Dear "Admin"

[Sabru]

More diverse then it used to be, but The Order's "role" in a zoner life is meaningless and pointless, perhaps at times where zoners were weak and unable to defend itself, such times have changed. I see more reason for zoners to engage with the GMG, and not because the damn ID says so. Infact the true error the devs made is to actually put an ally on the damn card, last time I checked, zoners dont have allies apart from themselves, all others can be "friendly" at best - and If it had allies, it wouldn't pick a small "terrorist-recognized" group, however - from what I know, the order's role was to protect the zoners in the outskirts of the omicrons, such protection isn't required anymore - considering so many zoner factions and players. The only thing I can think of is a somewhat "clean" access to nomad related stuff for research, but such a thing is easier to do without their knowledge.
Anyways, I'm not picking on the order at the moment, I'm only saying - Theres no holy bond between these groups and I think people should start realizing it. Anyone that tells you zoners are allied with someone you can consider it a rumor at best.

Tel, please just stop posting your verbal Diarrhea for the love of (insert deity here).
no one is interested in how you think things should be.

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[Black Widow]

More diverse then it used to be, but The Order's "role" in a zoner life is meaningless and pointless, perhaps at times where zoners were weak and unable to defend itself, such times have changed. I see more reason for zoners to engage with the GMG, and not because the damn ID says so. Infact the true error the devs made is to actually put an ally on the damn card, last time I checked, zoners dont have allies apart from themselves, all others can be "friendly" at best - and If it had allies, it wouldn't pick a small "terrorist-recognized" group, however - from what I know, the order's role was to protect the zoners in the outskirts of the omicrons, such protection isn't required anymore - considering so many zoner factions and players. The only thing I can think of is a somewhat "clean" access to nomad related stuff for research, but such a thing is easier to do without their knowledge.
Anyways, I'm not picking on the order at the moment, I'm only saying - Theres no holy bond between these groups and I think people should start realizing it. Anyone that tells you zoners are allied with someone you can consider it a rumor at best.

Tel, please just stop posting your verbal Diarrhea for the love of (insert deity here).
no one is interested in how you think things should be.

Those are some harsh words right there, not agreeing or disagreeing just profanity is not nice

[Kazinsal]

why dosent the admins use German laws to hammer down on the hackers. MUHAHAHAHAHHA

Joke answer: The hackers are in Eastern Europe, and remember what happened the last couple times Germany walked into Eastern Europe?

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Retired, permanently.

[Ajmar]

why dosent the admins use German laws to hammer down on the hackers. MUHAHAHAHAHHA

Joke answer: The hackers are in Eastern Europe, and remember what happened the last couple times Germany walked into Eastern Europe?

Donald Duck aired this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDAXHM5LB...1377134858

[HarryHicks]

why dosent the admins use German laws to hammer down on the hackers. MUHAHAHAHAHHA

Joke answer: The hackers are in Eastern Europe, and remember what happened the last couple times Germany walked into Eastern Europe?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPyiZI_WrXw

I'd tell you his name and address but I've come to discover he's quite cute.

Also North Korean proxy is best proxy.

[Sabru]

More diverse then it used to be, but The Order's "role" in a zoner life is meaningless and pointless, perhaps at times where zoners were weak and unable to defend itself, such times have changed. I see more reason for zoners to engage with the GMG, and not because the damn ID says so. Infact the true error the devs made is to actually put an ally on the damn card, last time I checked, zoners dont have allies apart from themselves, all others can be "friendly" at best - and If it had allies, it wouldn't pick a small "terrorist-recognized" group, however - from what I know, the order's role was to protect the zoners in the outskirts of the omicrons, such protection isn't required anymore - considering so many zoner factions and players. The only thing I can think of is a somewhat "clean" access to nomad related stuff for research, but such a thing is easier to do without their knowledge.
Anyways, I'm not picking on the order at the moment, I'm only saying - Theres no holy bond between these groups and I think people should start realizing it. Anyone that tells you zoners are allied with someone you can consider it a rumor at best.

Tel, please just stop posting your verbal Diarrhea for the love of (insert deity here).
no one is interested in how you think things should be.

