(06-14-2013, 07:11 PM)Sabre Wrote: I get what you mean Reaper. Kusari suffers because they are doing the "jack of all trades, but master of none" route. sure they can do all these things but not to the same level as the more 'specialized' companies and corporations in the other houses.
in simpler terms, kusari economy is "good at everything, great at nothing". which actually makes it weaker, when compared to other houses. its a house of cards. if samura and/or kishiro go 'pop', kusari economy is screwed
This doesn't need to be true at all, and probably it isn't. Let me explain why.
Samura and Kishiro are not the large, singular companies we're typically used to in Western economies . If you were to take the distinction between a classic government and a company, then imagine the Keiretsu somewhere between both. They are not single companies. In fact, they are many different companies organised around what you could call a private central bank. Take some big companies you know and imagine them working under one name while each company retains considerable autonomy. They're corporate alliances.
You could say that they organise the rules and regulations to which an the members of the economy must adhere, much like a government does. It's just that you have different competing sets of rules. There will still be fierce competition and specialisation. They are not so much set in stone as a Western multinational is. It's very much possible for a company to leave one of the conglomerates and join another. It's just that we're not shown this in Freelancer.
One difference is that conglomerates don't go broke. Either their members go broke individually, or the conglomerate breaks up, members leave, others join, and so on. Any conglomerate that wants to go to war, would have a very difficult time convincing the member companies to go to war, unless it would really be financially beneficial, because members could just leave when things go sour. As a result you won't see militairy campaigns but a tug of war between conglomerates attempting to convince companies to join them rather than the other.
It's a very different way of organizing the economy, and a very interesting one in terms of mechanics, because it's nothing like what we're used to.
I hope this clarifies what to expect from Kusari and what not.
That might be argued as the case for the much younger Kishiro name. Samura, on the other hand, is a family name that seized the Kusari throne in a coup centuries ago and took control of the market industries in a very fascist kinda way. Samura was a representation of a full marriage of state and corporation through conquest by a single family. Now Samura only has it's economic holdings atm and I bet would be coming back for it's state.
(06-14-2013, 08:17 PM)ProwlerPC Wrote: I'm thilled to read the variations a civil war can break out. I'm in complete support of the civil war idea. I was glad that the devs kept the Emporer alive but I'd be fuming if they felt that the coup is over while Kogen is still alive. I am in the belief that he'd return to Kusari quite upset and begin waving his banner around with many flocking to it. Whoever was saying Samura isn't much of a shipbuilder is dead wrong. Samura has been Kusari's primary shipbuilder for centuries, it's Kishiro that has only recently stepped into this industry and with pretty decent success I might add but I'm of the belief that a Samura back Kogen can out produce a Kishiro led Kusari in warships. We've pushed the Emporer and Samura a lot over the decades while they sat on the throne with other matters of state bogging them down. Now the Emporer and Samura are free to make war to reclaim what they believe is theirs which should mean troubling times for Kishiro and GMG (and I'd argue, ushering in the end of GMG's golden age).
The other interesting thing about a civil war in Kusari is that it won't just be between Kishiro vs. Samura institutions (KNF, Exiles etc.), but there could possibly be a third side as well. As I remember from vanilla infocards, I believe the GC were actually very large in numbers and had even more supporters (mostly among women). They just didn't have good equipment and weren't very good fighters unlike the Blood Dragons (who, in turn, were very few though very effective). I believe if a civil war did start between Samura and Kishiro controlled factions, the GC could take advantage of the situation and possibly invade and capture (or partially capture) an entire planet from which GC/BD will launch their attacks from. They would possibly be able to do this as the KNF would be busy defending Kusari from the rebuilt exile forces (some KNF forces might even defect to the exiles).
There could also be a limited intervention by Gallia in support of the Kishiro controlled Democratic Republic/KNF.
Basically, this kind of situation would be unique to Sirius. Even the Gallic Civil war only has two sides, a Kusari one could potentially create three sides in a civil war. So even if one faction wasn't active, the other two still could be.
(06-15-2013, 06:56 PM)ProwlerPC Wrote: That might be argued as the case for the much younger Kishiro name. Samura, on the other hand, is a family name that seized the Kusari throne in a coup centuries ago and took control of the market industries in a very fascist kinda way. Samura was a representation of a full marriage of state and corporation through conquest by a single family. Now Samura only has it's economic holdings atm and I bet would be coming back for it's state.
I guess it's possible, but I wonder how effective they would be. Remember that Samura would have to be strong enough to overthrow both Kishiro and the government militairy. Though now that Kusari's militairy is mostly destroyed by Gallia, the latter doesn't seem so difficult. Waging outright war is still costly though, and Samura would have to weaken Kishiro first ... which is pretty much the entire plot point between both factions already.
I guess one way to handle it would be Samura and Kishiro both racing to rebuild the Kusari navy after the war with Gallia, then attempt to use this as leverage for state power. Samura could even team up with Gallia, pushing Kishiro to find other allies?
So many possibilities. Interesting. I can see it happen now. Hmm.
(06-15-2013, 07:42 PM)Stolt. Wrote: There could also be a limited intervention by Gallia in support of the Kishiro controlled Democratic Republic/KNF.
I don't see this happen as a democratic republic is anathema to the Gallic monarchy.
