KNF fleet in the Taus was destroyed/trapped, these units inside Kusari were promoted as new recruits came in to rebuilt the KNF. Either way, the KNF lost to the Gallics and IMO they should be very mad at them. While I can see the Democratic Republic of Kusari (DRK) as having decent relations with Gallia for the short term, I think sooner or later, once the military is rebuilt, Kusari should become hostile once again, or make hostile moves.

Now, I assume this thread is addressing the issue of the lack of people inside Kusari. As an economics student, I know you can't just expect people to be ideological RP'ers and just go to Kusari for the sake of RP. While a few do, its just that, a few. The best way to open up RP to Kusari is perhaps to create some very profitable trade routes/mining areas between Kusari and Liberty. I understand there are wonderful trade routes between Kusari and Gallia, but most players operate in Liberty, at least in house space/independent worlds region. Hence if you give those players a reason to travel to Kusari such as the profit off trade and mining, then activity increases in Kusari. Trade ships pass by, BD and GC pirate and terrorise, KNF/KSP get on to defend. And then Aoi Iseijin are revived!

Of course the drawbacks to this are that there will be quite a few lolwutters around, but that is the consequence of any activity in a house space, and a necessary consequence. Additionally, I am aware that a war with Liberty would create some activity in Kusari as KNF units attack Liberty units, funded through trade with Gallia, but it reduces the number of trade routes significantly. So in the end, there will be lots of KNF, a few BD/GC and thats it. No increase in trade. Thats why I'd rather have Kusari trading with Liberty and SLOWLY becoming anti-gallic then the opposite.

As for the hogosha RP, as far as I know, the Kusari people view the Hogosha as something that is simply there. There is no point liking or disliking the Hogosha as it simply exists. This is what I know about the Hogosha RP, please correct me if I'm wrong. I don't think the Kusari people would like or dislike or care about the Hogosha. I think this just needs to be considered before giving the Hogosha the right to pirate.

As for giving Kusari a war, I think a civil war is the way to go. I like the idea that in 4.87 the Kusari civil war starts and that by 4.88 it is full scale. That gives the exiles some time to rebuild their forces since the wiki page says they only have 25 cruisers left and a handful of marines. 4.87 could be used to give the Exiles some time to rebuild their forces and establish new, secret bases. It will also give Kusari a third dimension e.g. KNF/KSP/Kishiro vs Exiles/Samura/FA/Hogosha vs BD/GC

(Yes I'm aware Kishiro is secretly friendly to BD/GC but they currently control the government (or have great influence over it) and BD/GC are still devoted towards establishing their own governments.

Also, I haven't double checked my post so if I've made a grammatical mistake or my post is difficult to understand, sorry. I'll clarify if anyone asks me to.

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[t0l]

The "get out of here you damn gaijins, and drop all your foriegn cargo" attitude is just forcing traders and activity away from Kusari. Seriously. It gets old.

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[kikatsu]

Well so far I know that I have only forced one ship to drop all their cargo...not sure if other AFA members have been doing that, but if that is the case I will try to reel them in somewhat and only when dealing with cargo, we should probably only steal as much cargo as we can take in with the present ships.

Back on the subject of the thread, something that might be keeping average players away from Kusari is the fact that there is no real pirate faction in Kusari. The BD are politically motivated terrorists, the GC are politically motivated terrorists, the FA are politically motivated terrorists, and the Hogosha are money motivated mobsters. I guess only the FA really has motivation to raid traders on a regular basis, the other groups are more concerned with government targets.

[t0l]

Perhaps an event could be organized over some Libertonian/Rheinalndic/whatever technology for the KNF or whatever, and the BDs and GCs wanna attack it since its for the government, the FA wanna destroy it since its foreign and stuff, the Isejin wanna kill it because Isejin, the Order attack the Isejin because Isejin, and the KNF/Convoy escorts are guarding the transport.

tl;dr massive mess, but could infuse some much needed activity into Kusari.

Or maybe make a "Kusari Day", kinda like Lobster and his "Rheinland Day".

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[Remilia Scarlet]

Okay. Thanks everyone for replyes. Anyway I feel like I need to clarify my first post. I meant it's not build around Blood Dragons, but between Samura and Kishiro. The opposition of those two is what makes the life in Kusari interesting because as Karst mentioned almost all factions are political-oriented so once the political RP died then all the factions are insta RIP too. Kishiro not playing the BOSS in Kusari at all and the Samura is not playing the EX-BOSS with GRUDGES too. It's just some people sitting and mining ores around silently.