Those are some harsh words right there, not agreeing or disagreeing just profanity is not nice

please tell me, which of the words i used are profane?

if i was going to use profanity, you'd see the '***' of the swear filter.

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[Black Widow]

More diverse then it used to be, but The Order's "role" in a zoner life is meaningless and pointless, perhaps at times where zoners were weak and unable to defend itself, such times have changed. I see more reason for zoners to engage with the GMG, and not because the damn ID says so. Infact the true error the devs made is to actually put an ally on the damn card, last time I checked, zoners dont have allies apart from themselves, all others can be "friendly" at best - and If it had allies, it wouldn't pick a small "terrorist-recognized" group, however - from what I know, the order's role was to protect the zoners in the outskirts of the omicrons, such protection isn't required anymore - considering so many zoner factions and players. The only thing I can think of is a somewhat "clean" access to nomad related stuff for research, but such a thing is easier to do without their knowledge.
Anyways, I'm not picking on the order at the moment, I'm only saying - Theres no holy bond between these groups and I think people should start realizing it. Anyone that tells you zoners are allied with someone you can consider it a rumor at best.

Tel, please just stop posting your verbal Diarrhea for the love of (insert deity here).
no one is interested in how you think things should be.

Those are some harsh words right there, not agreeing or disagreeing just profanity is not nice

please tell me, which of the words i used are profane?

if i was going to use profanity, you'd see the '***' of the swear filter.

Things like Verbal Diarrhea, its not profane in the cursing sense but its very graphic well to me anyway

[Hell Hunter]

That metaphor isn't really graphic in it's usage, but it's well put.
Quite charming that, especially if it's coming from you, saying about it.

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[Thyrzul]

The one who leads an official factions dedicated to something which it doesn't do, unless ofcourse you use the random pvp raids and encounters as an excuse.

Pretty much reminds me of ZA. Every word of it.

the za did not shoot any zoners at all until you came along

Blaming others for your own mistakes? At least you could be a bit more credible. I'm sure as hell The Order has been around for way longer than ZA ever were. It's rather like you guys came along, did things bigger boys didn't like and didn't hide it from them, got slapped on the wrist, got cocky more than should have and hell ensued.

It is funny how you want to dictate the RP of The Order when you barely got any relation to them.

To everyone:
Fact is in relation to POB's, no POBs no players everybody wants to build their base and be happy. Bases breed activity and activity breeds further activity (pirates, base siegers etcetc)

Fact is something everybody agrees to. I used to like bases. Now I don't. What you said is not a fact, but your own opinion, which couldn't be less accurate.

That is not how discovery works...

No, just don't. Don't try to educate us about how Disco works. You can be sure you won't be the one the community will listen to in regards of such topics.

If POBs are removed I can tell you quite confidently now that discovery will loose half it's player base effectively tomb stoning this mod. People have put in too much work for them to let that slide.

The community has been living/dying before (without) the PoBs, it will do so after the PoBs too.

from what I know, the order's role was to protect the zoners in the outskirts of the omicrons, such protection isn't required anymore - considering so many zoner factions and players.

Again, in-game representation... seriously, if that would determine the inRP strenghts of each faction compared to the others, Kusari would have already died out, Rheinland won the war and Gallia would have been pushed back already. No, just because there are many players chosing zoners as their faction won't mean zoners will go uberstrong. Somehow I feel it's only you who haven't realized this yet.

The only thing I can think of is a somewhat "clean" access to nomad related stuff for research, but such a thing is easier to do without their knowledge.

So that's what you want, right? Zoners, like the other two big boys out in the Omicrons, the Zoners should put their minds into Nomad research, right? You want a faction with the perks of zoners to have it's share in nomad research, without the drawbacks of the other factions.

Actually you can do that, keeping your secret to yourself, but then don't try to flex your muscles like you could compete with The Order. Zoners don't compete with The Order.

Anyways, PoBs should remain away from the server in their current form.

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[Black Widow]

The only thing I can think of is a somewhat "clean" access to nomad related stuff for research, but such a thing is easier to do without their knowledge.