(06-15-2013, 07:42 PM)Stolt. Wrote: Basically, this kind of situation would be unique to Sirius. Even the Gallic Civil war only has two sides, a Kusari one could potentially create three sides in a civil war. So even if one faction wasn't active, the other two still could be.
I'm still hoping for a massive civil war between Gallia's two sides, with the northern and southern states locked in a stalemate and both having to look for other allies, involving the neighbouring powers.
(06-14-2013, 08:17 PM)ProwlerPC Wrote: I'm thilled to read the variations a civil war can break out. I'm in complete support of the civil war idea. I was glad that the devs kept the Emporer alive but I'd be fuming if they felt that the coup is over while Kogen is still alive. I am in the belief that he'd return to Kusari quite upset and begin waving his banner around with many flocking to it. Whoever was saying Samura isn't much of a shipbuilder is dead wrong. Samura has been Kusari's primary shipbuilder for centuries, it's Kishiro that has only recently stepped into this industry and with pretty decent success I might add but I'm of the belief that a Samura back Kogen can out produce a Kishiro led Kusari in warships. We've pushed the Emporer and Samura a lot over the decades while they sat on the throne with other matters of state bogging them down. Now the Emporer and Samura are free to make war to reclaim what they believe is theirs which should mean troubling times for Kishiro and GMG (and I'd argue, ushering in the end of GMG's golden age).
The other interesting thing about a civil war in Kusari is that it won't just be between Kishiro vs. Samura institutions (KNF, Exiles etc.), but there could possibly be a third side as well. As I remember from vanilla infocards, I believe the GC were actually very large in numbers and had even more supporters (mostly among women). They just didn't have good equipment and weren't very good fighters unlike the Blood Dragons (who, in turn, were very few though very effective). I believe if a civil war did start between Samura and Kishiro controlled factions, the GC could take advantage of the situation and possibly invade and capture (or partially capture) an entire planet from which GC/BD will launch their attacks from. They would possibly be able to do this as the KNF would be busy defending Kusari from the rebuilt exile forces (some KNF forces might even defect to the exiles).
There could also be a limited intervention by Gallia in support of the Kishiro controlled Democratic Republic/KNF.
Basically, this kind of situation would be unique to Sirius. Even the Gallic Civil war only has two sides, a Kusari one could potentially create three sides in a civil war. So even if one faction wasn't active, the other two still could be.
THis is unfortunately not accurate anymore. The GC have according to some lore and devs only reduced in sized and have slowed growth now due to the effects of cardamine and the equal rights kishiro gave out. Meaning the GC are now very much reliant on getting people addicted on cardamine to grow their ranks. The AFA are probably the biggest Pirate group in Kusari in terms of numbers but lack a cap line (but imo it wouldn't make much sense for them to get one anyway. Bit too high tech for farmers) then the BD and then the GC. I am not sure where to place the hogosha if they were to become a pirate group again.
We need a completely rogue system like Kyushu for imperial forces if we're going to civil war. I had some thoughts about the even more extreme Kusari rework.
What if Kusari will, in fact, fall apart with all the fights for throne in Tokyo (Edo, let's rename the planet) and will be represented as a bunch of feodal-like provinces led by different government. Edo will be the central province and will be considered a ruling one. The man who sits on Edo throne is a ruler of Kusari. But there will be 2 systems with loose affiliation for the Edo. Like Kyushu and Honshu being overtaken by the Blood Dragons (Kyushu's feudal has sympathies for the blood dragons and let them poke around as he see fits and oppose the Edo) and KIshiro-GMG (Honshu, there will be no feudal but the little republic run by the resistance with GMG and Kishiro in charge). Kogen will be taking the Throne but that will cost a lot for both sides that's why KNF will no longer be able to glue the Kusari systems together into one solid Empire.
This will require to create more IDs for Kyushu's police and KNF and for Honshu's police and KNF but in the end I think this might be really exciting and the change will be using the old systems that are close to each other which is also very ok.
As for cardimine - I'd like to agree that Kusari need more smuggling routes coming through it. Bah, to be honest the smuggling as it is requires some serious buff since now it can't make up to the mining\legal trading profits while it must outprofit both. Mining is a way too damn good so there is no way people will do trading if they simply wants to rise some bucks. Nerf mining, buff Trading.
Kyushu is entirely samura run (Tsushima depot, planet kyushu even the research base has Samurans working on it. Then you have the FA base and the Tau 42 hole leading to the Guard System of The FA) and very much conservative and pro emperor, pro farmer. So no that wont be turned into a BD monarchy ruled system.
What you say about honshu is doable. I imagine that the storage depot could turn into a fortress for Samura / emperor forces however.
While it's doable for sure, I can agree on that, but territorial-wise it's better concept. Fixing something is not equal to evolving something. RP have some dead ends which need to be fixed. I think in order to create new RP and new gameplay environment some parts of old RP can be sacrificed in some bloody ceremony if it's for the best of all house.
I chosen Kyushu and Honshu because they are on the different ends of the Kusari and also are frequent used systems for traffic. So those two with Edo-Province + Shikoku + Hokkaido in the middle would make more sense then placing sides of the conflict on the distant ends of the house where no one would care about them at all.
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