Okay, following an oorp / ooc // off the wall insane declaration of taking kappa under AI control and restricting "ZA" from entering it - raises an eye brow.
On one hand, they cant restrict zoners from docking on those planets, but on the other hand the ZA is obliged to follow the RP events -
So how do you folks think they should act, should they ignore this and ruin the RP and still dock, or should they follow the RP presented and avoid docking on those planets, and in term close the Kappa hole ( much like what taz did with registration forms only ) - Granted that the Theta hole will still be open and granted that other factions can simply post a request - even though it renders the ones that do not use the forums to get shot ( or un-informed that is ).
Edit 2 : Avoid the off-topic stuff, if you can't express your opinion about this honestly then avoid commenting.
(07-19-2013, 10:25 AM)Tel-Aviv Wrote: declaration of taking kappa under AI control and restricting "ZA" from entering it
So AI wana build PoB near JH and use it a "border guard", which gona shoot everyone, who not inlisted? Why then, not just make it hostile to [ZA] only?
And about RP, well, your ship, lets say corvo, landed on AI controled planet.
So...imagine, how many battle robots going to wait for your corvo's touchdown.
And imgagine, which robots gona be there. Your luck, if there going to be something like B1 battledroids, from SW. So, your choice is to sit into your ship, not letting anyone to come clouser, or open doors, and try your luck. In case of first choice, why then you landed, if you going to sit on your ship, which gona be parked. And note, that, if your corvo can fly in planet's low atmosphere, AI's ships also can... And it's very possible, that you will see two cruisers, floating over your ship.
Well, in any way, inRP you landed your ship on hostile controlled planet, you may considiret it lost.
OORP, ofcrs, noone restricks you, you ain't breaking any rules, in general. BUT, without RP, Disco is just STUUUUUUUUUUPID space PEWPEWPEWPEWPEW and without RP it SUX like.....I dunno...Like aircraft's turbojet engines sux air.
No, they just take control on the system, - ZA has border stations, and there is no "blacklist" option in pobs, either targets everyone or no one. ( depending on rep and id obviously )
Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought that the planets of Kappa have a "Zoner base" label simply because there is no AI or Monkey tag and they don't have to do anything with the Zoners. I always treated them as such with my character. I'm not even sure if they have inRP Zoner inhabitants. So I think calling them as "Zoner bases" is attributable to the limited game mechanism. Also, I always wondered why don't they belong to the Freelancer faction.
As far as I recall their backstory (vanilla backstory that is) basically was that zoners were once considering settling at them but have abandoned the planets due to high radiation and nomad attacks in the system. It ended up being easter egg system with a reference to planet of apes. One idea might be just giving them plain 'neutral' reputation for time being until whole thing about AI settles down and may switch when they'll have their own NPC tag.
Robots and Apes are easter eggs left by the DA for the original game players. The system must belong to no one from my POV. The best way is to make one planet zoner or corsair and make another one inhabitable. The AI ID with Freelancer tag (or w\o any tag) is not allowing to aggressively engage anyone I believe so if they will try to play a space police in that system they are kinda open for a sanction violation report. Many factions had to make a tonn of RP before being able to get at least an altered a bit ID w\o any hopes on having any control on geopolitical situation at any part of the space.
So I see it as another massive powergame made by another faction. I hope (hardly) that admins will do something to stop it (ZA side included) but there is no signs for it happening.
Not a powergame (Tell Aviv, can we talk over skype with this)? Clearly nobody reads any one else's Rp.
If you read the AI lore the Consensus has been around for centuries, just buried under the Gammu ice crust due to resource starvation (it's long and complicated so just read it rather than picking holes in it here). We already have mining probes dotted all over the surface of Primus.
Again, the Consensus is not claiming Primus (yet), as we have no reason to. All we're doing with Kappa is claiming the system to protect it's inhabitants (InRp) and secure additional resources for the Consensus. This is not a militaristic annexation and the only hostilities will come from the jarheads who persist in making Oorp strafing runs on Consensus vessels, on the somewhat Hollywoodesque grounds that; "OMG alien robots, they must be evil".