So that's what you want, right? Zoners, like the other two big boys out in the Omicrons, the Zoners should put their minds into Nomad research, right? You want a faction with the perks of zoners to have it's share in nomad research, without the drawbacks of the other factions.

Actually you can do that, keeping your secret to yourself, but then don't try to flex your muscles like you could compete with The Order. Zoners don't compete with The Order.

Anyways, PoBs should remain away from the server in their current form.

Where did you get that quote from ? I never said that in any thread @ 10:39pm, what I actually said was this:

Im discovery's anchorman so hush

No you are not.

But keep the POB` s away untill all problems are solved, and Black Widow shuss

you dont talk on behalf of Disco players

Yes I am / can.....

Im discovery's anchorman so hush

From me to you--

Fall out of a tall building.

Make me?....

On behalf of the whole of discovery, Can I please ask for a time frame as to when Player Bases will be reinstated / when will the rollback occur?

On behalf of the whole of discovery...

No.

Just don't.

When we want you to be a spokesperson for the whole community, we will ask you, but that is yet to happen. Not sure if ever will...

About bases: Either they get a massive rebalance, the rules are getting updated or they stay off the server until either of the other two options happen. I'd prefer the first. Or the third.

Im discovery's anchorman so hush

As Discovery's Official Grumpy Old Man, I can state uncategorically and without denial that you're not speaking on behalf of me, or of the faction that I lead, and from what I can gather, you're also not speaking on behalf of the other faction that I belong to.

So in other words, since you were complaining in Flood about being butt hurt because you weren't chosen as an admin, this is a pretty good example of why there was probably a good laugh on skype when your name came up. (That's my supposition, based upon my time as an admin, and is not rooted in any conspiracy theory that I'm aware of at this time. That, and it's still Zelot's fault.)

As for PoB's - hey, they were an experiment. There are both good features to them and bad features to them. The sheer fact that a PoB can end up effectively locking access to a system when the Dev team itself doesn't put anything strong enough to do so out there - even in the Gallic systems with battleships sitting right on the jump gates, you still have a chance to get passed them - shows that they're overpowered and being abused.

And of course, since we've also seen the flip side of this, where massive player fleets show up to kill the base - regardless of role play - simply because they can (and because they're a--holes with nothing better to do) shows that the negatives outweigh the positives.

There ARE positives - don't get me wrong. Players work together to put up bases in the first place. And there can be and has been role-play generated by SOME of the PoB's. (As an example of good RP generated, the OZ guys that built their base in Zeta. Away from the Jump Hole, near a planet, and said that they were allied with the Order, so they were Core enemies. Cool, we went out to assault the base every so often, we'd get some pew, they'd get some pew, and there was forum RP between CHARACTERS that was vehement and bloodthirsty - good times.)

But on the whole, the negatives - including the minor (!) detail that people were cheating using bases - to me indicates that they need to go away or be nerfed in such a fashion that they cannot be abused like they have been. And quite frankly, I don't care how long it takes - or if they ever come back - and I'm speaking on behalf of myself and as the official position of my faction (which means, again, you ain't speaking for the whole of discovery).

To be honest Agmen I couldn't give a toss about you, your factions, your opinion of me or anyone else's for that matter. Have a laugh if you want its water off my back!!!

To everyone:
Fact is in relation to POB's, no POBs no players everybody wants to build their base and be happy. Bases breed activity and activity breeds further activity (pirates, base siegers etcetc)

You cannot now PoBs have been introduced to the game even though they are temporarily disabled turn around and say well since they disabled we shouldn't bring them back, NO. That is not how discovery works just because a few bird brains don't like them does not mean to try and use this as an excuse to get rid of them all together.

People have invested too much time into PoBs for them to be taken away just like that, also that is not how a Successful Freelancer Mod should function you don't undo features that have been added for people's fun that's just going backwards.

If POBs are removed I can tell you quite confidently now that discovery will loose half it's player base effectively tomb stoning this mod. People have put in too much work for them to let that slide.

Don't like my words well tough cookie cos its true, don't like me awww well have another cookie

Why are you falsifying my quotes to back up your petty arguement?