(06-12-2013, 11:30 PM)xiphos Wrote: I hope this comment wasn't affected by your grudges against the Hogosha indies a while ago. Just in case these grudges are still there.
No. That is a thing of the past and long gone.
I was criticising the xenophobic tone that I regularly realize when I rp in Kusari. It is not conducive to create a constructive environment for rp.
I personally do not enjoy elitist "We are better, who are you to be here anyway, gaijin!" style of rp and it happens pretty often, sadly. That's the reason for my suggestion, not some mess that is over 1 year in the past.
Ceoran's idea is nice, about the GMG-Kishiro-BD uprising. However it's done as it's done so I wonder how it can be turned around at all.
And yes, Kishiro is kinda missing and the government is missing with it as well so the good move would be is to really BUFF the Kishiro, not only in income rates of cause, to make it a cake to play with.
(06-12-2013, 11:30 PM)xiphos Wrote: I hope this comment wasn't affected by your grudges against the Hogosha indies a while ago. Just in case these grudges are still there.
No. That is a thing of the past and long gone.
I was criticising the xenophobic tone that I regularly realize when I rp in Kusari. It is not conducive to create a constructive environment for rp.
I personally do not enjoy elitist "We are better, who are you to be here anyway, gaijin!" style of rp and it happens pretty often, sadly. That's the reason for my suggestion, not some mess that is over 1 year in the past.
Well yeah. Some peeps are overusing that maybe. But especially for the FA it is a huge part of their lore.
xenophobia is a Kusari house's trait and is a part of the lore. Maybe someone is overusing it but you can't change people's behavior in a matter of few years. It takes much longer if even possible so get yourself ready, gaijin x)
(06-13-2013, 04:54 AM)kikatsu Wrote: Well so far I know that I have only forced one ship to drop all their cargo...not sure if other AFA members have been doing that, but if that is the case I will try to reel them in somewhat and only when dealing with cargo, we should probably only steal as much cargo as we can take in with the present ships.
Back on the subject of the thread, something that might be keeping average players away from Kusari is the fact that there is no real pirate faction in Kusari. The BD are politically motivated terrorists, the GC are politically motivated terrorists, the FA are politically motivated terrorists, and the Hogosha are money motivated mobsters. I guess only the FA really has motivation to raid traders on a regular basis, the other groups are more concerned with government targets.
I think what he means are some of the indy blood dragon groups. I have seen them roll out in cruisers (and even a cloaking battleship with them once) traveling to the most populated kusari systems and simply cleaning house (literally) This was lately even and just a few days ago. I have no idea who they are but I was told that some of the names of the indies were russian so they are probably one of those blue hunters group who log when they want to kill something.
Anyway before anyone starts pointing fingers. We in the AFA do consider the other party when it comes to piracy. You wont find us demanding outrageous demands just so you will decline and we can blow you up. If you do see that happen let kikatsu or me know. (we are the leaders) Behind the person you might be planning on blowing up is another player, new or old, RP focused or power trade orientated whose fun you might be ruining of by simply killing them, taking all their cargo or using the unfair 25 mill for a load of ore demand
As far as the elitist anti gaijin behaviour. Cant say there is much to be done about that. the AFA can be seen as the Xeno's of Kusari and Samura is very traditionalist / conservative. And then of course you have symphatisers in nearly all groups who do not like outsiders either.
In my humble opinion, the real problem with Kusari is its player-base.
Nobody is ready to do concessions or keep a civil enough mindset to make factions cooperate with each other.
Without unlawfuls, lawfuls are dying out in boredom, and vice versa.
The faction leaders didn't make much effort to promote activity or even to merely react to players actions.
We're facing the consequences of this apathy since several months.
I already ranted about the way the government is handled by the people in charge.
I participated in that government chat. For two periods of time.
And it was just sitting on one's bottom and getting into endless discussions leading to no where. Hence why i left.
The way Kusari was treated in 4.86 lore isn't perfect, sure. But it's a false problem.
Nothing supposedly stops people to have fun as it is, as long as they learn to entertain healthy relations with the others factions in their zone of influence.
Can't disagree for the government is really broken. The unlawfuls are recently just rofl-stomp-tempered capital ship lovers and the lawfuls are silent miners who docks to PObase once something at 14k appears on scanner.
After playing as a Blood Dragon in Kusari, it started bugging me how much I had to travel to even get close to a base where I could dock on. This also made is pretty much impossible to escape whenever lawfuls managed to catch me. At some point I realised Ainu depot was the only base in Kusari House space that was usable by me, and even that base is stupidly far away from any tradelane frequently used by traders, the essence of an unlawful faction which is allowed to pirate.