AI doesn't aggressively engage anyone, in accordance to both our Rp and our ID (which you clearly haven't read yet times two). Thus any sweeping statements to the contrary are based off what?
If the admins do something to stop simple roleplay developments expected since the faction's initiation then by all means go right ahead. I'm sick of people claiming that the Consensus has no Rp lineage because, again, you're clearly not reading.
I beg those who are firmly anti-AI (oorp wise) to go to Kappa, any time it suits them and have a roleplay encounter with us. Reserve judgment till then.
Regardless of what you do, the only way you can change Consensus policy (as with any other faction) is to have protracted ingame roleplays over whatever detail irritates you over Rp's that others have slaved to create. TBF appears to have become popular ever since Omicron 74 started and it's not the answer. Ever. This is an RP server (times two).
Apologies moderators for the aggressive undertone, this is just too much for me to deal with in 24 hours.
Scarlet, PM me with your skype please, so we can talk this out in a none-b*tchfesty, none-argumentative environment. I'm happy to listen to whatever points you have to make there.
However, another suggestion is using the AI feedback thread all? If you dislike/like the Primus colonisation, then tell us there. All TBF does is encourage Oorp ganksquad generation, and really Disco doesn't need that.
Admins, if this thread becomes lockable at any point, please do it.
At one point in time - before the ID got screwed up - there was an official AI faction. (NOT the Harvesters.) That AI faction started on Gammu, and claimed that planet for themselves since it was physically impossible for humans to live on the planet anyway. Yes, the Zoners had 'claimed' the planet - but they had found out that there were high levels of radiation and they couldn't live there after they set up a landing base and spaceport.
[Edit: and there was RP with the Zoner factions transferring ownership of Gammu from the Zoners to the AI's. This happened before the ZA ever existed, so it's considered history and established now. Not a powergame - established lore. End Edit.]
Sort of like if you claimed some land for your own, built your house there, and then found out there's a uranium mine underground - as in RIGHT underground. You can come visit - for about 10 minutes a year - but if you live there for two weeks in a row, you're perma dead.
Primus has something similar going with it - there's something in the air that in short doses (or if you ALWAYS use canned air) you're fine. You get more than about 5 minutes of unregulated air - and you're perma dead. The monkeys are genetically immune to it - they evolved from the survivors.
It's also a case of the Zoners claimed the planets - and then found out that there are inhabitants already there. And those inhabitants are already sentient and well capable of defending themselves, just not interested in space flight - or they weren't until the Zoners showed up. Now ... well, that's what trade agreements are all about. The Zoners provided the AI's with some info on building ships, and the AI's provided the Zoners with some raw materials that they couldn't get handily from elsewhere. Ditto with the monkeys. The monkeys haven't really wanted to leave their planet much, the AI's ... yeah, they're exploring now.
Note that this is the lore of the mod - the two planets were originally put in as easter eggs, since there was no place else to GO past here in the unmodded Freelancer.
So it would be fully within their RP if the AI's decided to blockade 'their' system. The Zoners have claim to the planet only because they were the first humans to find them - not because they actually 'own' them. And as long as the AI's don't act like Harvesters, who cares? That's part of RP and diplomacy anyway.
(11-21-2013, 12:53 PM)Jihadjoe Wrote: Oh god... The end of days... Agmen agreed with me.
AI wants to be a peaceful faction FYI. We've never started any of our wars, they just result as byproducts of our trading operations within varying systems. The same for Omicron 74, the same for Sigma 13. Besides, it's all fun anyway.
Thing is, we don't even want a military blockade, just to acknowledge all the Rp which has lead up to this current point. We wouldn't do this unless we we felt 100% ready for the resulting repercussions. Zoners, Corsairs (who have a bigger reason to complain than the Zoners do), and the other Omicron groups are still welcome here with no changes in their previous operations and attitudes. We're hardly trying to craft a guard system here.
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