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[xiphos]

Kusari lost all my respect when they let itsabashi base sit around their capitol, shooting anyone it wanted.

Just in case you forgot about it, I very well remember your behavior at your Privateer character in Kusari. So you shouldn't talk about respect.

Okay. Thanks everyone for replyes. Anyway I feel like I need to clarify my first post. I meant it's not build around Blood Dragons, but between Samura and Kishiro. The opposition of those two is what makes the life in Kusari interesting because as Karst mentioned almost all factions are political-oriented so once the political RP died then all the factions are insta RIP too. Kishiro not playing the BOSS in Kusari at all and the Samura is not playing the EX-BOSS with GRUDGES too. It's just some people sitting and mining ores around silently.

Yes indeed. Problem was, Kishiro was dead in the end of 4.85 and at the beginning of 4.86. So none took care about the Coup of Kishiro. And how should Samura RP with an non existent Kishiro/Government? But maybe there is something we can do about in 4.87. Kusari needs it...

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[Markus_Janus]

Okay. Thanks everyone for replyes. Anyway I feel like I need to clarify my first post. I meant it's not build around Blood Dragons, but between Samura and Kishiro. The opposition of those two is what makes the life in Kusari interesting because as Karst mentioned almost all factions are political-oriented so once the political RP died then all the factions are insta RIP too. Kishiro not playing the BOSS in Kusari at all and the Samura is not playing the EX-BOSS with GRUDGES too. It's just some people sitting and mining ores around silently.

Oh believe me Samura does have grudges and we are slowly moving towards our continued goal as always.

As others have mentioned in this thread, part of the problem at the time of the change was that there was no Kishiro faction to speak of, this did have a detrimental effect of the power plays that could happen.
Trust me when I say that there is not really a point to flexing your muscles against a non existent opponent.

Another problem at the time was that the lore we were given to work with, while being new and exciting, was left full of wholes that the Kusari player base was left to try and work out what consequences were to happen and how some of these changes not only came about, but affected Kusari.

Change is always a challenge and can be quite fun to play through, but there will always be victims of any change.
Whether that is because they can not adapt, will not adapt or just don't fit in the new vision.

Is Samura trying to play the part of an EX-BOSS?
I would like to think we are.
This does not mean that we are just going to give up or even turn unlawful.
From our point of view this is just a minor set back, after all Samura lost the first vote and just took our time getting things the way they should be, this is round two.

We have been taking our time to turn this situation into our favor.
Part of this is to form relationships with new groups around Sirius.
The plans range from passive protest against the government, it's relationship with Gallia, the way it seized power.
All the way to building secret military hardware for use by Kusari's enemies and even plans to single out and conquer Kusari by force.

You see though that the way Samura works is slow and methodical.
The situation right now is but a single stroke of the history that is Samura and Kusari.

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[Ceoran]

The "get out of here you damn gaijins, and drop all your foriegn cargo" attitude is just forcing traders and activity away from Kusari. Seriously. It gets old.

Traders aren't much of a problem in Kusari. They are there. In fact I've recently seen more traders in Kusari than on my recent trips to Liberty despite visiting NY.
What I haven't seen in ages is a GC though.

Okay. Thanks everyone for replyes. Anyway I feel like I need to clarify my first post. I meant it's not build around Blood Dragons, but between Samura and Kishiro. The opposition of those two is what makes the life in Kusari interesting because as Karst mentioned almost all factions are political-oriented so once the political RP died then all the factions are insta RIP too. Kishiro not playing the BOSS in Kusari at all and the Samura is not playing the EX-BOSS with GRUDGES too. It's just some people sitting and mining ores around silently.

Samura is around and active and plotting as always. Don't worry about it.
Kishiro is nowhere to be found and generally has been put into an impossible position by the mod development.
In other words: Samura could easily adapt to the new situation, Kishiro can not.

A more reasonable storyline would have been to have Kusari defeated but no Exiles arising. Instead the Emperor returning home and still being in charge. A weakened KNF would have served as enough a reason for the Blood Dragons to stop hiding on Kyoto and start open war with GMG and Kishiro support, possibly even the KSP since vanilla rumours indicate they are less corrupt.

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