I think this might be the core problem for Kusari's inactivity. Without quick access to the main appeal of unlawful factions, piracy, there isn't much else to do as a GC or Blood Dragon. Add to that a lack bases to be able to retreat to (the most accessible are Kyoto Base in Chugoku, Ainu in Hokkaido, Ainu Depot in Hokkaido and to some extend Cali Base in Tau 23 and Battleship Matsuda in Okinawa, but they lack a proper system of jumpholes in order to be even remotely accessible and depend on your current presence in Kyushu or Okinawa), and you've got one component lacking of the typical activity generator.
With a lack of pirating unlawfuls, lawfuls will become obsolete, leaving only the traders who pass through Kusari.
I decided to put this list together to show exactly how crippled the unlawful side in Kusari is compared to those of other houses. It shows every base in House Space (excluding Gallia) defined by the server rules.
That's a massive difference, but I'm not done yet.
Out of those 4 bases, only one is usable by 2 Kusari unlawful factions; the Blood Dragons and Golden Chrysanthemums.
Kyoto Base is only reachable from Honshu and Hokkaido (and still is a jump away), while Hokkaido is a pretty much dead system which rarely gets any activity. Chugoku is also connected to Sigma 13, but that's already an entirely new region.
Battleship Matsuda is in a system owned by the GMG. Pirating there as a Golden Chrysanthemum or Blood Dragon has its diplomatic setbacks. If you still choose to pirate there, you can only really go to one tradelane/jumpgate, and the closest jumphole leads to the middle of nowhere in Honshu.
So when you do want to play as a Golden C or Blood Dragon, there's little to nowhere you can go and pirate without having to first travel a near hundred k.
At least the Farmers Alliance have the ability to fly 20-30ish k to the Kyushu gate from their own base, or sit in the capital system while 20k from the Hogosha base. However, they and the Hogosha have two respective official factions, so the activity isn't as horrible as the other unlawfuls.
All in all, the more attractive potential for piracy would probably draw more activity as those two factions, which also would give the lawfuls something to do more regularly.
Too long; didn't read version - Kusari needs considerably more bases usable by unlawfuls, and possibly a more versatile jumphole system. Discuss.
Good idea and all that but it again comes down to the fact that old Kusari was isolationist, see that doesn't work for a house that well because of economical reasons, that coupled with the fact of state-backed criminals pirating down any and all foreign transports is a HUGE set back to the economy.
Samura -no matter how large of a corporation it is- is not sufficient to back the economy of an entire house with it's vessels alone and most of the gas is owned by the GMG, not the state.
Now take all that, and add in that Kusari's military and economy has been crippled completely, so by continuing to out foreign entities their economy won't be stabilizing anytime soon, of course, Gallia -has- forced trade with Kusari so that's a bit of a saving side, but really, isolating the house is a completely wrong move.
It all comes down to the devs caring about that side of sense of course.
(06-14-2013, 04:48 PM)Soul Reaper Wrote: I don't think it was mentioned, so I will.
Good idea and all that but it again comes down to the fact that old Kusari was isolationist, see that doesn't work for a house that well because of economical reasons, that coupled with the fact of state-backed criminals pirating down any and all foreign transports is a HUGE set back to the economy.
Samura -no matter how large of a corporation it is- is not sufficient to back the economy of an entire house with it's vessels alone and most of the gas is owned by the GMG, not the state.
Now take all that, and add in that Kusari's military and economy has been crippled completely, so by continuing to out foreign entities their economy won't be stabilizing anytime soon, of course, Gallia -has- forced trade with Kusari so that's a bit of a saving side, but really, isolating the house is a completely wrong move.
It all comes down to the devs caring about that side of sense of course.
- The isolation is a one way streak. Exports are fine, imports are seen as bad when gaijins deliver them. Especially when you look at what synth foods did to Kusari, that added a whole lot of hate, fear and xenophobia. But if Samura or the hogosha imports something from other houses the people tend to not take heed of it or mind it at all. Kishiro similarly but they are still hated for other reasons.
- I do not think you realize that Samura is roughly 70% of the Kusari economy (perhaps 60% now) and the largest corporation (by lore) in Sirius
- Hokkaido provides enough fuel for the house to be self suffecient in it and independent from the GMG, I will however admit that it wouldn't allow for a lot of wiggle room or exports. And rationing might be necessary in the future unless Samura per the devs 'gets better mining equipment' as thats their inRP reasoning behind the 2.5 mining bonus instead of the 3 that the GMG gets. (ooRPly its the fact that the field is closer to bretonia, in terms of total systems jumped)
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